(01-23-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote: I'll actively work against any politician that supports amnesty. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded period.
Does that make a three month old a criminal for what their parents did by bringing them to cross the border? We can't blame the kids for the sins of their parents.
I could see a possible compromise allowing a path to citizenship for this type of person..but..their parents? No.
Esto^^^
Their parents should just be glad that they're not being sent back and I'm sure that they will forgo naturalization for the privilege of remaining in their new country. A Green Card guarantees every right except voting and that should be enough. No free full amnesty for anyone.
I had voiced a path to citizenship through military service and people were telling me that they shouldn't be forced into the military but what they don't understand is that NO ONE would be forced like I wasn't forced. If the service was good enough for me (and many others) it can be good for them if they want to vote. But, don't get me wrong, I feel that once they join they'll feel a great sense of really belonging to this country and contributing.
(01-23-2018 06:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote: That doesn't address the claim they are working as police and firefighters, just that Dreamers with specific talents are allowed to serve in the military. Do you have anything that shows Dreamers are serving on police and/or fire departments? As I stated, I personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements from peer public safety agencies and none of them would have allowed the employment of Dreamers.
I just googled dreamers I the military, thought that was proof enough...
If you google dreamers and firefighters a bunch of stuff shows up. Same for doctors, emergency responders etc
The subject of that article is a volunteer with the Grant County Fire District #8, not an employee. He should be prosecuted for lying on a government form because the application reads like this:
Quote:I authorize investigation of all statements in this application. I understand that misrepresentation or omissions of facts
called for is cause for dismissal. Further, I understand and agree that my acceptance is dependent upon the successful
completion of a physical examination by the Fire District doctor and may be dependent upon the successful completion
of a physical agility test, and/or a written aptitude test.
Additionally, I certify that I am a citizen of the United States of America.
He would have been terminated by my agency and we would have referred the case to the solicitor for prosecution. We had zero tolerance for lying.
My point was that DACA people, are different as they were allowed to work legally. Apparently they can work as firefighters and/or first responders depending on The state. But again that is not my point, the fact they are doctors, military, etc makes the same point for my argument.
Police officers for the most part have to be citizens but there are exceptions depending on the state as well
And my point is your glorious example lied on his application, which in itself is a violation of the law. Now he's twice a criminal, not to mention the fact that he's no longer trustworthy because he's shown he's perfectly fine with lying as long as it benefits him.
Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
(01-23-2018 09:29 AM)IAH Wrote: I keep reading everywhere that most Americans and apparently 64% of republicans agree that we need to giver “dreamers” a path way to citizenship. So why is there a debate over DACA??
Seems like a big waste of time!
No. Not a path to citizenship outright but a path to staying in the US. firstly. There has to be at least a time element/service before they are eligible for citizenship. Sure, it wasn't their fault for them being here but their parents but let's not reward illegalities and punish the ones coming in the right way. This is something the Demons don't care about all they want are INSTANT VOTERS.
Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, that if there is no Wall, there is no DACA. We must have safety and security, together with a strong Military, for our great people!
The subject of that article is a volunteer with the Grant County Fire District #8, not an employee. He should be prosecuted for lying on a government form because the application reads like this:
Quote:I authorize investigation of all statements in this application. I understand that misrepresentation or omissions of facts
called for is cause for dismissal. Further, I understand and agree that my acceptance is dependent upon the successful
completion of a physical examination by the Fire District doctor and may be dependent upon the successful completion
of a physical agility test, and/or a written aptitude test.
Additionally, I certify that I am a citizen of the United States of America.
He would have been terminated by my agency and we would have referred the case to the solicitor for prosecution. We had zero tolerance for lying.
My point was that DACA people, are different as they were allowed to work legally. Apparently they can work as firefighters and/or first responders depending on The state. But again that is not my point, the fact they are doctors, military, etc makes the same point for my argument.
Police officers for the most part have to be citizens but there are exceptions depending on the state as well
And my point is your glorious example lied on his application, which in itself is a violation of the law. Now he's twice a criminal, not to mention the fact that he's no longer trustworthy because he's shown he's perfectly fine with lying as long as it benefits him.
Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
(01-23-2018 06:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote: The subject of that article is a volunteer with the Grant County Fire District #8, not an employee. He should be prosecuted for lying on a government form because the application reads like this:
He would have been terminated by my agency and we would have referred the case to the solicitor for prosecution. We had zero tolerance for lying.
My point was that DACA people, are different as they were allowed to work legally. Apparently they can work as firefighters and/or first responders depending on The state. But again that is not my point, the fact they are doctors, military, etc makes the same point for my argument.
Police officers for the most part have to be citizens but there are exceptions depending on the state as well
And my point is your glorious example lied on his application, which in itself is a violation of the law. Now he's twice a criminal, not to mention the fact that he's no longer trustworthy because he's shown he's perfectly fine with lying as long as it benefits him.
Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
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(01-23-2018 11:16 PM)shere khan Wrote: Trump back at it
Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, that if there is no Wall, there is no DACA. We must have safety and security, together with a strong Military, for our great people!
Exactly. He knows he (and every Demon) that they can't go with the same old story about DACA and close the government again. They know they have to compromise. Even the posters here that are Cons realize and admit that we can have them staying for a price, as nothing is free. The points some of us have brought forth are doable and are concessional (is that a word?). We can't give DACAn's a free ride.
(01-23-2018 06:41 PM)IAH Wrote: My point was that DACA people, are different as they were allowed to work legally. Apparently they can work as firefighters and/or first responders depending on The state. But again that is not my point, the fact they are doctors, military, etc makes the same point for my argument.
Police officers for the most part have to be citizens but there are exceptions depending on the state as well
And my point is your glorious example lied on his application, which in itself is a violation of the law. Now he's twice a criminal, not to mention the fact that he's no longer trustworthy because he's shown he's perfectly fine with lying as long as it benefits him.
Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
(01-23-2018 11:16 PM)shere khan Wrote: Trump back at it
Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, that if there is no Wall, there is no DACA. We must have safety and security, together with a strong Military, for our great people!
(01-23-2018 11:16 PM)shere khan Wrote: Trump back at it
Cryin’ Chuck Schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, that if there is no Wall, there is no DACA. We must have safety and security, together with a strong Military, for our great people!
Exactly. He knows he (and every Demon) that they can't go with the same old story about DACA and close the government again. They know they have to compromise. Even the posters here that are Cons realize and admit that we can have them staying for a price, as nothing is free. The points some of us have brought forth are doable and are concessional (is that a word?). We can't give DACAn's a free ride.
DJT has 'em by the balls.....always did.....
now they're trying to figure out how to save face.....
it was too predicable once the RINOs allowed the tax bill to pass.....
the dippos aren't on their heels.....they have strawberries on both ass cheeks getting skull drug after being lassoed.....
those fk'n idiots.....it's a laugh a fk'n minute.....
(01-23-2018 07:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote: And my point is your glorious example lied on his application, which in itself is a violation of the law. Now he's twice a criminal, not to mention the fact that he's no longer trustworthy because he's shown he's perfectly fine with lying as long as it benefits him.
Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
(01-23-2018 11:10 PM)IAH Wrote: Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
(01-23-2018 11:10 PM)IAH Wrote: Glorious example? I did a search for Daca firefighter and that was the first result, there are several other examples. Next time I will better prepare my defense so it’s approved in your court.
Again that changes nothing about the point I was making. Good job nit picking my comment in an attempt to win an argument rather than talk about the issue. You should consider running for Congress.
Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
(01-23-2018 11:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote: Next time I suggest vetting your examples so you don't have the embarrassment you experienced in this thread.
But I'll repeat...I have personally reviewed hundreds of job requirements and every single one of them required either citizenship or a valid work permit. And they should as any profession in the public safety field requires good moral character and anyone who is an illegal alien lacks it by status alone.
Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
In Tamaulipas. His home country. They need the help. It's a shitehole there.
He wouldn't, however, have a job with us.
If that is the way you feel, that is fine.
But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.
Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.
“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”
(01-23-2018 11:25 PM)IAH Wrote: Yes I am very embarrassed.
DACA recipientes had a valid working permit, which was my point in the first place....
Sure you sound like a sane enough person to decide who has good moral character and who does not.
Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
In Tamaulipas. His home country. They need the help. It's a shitehole there.
He wouldn't, however, have a job with us.
If that is the way you feel, that is fine.
But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.
Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.
“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”
They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.
(01-23-2018 11:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote: Considering the fact that I was on the hiring committee for my agency, sat on hiring boards for other departments and have even been asked to sit on administrative hiring boards after retiring I'd say my judgment is well respected. Probably because I make rational decisions not based on emotion and I don't BS about anything.
Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
In Tamaulipas. His home country. They need the help. It's a shitehole there.
He wouldn't, however, have a job with us.
If that is the way you feel, that is fine.
But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.
Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.
“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”
They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.
These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?
I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.
(01-23-2018 11:38 PM)IAH Wrote: Good job patting your self in the back. But how can you think you know the moral character of 800k people just based on the fact their parents brought them here when they were kids? So not only you were on your agency’s hiring committee but apparently you also have superpowers.
Does this guy have good moral character in your opinion?
In Tamaulipas. His home country. They need the help. It's a shitehole there.
He wouldn't, however, have a job with us.
If that is the way you feel, that is fine.
But he did meet your criteria of good moral character and a working permit.
Paul Ryan does not to seem to agree with you. Trump has made similar statements, which was part of my point. One of many which you missed.
“At the heart of this issue are young people who came to this country through no fault of their own, and for many of them it’s the only country they know. Their status is one of many immigration issues, such as border security and interior enforcement, which Congress has failed to adequately address over the years. It is my hope that the House and Senate, with the president’s leadership, will be able to find consensus on a permanent legislative solution that includes ensuring that those who have done nothing wrong can still contribute as a valued part of this great country.”
They can have whatever opinion they want. If DACA recipients are given a path to citizenship I'll actively work against them from then on in favor of candidates that do not put illegals ahead of American citizens and immigrants like my neighbors who immigrated here the right way. Criminal behavior should not be rewarded.
These people were brought here when they were kids. What exactly is their criminal behavior?
I don’t disagree with you on “Normal” illegal immigrants by the way.
The fact they haven't left and came here the legal way.
As has been pointed out many, many times....the child of a bank robber doesn't get to keep the money.
If a family sneaks into Disney World the child doesn't get to stay.
Their very presence in this country is illegal behavior and it should not be rewarded. And take away the chance that they'll get a sudden boost in potential voters and the leftists will quit giving a **** about them too.
