(01-12-2018 12:33 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: The progressive left (rather dramatically) forfeited the moral high ground long ago.
Yep.
Because I'm not a fan of Trump doesn't mean I'm on the Michael Moore/Bernie Bro bandwagon. I gave crap to the 'progressives' quite a lot pre-2016. Still not a fan of that ilk, but they aren't my main focus right now.
Oh, stinkfist... #KABOOM3
#KABOOM4 = demonstrate such in consistency and not hem/haw....you've only demonstrated the latter in this thread....
Stick to principles and ideology, not to party. Nice try.
#KABOOM5 baby.
EOD. You've been nicely owned.
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2018 12:53 PM by Motown Bronco.)
(01-12-2018 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: Without going through all 17 pages of this thread...
The people that hate trump are triggered; the people who do like Trump are saying this is great; and the rest are like "And water is wet".
The term "sounding presidential" is likely being thrown around-- I hate that phrase. Frankly I don't want the CIC to "sound presidential"... that phrase= double-speak.
Its not like he was giving a public speech. Its a closed door meeting.
Ok..so you're going with that. That its fine to have the President of the United States make racist statements in the context of a POLICY meeting?
Why is shithole racist? Would it be racist if you said to your African date "come on baby I want to get in your shithole"? Then get with your friends after you been there and tell them "that was a awful shithole"?
The word in and of itself isn't racist. Isn't it interesting that people frequently say comments were taking out of context but in this case, they absolutely want you to take the word out of context.
Trump was saying that we shouldn't take PEOPLE from Haiti because the place is a shithole. This means to suggest that people from that country or other African countries are sub par because the place they live in is a shithole. Even that by itself is somewhat questionable but he added at the end that we should instead take people from Norway instead. Which is probably 98% white.
(01-12-2018 11:52 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: Does anyone else love the fact that in mere weeks the left went from slandering Alabama and the people of Alabama they are upset trump "slandered" third world countries?
Many Coastal goons think the entire Midwest and South are foreign country, flyover deplorables , pond scumb. Who care what They think.
High-ranking elected officials should be held to a higher standard than late-nite comedians, media columnists, political cartoonists, cable news talking heads, etc.
Before we get too high up on that horse, let's remember this was said behind closed doors. Some of the language presidents have used behind closed doors is pretty crude.
Hillary calling voters deplorable was done *AT A SPEAKING EVENT*
Actually, Trump and his supporters are proving her right. Racism is deplorable. Enabling racism is deplorable.
Unless you'd like to argue that racism isn't deplorable. In which case deplorable would also be an apt description but I'd argue that racist would be the more exact label.
BTW, Hillary didn't call white voters deplorable. She called Trump supporters deplorable.
good fk'n goodies....
we all have our bias' hat on at times.....
that biatch was nothing more than a crooked pandering fuckbag......
btw, how's cankles doing today??? did she get a back alley huma hummer??? curious minds wanna know....
(01-12-2018 10:25 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: Without going through all 17 pages of this thread...
The people that hate trump are triggered; the people who do like Trump are saying this is great; and the rest are like "And water is wet".
The term "sounding presidential" is likely being thrown around-- I hate that phrase. Frankly I don't want the CIC to "sound presidential"... that phrase= double-speak.
Its not like he was giving a public speech. Its a closed door meeting.
Ok..so you're going with that. That its fine to have the President of the United States make racist statements in the context of a POLICY meeting?
Why is shithole racist? Would it be racist if you said to your African date "come on baby I want to get in your shithole"? Then get with your friends after you been there and tell them "that was a awful shithole"?
The word in and of itself isn't racist. Isn't it interesting that people frequently say comments were taking out of context but in this case, they absolutely want you to take the word out of context.
Trump was saying that we shouldn't take PEOPLE from Haiti because the place is a shithole. This means to suggest that people from that country or other African countries are sub par because the place they live in is a shithole. Even that by itself is somewhat questionable but he added at the end that we should instead take people from Norway instead. Which is probably 98% white.
Straw man. He said we should't take 'so many people' from shithole countries. That means he wants to emphasize other areas where immigrants can contribute more immediately without government "investment".
(01-12-2018 12:33 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: The progressive left (rather dramatically) forfeited the moral high ground long ago.
Yep.
Because I'm not a fan of Trump doesn't mean I'm on the Michael Moore/Bernie Bro bandwagon. I gave crap to the 'progressives' quite a lot pre-2016. Still not a fan of that ilk, but they aren't my main focus right now.
Oh, stinkfist... #KABOOM3
#KABOOM4 = demonstrate such in consistency and not hem/haw....you've only demonstrated the latter in this thread....
Stick to principles and ideology, not to party. Nice try.
#KABOOM5 baby.
EOD. You've been nicely owned.
I'll simply bow out gracefully at this point.....enjoy you future successes due to #henceDJT policy
(01-12-2018 10:27 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote: I would like to know from our local SJWs if they agree or disagree in that Haiti and a large chunk of Africa are in fact shitholes?
This isn't about whether they actually are 'shiteholes' or not. It's about using tact toward others and exhibiting some common decency when you are in the position of POTUS.
It's funny I don't see you saying the same when all of these shithole TV talking heads and Congressmen and Senators on the left get on TV and call this President things that are 100x worse than shithole.
Shouldn't they be held to the same standards? Where's your outrage when that happens, nightly?
TV talking heads are private citizens paid to give controversial opinions.
I don't care too much what politicians call each other, especially if it's within the context of perceived actions.
EDIT: I spent years and years criticizing the Left since I joined in 2002. I've promoted fiscal conservative views so often your head would spin. My overall ideological views haven't changed all that much. I'm just not on the Trump Train, don't like his style and most of his policies. If you guys support him, hey, that's fine, it's your right.
So those that make our laws. Run this country. Affects your and mine everyday life more than most Presidents. Shouldn't be held to the same standards?
The words "toward others" kind of means...EACH OTHER
(01-12-2018 10:47 AM)bullet Wrote: Its not like he was giving a public speech. Its a closed door meeting.
Ok..so you're going with that. That its fine to have the President of the United States make racist statements in the context of a POLICY meeting?
Why is shithole racist? Would it be racist if you said to your African date "come on baby I want to get in your shithole"? Then get with your friends after you been there and tell them "that was a awful shithole"?
The word in and of itself isn't racist. Isn't it interesting that people frequently say comments were taking out of context but in this case, they absolutely want you to take the word out of context.
Trump was saying that we shouldn't take PEOPLE from Haiti because the place is a shithole. This means to suggest that people from that country or other African countries are sub par because the place they live in is a shithole. Even that by itself is somewhat questionable but he added at the end that we should instead take people from Norway instead. Which is probably 98% white.
Straw man. He said we should't take 'so many people' from shithole countries. That means he wants to emphasize other areas where immigrants can contribute more immediately without government "investment".
People who have nothing to lose will contribute more immediately than any kind of people I know.
(01-12-2018 12:33 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: The progressive left (rather dramatically) forfeited the moral high ground long ago.
Yep.
Because I'm not a fan of Trump doesn't mean I'm on the Michael Moore/Bernie Bro bandwagon. I gave crap to the 'progressives' quite a lot pre-2016. Still not a fan of that ilk, but they aren't my main focus right now.
Oh, stinkfist... #KABOOM3
#KABOOM4 = demonstrate such in consistency and not hem/haw....you've only demonstrated the latter in this thread....
Stick to principles and ideology, not to party. Nice try.
#KABOOM5 baby.
EOD. You've been nicely owned.
I'll simply bow out gracefully at this point.....enjoy you future successes due to #henceDJT policy
#KABOOM6
Kabooms aside, I lean conservative in fiscal matters and free market (I admit I'm generally warm to the tax plan), pretty liberal on social issues and foreign policy.
Disagree with that if you'd like, but I haven't swayed much from that for a long time.
Trump doesn't fit most of my views from a policy standpoint, and certainly not as a representative on the world stage. Again, that's fine if you and anyone else doesn't agree. So go ahead and trot out the "beta cuck, sjw, he/she" lines if you want in the future, if you feel that helps your argument. But I adhere to more traditional conservative planks than you think.
And with that I'll bow out as well.
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2018 01:09 PM by Motown Bronco.)
(01-12-2018 12:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Actually, Trump and his supporters are proving her right. Racism is deplorable. Enabling racism is deplorable.
A=B C=D so now A=D? I think you skipped something.
Quote:Unless you'd like to argue that racism isn't deplorable.
Sure... Right after you tell me how calling Alabama a shaqhole is ok but a third world conutry being called the same thing is not ok..
(01-12-2018 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: Ok..so you're going with that. That its fine to have the President of the United States make racist statements in the context of a POLICY meeting?
Why is shithole racist? Would it be racist if you said to your African date "come on baby I want to get in your shithole"? Then get with your friends after you been there and tell them "that was a awful shithole"?
The word in and of itself isn't racist. Isn't it interesting that people frequently say comments were taking out of context but in this case, they absolutely want you to take the word out of context.
Trump was saying that we shouldn't take PEOPLE from Haiti because the place is a shithole. This means to suggest that people from that country or other African countries are sub par because the place they live in is a shithole. Even that by itself is somewhat questionable but he added at the end that we should instead take people from Norway instead. Which is probably 98% white.
Straw man. He said we should't take 'so many people' from shithole countries. That means he wants to emphasize other areas where immigrants can contribute more immediately without government "investment".
People who have nothing to lose will contribute more immediately than any kind of people I know.
I don't think so. Inner city poverty is generational. While it's great to see rags to riches happen in the U.S., it's still pretty rare enough with U.S. born citizens who start life in poverty. Why in the world would we want to import more poor people? And your phrase is still a straw man.
(01-12-2018 10:27 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote: I would like to know from our local SJWs if they agree or disagree in that Haiti and a large chunk of Africa are in fact shitholes?
This isn't about whether they actually are 'shiteholes' or not. It's about using tact toward others and exhibiting some common decency when you are in the position of POTUS.
It's funny I don't see you saying the same when all of these shithole TV talking heads and Congressmen and Senators on the left get on TV and call this President things that are 100x worse than shithole.
Shouldn't they be held to the same standards? Where's your outrage when that happens, nightly?
TV talking heads are private citizens paid to give controversial opinions.
I don't care too much what politicians call each other, especially if it's within the context of perceived actions.
EDIT: I spent years and years criticizing the Left since I joined in 2002. I've promoted fiscal conservative views so often your head would spin. My overall ideological views haven't changed all that much. I'm just not on the Trump Train, don't like his style and most of his policies. If you guys support him, hey, that's fine, it's your right.
So those that make our laws. Run this country. Affects your and mine everyday life more than most Presidents. Shouldn't be held to the same standards?
The words "toward others" kind of means...EACH OTHER
Actually, you're right. I didn't word that well.
I wouldn't have minded specific examples of "100x worse than shitehole" that I could address. But, yes, if I thought Trump went above the fray during and after the primaries and election, then raw insults on the congressional floor should be held to the same standard.
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2018 01:18 PM by Motown Bronco.)
Before yesterday we were told by our friends on the left that it was compassionate to let these immigrants come here because of how horrible it was where they lived.
Now it's racist to correctly call where these immigrants hail from a shitehole.
Because I'm not a fan of Trump doesn't mean I'm on the Michael Moore/Bernie Bro bandwagon. I gave crap to the 'progressives' quite a lot pre-2016. Still not a fan of that ilk, but they aren't my main focus right now.
Oh, stinkfist... #KABOOM3
#KABOOM4 = demonstrate such in consistency and not hem/haw....you've only demonstrated the latter in this thread....
Stick to principles and ideology, not to party. Nice try.
#KABOOM5 baby.
EOD. You've been nicely owned.
I'll simply bow out gracefully at this point.....enjoy you future successes due to #henceDJT policy
#KABOOM6
Kabooms aside, I lean conservative in fiscal matters and free market (I admit I'm generally warm to the tax plan), pretty liberal on social issues and foreign policy.
Disagree with that if you'd like, but I haven't swayed much from that for a long time.
Trump doesn't fit most of my views from a policy standpoint, and certainly not as a representative on the world stage. Again, that's fine if you and anyone else doesn't agree. So go ahead and trot out the "beta cuck, sjw, he/she" lines if you want in the future, if you feel that helps your argument. But I adhere to more traditional conservative planks than you think.
And with that I'll bow out as well.
see...we're not that different on policy on both sides of the equation....
I prefer what you do.....but the shite had gotten out of control.....
at that point, I toss status quo out of the equation and look for an alternative.....
politics.....it's a biatch....it's why I despised current methodology until #henceDJT......
somebody had to give both sides a swift kick to the rear......
