Lets all get together and ask her to kindly resign.

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(01-08-2018 10:18 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I bet the G5 commissioners were told "Deal with the 4-team playoff, or lose the millions of dollars you're already getting..."

There's more to this...

Sure feels like it. My guess is they used back room pressure to get the G5 to squelch the CFP criticism. I could see ESPN threatening to cut bowl ties or threatening future/current exposure/contract deals. I could also see ESPN telling the commissioners---"If the ratings are low enough that "make goods" are required--ESPN might have to look to the CFP for recourse if the commissioners continue to undermine the CFP's credibility right before the game."

Whatver happened--it sure made everyone become one big happy family really quick. Its like Bill Hancock kidnapped every commissioners family or something.

That said, I think the CFP now realizes people see what's going on. While the clear message is everything is great and everyone is happy so no changes needed---my guess is change is already being discussed. The CFP took an ugly black eye this year. After just 4 years, the system is already showing serious flaws and several P5 conferences have been told they were worthy multiple times. This year, 2 P5 champs were told to sit this one out. The Big10 was not happy.

One other thing worth noting. The last team to squeak into the playoff (#4 seed) has now won 50% of the time in the CFP era. That #4 team wasn't even allowed to compete for the championship in the BCS era. How many times might it have won during the last 20 years or so? Looking forward---I suspect that the #5, #6, #7, and #8 seeds in an 8-team playoff would likely win more often than many think. I honestly am starting to think we might just end up moving to an 8-team playoff by the halfway point in the current CFP agreement. It would make a lot of people happy and solve a lot of the current systems issues.

You know why Judy hasn't been fired? Because our school presidents don't care about sports. Period. If they cared about athletics, they wouldn't settle for the utter incompetence.

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

(01-08-2018 10:17 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  yes it should be an 8 team playoff but this is still better than fcs

I have no idea how you hire judy for a job where you have to be interviewed by the media,
I can be more motivational in my sleep.....No doubt she never finished first in selling Girl Scout Cookies

I'd like to see UCF's Athletic Director Daniel J White offered the CUSA commissioner's job. Can you imagine how much better represented we would be? He has been a G5 hero about this playoff stuff.

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

The biggest push for the 8 team playoff will be from the Big 10 champ being left out.

The G5 conferences are receiving much more now than under the BCS. Paired with the ESPN decline and ultimately declining TV revenue for all the upcoming G5 TV comtracts. The G5 commissioners are not going to rock the boat.

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive but UCF had nowhere close the resume needed to be considered for the playoff.

(01-08-2018 06:00 PM)rook360 Wrote:  "Some critics of the system have said that what's missing in college football is the Cinderella stories that are seen more frequently in the college basketball tournament, but C-USA commissioner Judy MacLeod said she believes it is possible.
'I think it's harder,' she said, 'but something's got to prove me wrong to think it's not possible."
Uhmm Boise and UCF. Our commissioner just pretty much went in the corner, curled up in a ball, and took her scraps. I respect the AAC for the fact that at least they are aggressive in promoting themselves.

Stupid is as Stupid does.

(01-09-2018 02:55 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:00 PM)rook360 Wrote:  "Some critics of the system have said that what's missing in college football is the Cinderella stories that are seen more frequently in the college basketball tournament, but C-USA commissioner Judy MacLeod said she believes it is possible.
'I think it's harder,' she said, 'but something's got to prove me wrong to think it's not possible."
Uhmm Boise and UCF. Our commissioner just pretty much went in the corner, curled up in a ball, and took her scraps. I respect the AAC for the fact that at least they are aggressive in promoting themselves.

Stupid is as Stupid does.

We should all just start scheduling 4 away games against the blue bloods each year. You would have to have 4 wins against that group and then an undefeated conference slate to have a snowball's chance at getting in. Even if you managed that 1/million feat, they would still pat you on the back and put you at number 5.

(01-09-2018 01:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive but UCF had nowhere close the resume needed to be considered for the playoff.

But what could they have done differently? Its not their fault, or any of ours, that we can't sew an SEC patch on our jerseys. They have to play the conference schedule. And, its not like they could play four P5s non-conference either. Thats the catch, in both football and basketball. The P5s refuse to play you on equal footing, and then say you aren't worthy because your schedule doesn't include enough of them. The won every game they played. Thats all they could do. Its despicable they were left out.

(01-09-2018 01:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive but UCF had nowhere close the resume needed to be considered for the playoff.

I think you misread my question.

Let me throw this out to the class, and not just for CUSA fans but any G5 school fans:

What would be the proper response from your commissioner? And if that answer is something in the neighborhood of "I want him/her to oppose the current CFP and bowl system with everything they have," the follow-up would be: Would you be willing to leave the system to back up those words?

Because while I think we all would like to see a more equatable system in place, the cold hard truth is that at best, any change would be incremental — it took 30 years to go from an undefeated Fresno State team playing in the Raisin Bowl to an undefeated UCF team playing Auburn in the Peach. And while it might do our spirits well to see the G5 commissioners lock hands and raise their arms in defiance of the Capital before the start of the Quarter Quell, at the end of the day our conferences and the schools within them are going to be looking out for themselves. Being in a compromised system sucks, but being outside of it sucks harder.

(FX ran the first three Hunger Games movies back-to-back-to-back. I was bored. Jennifer Lawrence was cute)

(fight me)

(01-09-2018 03:57 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Let me throw this out to the class, and not just for CUSA fans but any G5 school fans:

What would be the proper response from your commissioner? And if that answer is something in the neighborhood of "I want him/her to oppose the current CFP and bowl system with everything they have," the follow-up would be: Would you be willing to leave the system to back up those words?

Because while I think we all would like to see a more equatable system in place, the cold hard truth is that at best, any change would be incremental — it took 30 years to go from an undefeated Fresno State team playing in the Raisin Bowl to an undefeated UCF team playing Auburn in the Peach. And while it might do our spirits well to see the G5 commissioners lock hands and raise their arms in defiance of the Capital before the start of the Quarter Quell, at the end of the day our conferences and the schools within them are going to be looking out for themselves. Being in a compromised system sucks, but being outside of it sucks harder.

(FX ran the first three Hunger Games movies back-to-back-to-back. I was bored. Jennifer Lawrence was cute)

(fight me)

Boise was undefeated and finished 5th in 2006.

In 2009 Boise finished 4th and was ranked as high 2nd in 2010 up until the 12th week when they lost Nevada.

They would have most definitely played in 4 team playoff that year if they had went undefeated. Boise had beaten multiple ranked P5 opponents on the road unlike UCF who had #72 SOS Sagarin and 0 ranked P5 wins.

Sagarin gives very clear picture on how UCF schedule stack up against other top teams.

UCF had a #72 SOS and was 1-0 versus top 30 teams while Penn State was 4-2 and Wisconsin was 4-1. UCF was lucky to be ranked ahead of them and was basically a bone thrown to the G5 schools

(01-09-2018 01:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive but UCF had nowhere close the resume needed to be considered for the playoff.

I disagree. YOU sound as bad as the P5 people. When UCF beat Auburn, they darn sure proved they were worthy.

(01-09-2018 01:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive

You should have stopped right there. You sounded smarter.

(01-09-2018 03:03 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive but UCF had nowhere close the resume needed to be considered for the playoff.

But what could they have done differently? Its not their fault, or any of ours, that we can't sew an SEC patch on our jerseys. They have to play the conference schedule. And, its not like they could play four P5s non-conference either. Thats the catch, in both football and basketball. The P5s refuse to play you on equal footing, and then say you aren't worthy because your schedule doesn't include enough of them. The won every game they played. Thats all they could do. Its despicable they were left out.

Exactly. And even if you could schedule 4 P5 games, your SOS would still have 4 (or more) fewer P5 games than any other P5 schedule. SOS is always going to be the handy tool the committee can use to dismiss a deserving G5.

In reality it is mathematically impossible for a G5 (who has to play 8 conference games vs G5's) to ever rank much better than 65th in SOS. Your going to be behind every P5 team to start. So, UCF's #72 schedule is surprisingly pretty close to about as good as you can get for a G5. I think the UH 2016 schedule everyone says was "good enough"---had an SOS rank of #76--it was actually worse than the 2017 UCF schedule (#72). The best G5 schedule rank I saw this year was Navy at #67. So, the truth is, UCF actually had one of the best SOS's in the G5.

A G5 has no chance at the playoff if SOS is the primary criteria.

(01-09-2018 06:09 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:57 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 01:45 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  

(01-09-2018 11:57 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 09:26 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  UCF and the Big 10 both had big cases this year.

I think if UCF had played Auburn late Nov and won, they would have had a case. They were 12-0 with 1 win over a ranked team (Memphis) at the time, which I'm unsure if that is a 'big case'.

Who had Bama beaten?

A Memphis team that lost to the 7th place Big 12 team at home.

Undefeated is impressive but UCF had nowhere close the resume needed to be considered for the playoff.

I disagree. YOU sound as bad as the P5 people. When UCF beat Auburn, they darn sure proved they were worthy.

That was after the fact, reason I said they needed to have beaten auburn in nov.

(01-08-2018 07:51 PM)monarx Wrote:  Despicable. These puppets should be ashamed of themselves. After what happened to UCF this season, the argument to expand would actually gain momentum. Judy is a joke, and we all know that, but the AAC guy seemed to have some vision and spine. If we can't even lobby for our own best interest we may as well admit defeat and let the P5 secede and do their own thing.

not angering our ESPN overlords is in our best interest...