This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

(01-04-2018 11:52 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  You all seem to be under the assumption this is real news.

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It's not yet, but it might be depending on how Sessions acts next. If he revokes the Ogden and Cole Memoranda, AND convinces congress to leave Rohrbacher-Farr out of the next appropriations bill, then it'll be news. Still won't amount to much for individual users but could have pretty serious implications for the business side of things (e.g. real estate, banking related activities).

ETA: OK, his memo is out and it revokes the Memoranda but is otherwise vague and doesn't announce any new policy. So it increases risk for businesses but probably doesn't affect prosecution much, if at all.

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

Bad move on Sessions part. Cory Gardner of Colorado Tweeted his attacks on Sessions. Why? It was the voters who voted for the pot to be legal in these states. He is getting Republicans mad at him. Gardner said that him and other Republicans from the states that are legal will block any DoJ nominees until Sessions stop this foolish act.

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

Bad move on Sessions part. Cory Gardner of Colorado Tweeted his attacks on Sessions. Why? It was the voters who voted for the pot to be legal in these states. He is getting Republicans mad at him. Gardner said that him and other Republicans from the states that are legal will block any DoJ nominees until Sessions stop this foolish act.

It's never a bad move to correct overreach of a branch of government. The Obama era regulations were nothing more than the executive branch trying to legislate via regulation. That's unconstitutional.

If Cory Gardner is mad then he needs to do his ******* job as a United States Senator and introduce a bill to legalize pot.

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

That's a fair assessment. I would have preferred that he give congress a heads up and 6 months notice on this.

Well the previous administration could've done more than half ass it for it to be legal across the country

(01-04-2018 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

Bad move on Sessions part. Cory Gardner of Colorado Tweeted his attacks on Sessions. Why? It was the voters who voted for the pot to be legal in these states. He is getting Republicans mad at him. Gardner said that him and other Republicans from the states that are legal will block any DoJ nominees until Sessions stop this foolish act.

It's never a bad move to correct overreach of a branch of government. The Obama era regulations were nothing more than the executive branch trying to legislate via regulation. That's unconstitutional.

If Cory Gardner is mad then he needs to do his ******* job as a United States Senator and introduce a bill to legalize pot.

That is exactly what needs to happen. Bet it could even be bipartisan and I bet Trump would sign it.

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(01-04-2018 02:01 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

Bad move on Sessions part. Cory Gardner of Colorado Tweeted his attacks on Sessions. Why? It was the voters who voted for the pot to be legal in these states. He is getting Republicans mad at him. Gardner said that him and other Republicans from the states that are legal will block any DoJ nominees until Sessions stop this foolish act.

It's never a bad move to correct overreach of a branch of government. The Obama era regulations were nothing more than the executive branch trying to legislate via regulation. That's unconstitutional.

If Cory Gardner is mad then he needs to do his ******* job as a United States Senator and introduce a bill to legalize pot.

That is exactly what needs to happen. Bet it could even be bipartisan and I bet Trump would sign it.

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Quite possibly.

(01-04-2018 12:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

Bad move on Sessions part. Cory Gardner of Colorado Tweeted his attacks on Sessions. Why? It was the voters who voted for the pot to be legal in these states. He is getting Republicans mad at him. Gardner said that him and other Republicans from the states that are legal will block any DoJ nominees until Sessions stop this foolish act.

It's never a bad move to correct overreach of a branch of government. The Obama era regulations were nothing more than the executive branch trying to legislate via regulation. That's unconstitutional.

If Cory Gardner is mad then he needs to do his ******* job as a United States Senator and introduce a bill to legalize pot.

Yep. Gardner is correct in that the people of Colorado voted to make it legal, but since it is a Federal Law - go get the law changed....or at least go make the attempt.

Tweeting attacks carry about the weight of trolling on this site..........

(01-04-2018 12:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  This change is consistent with every other move the Trump administrations has made to eradicate the Obama administration's pattern of legislating via executive order or regulation. This regulation was in direct contradiction of federal law as passed by the legislative branch in that it essentially said pot is legal. That is one ranch of the government exceeding it's authority. This is a good move.

If you want legal pot then follow the established procedure and get Congress to pass a law. Legislating by executive fiat is bad even if you agree with it.

Point made. There is merit to this argument.

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Bad idea.

Whatever they decide, it's clear that sucking smoke from burning leaves into one's lungs probably isn't too good for the throat and lungs. It isn't particularly good for reaction times and short term memory either. Of course it you're dealing with chemo, insomnia, or chronic pain the good probably out weighs the bad.

(01-04-2018 02:35 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Bad idea.

Again, it's never a bad idea to eliminate a branch of the government from exceeding it's authority. Even when you agree with the overreach.

(01-04-2018 12:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Republicans here in this state legalized medical marijuana because the majority of the people voted for it. And these are mostly Trump supporters voted in favor of this.

It is the Republicans that keep trying to block the vote on legalized recreational Marijuana and have been obstructionist when it comes to medical Marijuana here in Arkansas. So lets not give them to much credit. It was the will of the people that passed that law.

(01-04-2018 03:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:35 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Bad idea.

Again, it's never a bad idea to eliminate a branch of the government from exceeding it's authority. Even when you agree with the overreach.

I gotta go with Kap on this one. I personally don't have a problem with it, but if it's the law it needs to be enforced. That's what separates us from the rest, we enforce the laws no matter who is in charge

(01-04-2018 03:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 03:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-04-2018 02:35 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Bad idea.

Again, it's never a bad idea to eliminate a branch of the government from exceeding it's authority. Even when you agree with the overreach.

I gotta go with Kap on this one. I personally don't have a problem with it, but if it's the law it needs to be enforced. That's what separates us from the rest, we enforce the laws no matter who is in charge

"The people of _____________ County want law and order, just not too much law and order." - the sheriff of my county back in the 60s. He was a wise man.

Didn't Obama's executive order basically reverse Nixon's executive order putting marijuana onto the Schedule 1 list?

(01-04-2018 03:40 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Didn't Obama's executive order basically reverse Nixon's executive order putting marijuana onto the Schedule 1 list?

Yes the act that Kaplony is referring to that congress passed established schedules based on danger of the specific drug. Marijuana was placed as a schedule I drug, but that placement was specifically subject to review of the executive branch. This wasn't a case of the Obama administration acting contrary to congress...congress gave the authority to the president in the act to revisit the schedule classification of marijuana.

Likewise, the Trump administration has the authority to change the classification. That doesn't make it good policy to do so. This is not a case of the executive usurping the will of Congress, but of the executive acting within the authority given to him by the statute.

so not an executive overreach?

(01-04-2018 03:50 PM)fsquid Wrote:  so not an executive overreach?

Review of where Marijuana should fall on the schedule system outlined by congress was authority congress specifically delegated to the president in the act. Changing the classification is consistent with the statute. It's a huge strech to call it executive overreach.