(12-23-2017 08:42 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 08:14 PM)payday Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

I did. USF has always been bad. I was surprised they got a BE bid from CUSA.

Strategic. The Big East schools wanted a presence in Florida for football as most of the remaining schools recruited there pretty heavily. UCF was dismissed early in the process in 2003; USF got the nod when BC left for the ACC.

UCF was not considered because they neglected their basketball and played in a high school gym at the time.

(12-23-2017 08:59 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 08:42 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 08:14 PM)payday Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

I did. USF has always been bad. I was surprised they got a BE bid from CUSA.

Strategic. The Big East schools wanted a presence in Florida for football as most of the remaining schools recruited there pretty heavily. UCF was dismissed early in the process in 2003; USF got the nod when BC left for the ACC.

ESPN wanted Ucf in the big east as well but Judy genshaft shafted us. True Story.

USF and Cincy came into the be Big East at the same time. Never recall any discussion about UCF. Judy Genschaft had no ability or authority to "shaft" or "not shaft" UCF.

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

And who would have thought UCONN would out-suck them as well. After todays demolition it's obvious UCONN will be in the bottom half of the league once again. Odd that a UCONN fan is throwing stones at USF.

Interesting that this is the first year the AAC is considered a power basketball conference.

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(12-23-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

And who would have thought UCONN would out-suck them as well. After todays demolition it's obvious UCONN will be in the bottom half of the league once again. Odd that a UCONN fan is throwing stones at USF.

LOL Creighton fan. Shall we compare tournament wins since the split?

(12-23-2017 09:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 08:59 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 08:42 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 08:14 PM)payday Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

I did. USF has always been bad. I was surprised they got a BE bid from CUSA.

Strategic. The Big East schools wanted a presence in Florida for football as most of the remaining schools recruited there pretty heavily. UCF was dismissed early in the process in 2003; USF got the nod when BC left for the ACC.

ESPN wanted Ucf in the big east as well but Judy genshaft shafted us. True Story.

USF and Cincy came into the be Big East at the same time. Never recall any discussion about UCF. Judy Genschaft had no ability or authority to "shaft" or "not shaft" UCF.

Cincy came in for basketball. USF for a Florida presence.

(12-23-2017 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It will be great if ESPN continues the moniker.

ESPN will do anything to draw viewers. If there is a legitimate way they can brand something they will. Branding the AAC a power conference is totally legit. We have the momentum, we must continue to make smart decisions in how we promote this league. We need to get a challenge going with another major conference ASAP. I would prefer the B12-2 or the SEC. The B1G/Pac12 would be my 3rd choice. Avoid the ACC for obvious reasons and avoid the Pee because it will be their Super Bowl and they'll win more than they should Cinderella style.


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(12-23-2017 02:51 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:16 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I like Wichita State in the AAC

I also believe they're the perfect basketball program who can help this league battle and convince the decision power makers that the AAC is truly a Power Conference.

But... I 100% disagree Wichita is the sole reason the AAC is back being a Power among the Powers.

Yeah, it's not the sole reason, but it is a factor. The addition of Wichita State, the recent upswing by previously moribund basketball programs, our success in out-of-conference play, and our P6 campaign probably all have a bit to do with it.

Don't get me wrong I see the equity pluses Wichita State brings to AAC table and I'm all in favor of it... My disagreement is that this league has, since day one overcome many challenges with its current membership lineup, challenges many/most doubters had negatively spread in waves about the AAC.

One or two that come to mind "The AAC is a dead walking conference"... "The AAC doesn't have the horses to defeat or go toe to toe with p5 programs"... blah... blah... blah... is what I've always responded, I recall.

You right though, with Wichita our Power 6 campaign looks much more sexier all while the football isle roars with confidence

(12-23-2017 10:31 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It will be great if ESPN continues the moniker.

ESPN will do anything to draw viewers. If there is a legitimate way they can brand something they will. Branding the AAC a power conference is totally legit. We have the momentum, we must continue to make smart decisions in how we promote this league. We need to get a challenge going with another major conference ASAP. I would prefer the B12-2 or the SEC. The B1G/Pac12 would be my 3rd choice. Avoid the AAC for obvious reasons and avoid the Pee because it will be their Super Bowl and they'll win more than they should Cinderella style.


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Aren't you the one who posted that the AAC programs are broke??

(12-23-2017 10:34 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:31 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It will be great if ESPN continues the moniker.

ESPN will do anything to draw viewers. If there is a legitimate way they can brand something they will. Branding the AAC a power conference is totally legit. We have the momentum, we must continue to make smart decisions in how we promote this league. We need to get a challenge going with another major conference ASAP. I would prefer the B12-2 or the SEC. The B1G/Pac12 would be my 3rd choice. Avoid the AAC for obvious reasons and avoid the Pee because it will be their Super Bowl and they'll win more than they should Cinderella style.


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Aren't you the one who posted that the AAC programs are broke??

*flips back through his mental Trollodex*

I don't think so...?


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(12-23-2017 10:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

And who would have thought UCONN would out-suck them as well. After todays demolition it's obvious UCONN will be in the bottom half of the league once again. Odd that a UCONN fan is throwing stones at USF.

LOL Creighton fan. Shall we compare tournament wins since the split?

How many tournament wins are there not including Calhouns players that were all recruited to play in the Big East and arrived on campus expecting just that. You've been consistently in the toilet since those days passed.

(12-23-2017 10:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

And who would have thought UCONN would out-suck them as well. After todays demolition it's obvious UCONN will be in the bottom half of the league once again. Odd that a UCONN fan is throwing stones at USF.

LOL Creighton fan. Shall we compare tournament wins since the split?

Let me know if the BJ is making eye contact with you and I'll call security. These Nebraskans are so disconnected from the rest of the civilized world they often forget their place.


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(12-23-2017 10:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

And who would have thought UCONN would out-suck them as well. After todays demolition it's obvious UCONN will be in the bottom half of the league once again. Odd that a UCONN fan is throwing stones at USF.

LOL Creighton fan. Shall we compare tournament wins since the split?

LMAO. We told you they are weird, insecure bunch. Always frequenting the AAC boards because there's like 13 people paying attention to them in the state of Nebraska that's not associated with Nebraska football. Honestly, that's probably how many posters are active on the new Big East message board.

The Nebraska Football University of Omaha fans are commonly known as the most insecure fan base in sports. It's not hard to imagine why with their annual shortcomings in March. They're a different breed lol.

(12-23-2017 10:38 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:34 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:31 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 07:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  It will be great if ESPN continues the moniker.

ESPN will do anything to draw viewers. If there is a legitimate way they can brand something they will. Branding the AAC a power conference is totally legit. We have the momentum, we must continue to make smart decisions in how we promote this league. We need to get a challenge going with another major conference ASAP. I would prefer the B12-2 or the SEC. The B1G/Pac12 would be my 3rd choice. Avoid the AAC for obvious reasons and avoid the Pee because it will be their Super Bowl and they'll win more than they should Cinderella style.


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Aren't you the one who posted that the AAC programs are broke??

*flips back through his mental Trollodex*

I don't think so...?


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Not this board where I saw that statement... I'll search for it but pretty freaking sure it was you who post it.

(12-23-2017 10:41 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 10:22 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  We also thought we were losing the old Big East bottom-dwellers in Seton Hall, Providence, St Johns, and Depaul. Who would have thought that USF would out-suck that lot and bring down the rest of the AAC?

And who would have thought UCONN would out-suck them as well. After todays demolition it's obvious UCONN will be in the bottom half of the league once again. Odd that a UCONN fan is throwing stones at USF.

LOL Creighton fan. Shall we compare tournament wins since the split?

How many tournament wins are there not including Calhouns players that were all recruited to play in the Big East and arrived on campus expecting just that. You've been consistently in the toilet since those days passed.

Ask and you shall receive...

NCAA Tournaments Wins Since the Split:

Villanova: 9
UCONN: 7 (including Calhoun players)
Xavier: 6
Butler: 4
Georgetown: 2
UCONN: 1 (not including Calhoun players)
Creighton: 1
Providence: 1
Depaul: 0
Marquette: 0
Seton Hall: 0
St Johns: 0

Yikes! A lot of toilets in the new Big East!

Someone up-thread asked the question, "What would the criteria be" for a "Power," or even "High-Major" conference standing in basketball is? I'll first note that the designation of "Power" conferences in football has to do with (a) autonomy in terms of decision making, (b) media compensation deals in excess of $16MM/school, and © some sort of "contract" Bowl among one of the "New Year's Day" major bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, and now Cotton).

For Basketball, I think one of the things that has to be taken into account is the proportion of NCAA bids to the conference membership. The "High Major" conferences tend to send < 50% of their members to the NCAA. So, for the old, 16 member Big East, we once sent 11 of 16 teams to the NCAA. The Big XII has routinely sent 7-8 of 10 members to the tournament. If you can't get bids for half...or more...of your membership, you are something less than "high major."

The AAC has sent 20% to 30% of it's members to the tournament. Even this year, we probably get 4 bids...which would be 33%. It's akin to the sticker controversy. You can "say" you are "Power" and "High Major" all you want, but the proof is in the pudding at the end of the day. If we get 6 or more bids to the NCAA, I'll agree that we're a "Power" or "High Major" conference. Until that point... Nope.

(12-24-2017 09:15 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Someone up-thread asked the question, "What would the criteria be" for a "Power," or even "High-Major" conference standing in basketball is? I'll first note that the designation of "Power" conferences in football has to do with (a) autonomy in terms of decision making, (b) media compensation deals in excess of $16MM/school, and © some sort of "contract" Bowl among one of the "New Year's Day" major bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, and now Cotton).

For Basketball, I think one of the things that has to be taken into account is the proportion of NCAA bids to the conference membership. The "High Major" conferences tend to send < 50% of their members to the NCAA. So, for the old, 16 member Big East, we once sent 11 of 16 teams to the NCAA. The Big XII has routinely sent 7-8 of 10 members to the tournament. If you can't get bids for half...or more...of your membership, you are something less than "high major."

The AAC has sent 20% to 30% of it's members to the tournament. Even this year, we probably get 4 bids...which would be 33%. It's akin to the sticker controversy. You can "say" you are "Power" and "High Major" all you want, but the proof is in the pudding at the end of the day. If we get 6 or more bids to the NCAA, I'll agree that we're a "Power" or "High Major" conference. Until that point... Nope.

too bad your opinion on this doesnt decide anything...the pac 12 might get 3 this year with more members than the aac..but im sure they arent a power conference

Jerry is spot on. We need to routinely put 5-6 in the tourney

(12-24-2017 09:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Jerry is spot on. We need to routinely put 5-6 in the tourney

And you actually need at least one of those teams to make it to the second weekend...

(12-24-2017 09:55 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 09:41 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Jerry is spot on. We need to routinely put 5-6 in the tourney

And you actually need at least one of those teams to make it to the second weekend...

Third time is the charm for SMU - knock on wood