This thread will be an analysis with some footage of ISC Football... Initially noticed that ISC has a VERY disciplined Defense...they are able to get to the perimeter and cover screens well and with consistency. The key will be our running game. If we can consistently run the ball....It will open up opportunities for our playmakers...

ISC also has tall receivers, VERY TALL... They also make exceptional catches at the peak well above usually smaller defenders reach... This could be a problem as the QB is VERY adept and accustomed to throwing jump balls to them as he is pressured..

Very strong a determined RB @ISC...If we have problems tackling him in space, could be a looong day for us....He's shifty, strong and fights for EVERY yard, if he gains confidence from us NOT coming to bring him down, look out.

Our RB's are VERY explosive...it will be VERY interesting to see how our O-line performs in this game...If we show positivity there, we could put ISC in a position that would be insurmountable...

ISC has gr8 special teams coverage...Gr8 matchup to see if they contain the averages that we have seen this season!!!!

Overall INCREDIBLE matchup...BEST Outside P5 IMHO....Looking forward to this game....

Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Bowl games are hard to analyze. We should be pumped up for this one. No idea on the Cyclones state of mind coming in. Could be a good one that goes either way or a rout by us if they 'don't show'. Don't see us getting routed

I like our chances with Norvell staying. Had he left, not so much.
Vegas likes us, by 3.5, from what I saw.

(12-18-2017 09:26 AM)72Tiger Wrote:  Bowl games are hard to analyze. We should be pumped up for this one. No idea on the Cyclones state of mind coming in. Could be a good one that goes either way or a rout by us if they 'don't show'. Don't see us getting routed

Yep, and the long break in practice doesn't help the offense either.

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

Its key to win this game.
Win, and we show the Big12 they made a colossal mistake not inviting us to the Big12, as we would've pulled our own weight.

(12-18-2017 10:13 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Its key to win this game.
Win, and we show the Big12 they made a colossal mistake not inviting us to the Big12, as we would've pulled our own weight.

...at least in football. At least for now.

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

I think their offense can be a hit or miss at times as their defense has kept them in most games...then there is the Oklahoma st game where their offense did great but their defense let them down...yeah,hard team to figure out.

(12-18-2017 10:13 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Its key to win this game.
Win, and we show the Big12 they made a colossal mistake not inviting us to the Big12, as we would've pulled our own weight.

For OUR OWN merit...it's key for us to WIN this game....But for BIGXII brass. Small market teams such as Memphis, TCU, Houston, SMU even ISC cripples the growth and appeal of their BRAND....So that's EXACTLY what they absolutely CAN'T have, is an invite to US and we beat up on their Golden geese of Oklahoma & Texas...If these teams DON'T carry the league, by WINNING TITLES and being featured in the CFPS College Football Playoff System...The this league is doomed, and NO realistic expansion scenario would benefit..In their feeble mindsets...ofcourse

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

(12-18-2017 02:27 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

You sure you want this?

(12-18-2017 02:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:27 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

You sure you want this?

That was going to be my next issue to discuss, Refs! It can bring a VERY interesting dynamic to this game! I'm curious and may even be concerned...

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

I am a little frustrated with how badly people don't understand our defense.

If our defense wasn't good, we don't win seven games this season.

ULM, we overcame the loss of three starters for the season, and they only scored in the first half off the drive set up by one of those injuries.

UCLA, the turnovers we caused won the game.

UCF, five turnovers, most in the redzone sealed that game. Two blown plays, also overcoming more injuries were their big plays. We still played well enough to win that game if the offense doesn't self-destruct.

Navy, we start the game with a turnover inside our 15. Had we not caused multiple turnovers, we don't win. Second lowest offensive output of the season. We also held them more than 100 yards under their season average (Better than Notre Dame).

Houston. We would've only given up 7 points in the first half had it not been two turnovers inside our own 30. In the second half, none of our drives lasted more than 2:15. We were on the field almost the whole second half, not to mention the majority of the first.

Tulane, we were up 35-0 and they had 32 total yards. Yes, we took the foot off the gas and played backups possibly too early, but it was total domination in the first half.

Tulsa and ECU were total dominance. SMU, at least 21 of their points were absolutely horrible calls by the refs that either kept drives alive or GAVE them 50 yards of a 62 yard drive.

Yes, statistically our defense is bad, but 1) it doesn't take into account how many of those yards were gained after the game was mostly decided and 2) doesn't account for all the injuries we've had this season. How many players on our defense didn't miss time this season... FIVE! Everyone else on the 1 or 2 deep missed time due to injuries and three due to targeting.

WHO DEY ?

(12-18-2017 03:00 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

I am a little frustrated with how badly people don't understand our defense.

If our defense wasn't good, we don't win seven games this season.

ULM, we overcame the loss of three starters for the season, and they only scored in the first half off the drive set up by one of those injuries.

UCLA, the turnovers we caused won the game.

UCF, five turnovers, most in the redzone sealed that game. Two blown plays, also overcoming more injuries were their big plays. We still played well enough to win that game if the offense doesn't self-destruct.

Navy, we start the game with a turnover inside our 15. Had we not caused multiple turnovers, we don't win. Second lowest offensive output of the season. We also held them more than 100 yards under their season average (Better than Notre Dame).

Houston. We would've only given up 7 points in the first half had it not been two turnovers inside our own 30. In the second half, none of our drives lasted more than 2:15. We were on the field almost the whole second half, not to mention the majority of the first.

Tulane, we were up 35-0 and they had 32 total yards. Yes, we took the foot off the gas and played backups possibly too early, but it was total domination in the first half.

Tulsa and ECU were total dominance. SMU, at least 21 of their points were absolutely horrible calls by the refs that either kept drives alive or GAVE them 50 yards of a 62 yard drive.

Yes, statistically our defense is bad, but 1) it doesn't take into account how many of those yards were gained after the game was mostly decided and 2) doesn't account for all the injuries we've had this season. How many players on our defense didn't miss time this season... FIVE! Everyone else on the 1 or 2 deep missed time due to injuries and three due to targeting.

Point is, I think our defense has allowed enough points to say we will have to outscore the opposition to win. Doesn't mean our D doesn't get a crucial stop here & there but I don't think anyone is under the allusion we can score 14 pts & beat an opponent with a good offense.

(12-18-2017 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:00 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

I am a little frustrated with how badly people don't understand our defense.

If our defense wasn't good, we don't win seven games this season.

ULM, we overcame the loss of three starters for the season, and they only scored in the first half off the drive set up by one of those injuries.

UCLA, the turnovers we caused won the game.

UCF, five turnovers, most in the redzone sealed that game. Two blown plays, also overcoming more injuries were their big plays. We still played well enough to win that game if the offense doesn't self-destruct.

Navy, we start the game with a turnover inside our 15. Had we not caused multiple turnovers, we don't win. Second lowest offensive output of the season. We also held them more than 100 yards under their season average (Better than Notre Dame).

Houston. We would've only given up 7 points in the first half had it not been two turnovers inside our own 30. In the second half, none of our drives lasted more than 2:15. We were on the field almost the whole second half, not to mention the majority of the first.

Tulane, we were up 35-0 and they had 32 total yards. Yes, we took the foot off the gas and played backups possibly too early, but it was total domination in the first half.

Tulsa and ECU were total dominance. SMU, at least 21 of their points were absolutely horrible calls by the refs that either kept drives alive or GAVE them 50 yards of a 62 yard drive.

Yes, statistically our defense is bad, but 1) it doesn't take into account how many of those yards were gained after the game was mostly decided and 2) doesn't account for all the injuries we've had this season. How many players on our defense didn't miss time this season... FIVE! Everyone else on the 1 or 2 deep missed time due to injuries and three due to targeting.

Point is, I think our defense has allowed enough points to say we will have to outscore the opposition to win. Doesn't mean our D doesn't get a crucial stop here & there but I don't think anyone is under the allusion we can score 14 pts & beat an opponent with a good offense.

No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:00 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

I am a little frustrated with how badly people don't understand our defense.

If our defense wasn't good, we don't win seven games this season.

ULM, we overcame the loss of three starters for the season, and they only scored in the first half off the drive set up by one of those injuries.

UCLA, the turnovers we caused won the game.

UCF, five turnovers, most in the redzone sealed that game. Two blown plays, also overcoming more injuries were their big plays. We still played well enough to win that game if the offense doesn't self-destruct.

Navy, we start the game with a turnover inside our 15. Had we not caused multiple turnovers, we don't win. Second lowest offensive output of the season. We also held them more than 100 yards under their season average (Better than Notre Dame).

Houston. We would've only given up 7 points in the first half had it not been two turnovers inside our own 30. In the second half, none of our drives lasted more than 2:15. We were on the field almost the whole second half, not to mention the majority of the first.

Tulane, we were up 35-0 and they had 32 total yards. Yes, we took the foot off the gas and played backups possibly too early, but it was total domination in the first half.

Tulsa and ECU were total dominance. SMU, at least 21 of their points were absolutely horrible calls by the refs that either kept drives alive or GAVE them 50 yards of a 62 yard drive.

Yes, statistically our defense is bad, but 1) it doesn't take into account how many of those yards were gained after the game was mostly decided and 2) doesn't account for all the injuries we've had this season. How many players on our defense didn't miss time this season... FIVE! Everyone else on the 1 or 2 deep missed time due to injuries and three due to targeting.

Point is, I think our defense has allowed enough points to say we will have to outscore the opposition to win. Doesn't mean our D doesn't get a crucial stop here & there but I don't think anyone is under the allusion we can score 14 pts & beat an opponent with a good offense.

No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

Umm, facts?

Points allowed
29 (ULM in a monsoon)
45
31 (Southern Illinois)
40
31
27
38
26
14
45
13
62

That averages out to over 33 points per game allowed. It is not a stretch to assume we need 42+ to beat Iowa State.

(12-18-2017 02:49 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:27 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

You sure you want this?

That was going to be my next issue to discuss, Refs! It can bring a VERY interesting dynamic to this game! I'm curious and may even be concerned...

If we have Big 12 refs, you have nothing to fear. They live to **** us.