The problem I have is that accepting mediocrity--or in the case of 2017 Rice football, much worse--is the mark of a fan base that des not care about winning. I'm going to be there no matter what is commendable. But I can't do that. I'm not a fair weather fan--I sat through the 1980s. But at some point a signal has to be sent--and from all appearances was, and successfully so. I never canceled my Owl Club membership or my season tickets--like Walt, I just could not bring myself to do so. But when the product is unwatchable, and I'm over an hour away and have other things to do, I am not going to spend time traveling and watching. I saw enough on TV, starting with the first quarter in Sydney, to know how bad the product was. I think we will see a totally different product next year, and I hope to enjoy many more years of supporting it.
I've said it before to those who say negative comments on here hurt recruiting. Recruits know we are 1-11, and if they are reading this board at all then they know that other teams' boards blow up with disgust long before things get to that point. They also know that other schools are telling them Rice doesn't care about winning football. Going on a board when we are 1-11 (or 3-9, or 2-10, or 4-8) and seeing people acting as if that's wonderful because Bailiff is a "nice guy" who "gets Rice" tells them that Rice is okay with losing, which is the same as not caring about winning.
O have been on both camps. I have long advocated supporting the program, not predicating support on results. To withhold support in order to help the program is akin, in my estimation, to a wife withholding sex in order to spice up their marriage.
But when push came to shove last year, there were a lot of factors that went into my my renew/don't renew decision, and the idea that my little cancellation might be the last straw in moving the program down the line was actually the last straw in my decision to not renew. Kind of like an experiment. And apparently it worked. Everybody knows that if I had renewed, Bailiff would still be coach.
But I did not lightly leave the program, nor will I lightly return. I want winning, not a different face in the coach's office. Bailiff's firing was NOT the end product for me, nor was Bloomgren's hiring. We need to improve on a guy who had two ten win seasons and a conference championship. So far, all we have is a new guy preaching hope and change. I may be back when a positive slope is demonstrated. I may not. But whether or not I have season tickets or come to games, I will remain a fan of the Rice Owls, regardless of who is their coach or who they play.
We really need to stop trying to tell people how to be fans around here. There is no f-ing guidebook for it and any argument on this is pointless.
I respect the path others took by stopping season tickets/Owl Club/whatever. I disagreed with it and took a different route, but it was their way of showing their displeasure. It didn't make them "not Rice fans". While I may not agree with that group's opinions on things at times, no one can say they aren't passionate supporters of the Owls and want what is best.
What matters now is getting people who did that back on board financially and funneling that passion into pushing the school to make Rice Athletics the best that it can be.
(12-18-2017 10:01 AM)d1owls4life Wrote: We really need to stop trying to tell people how to be fans around here. There is no f-ing guidebook for it and any argument on this is pointless.
(12-16-2017 09:39 PM)Ourland Wrote: I've never left Rice Football and I never will. Thanks be to all the warriors who were there for these exceptional student athletes all season long, but especially in the end against North Texas. Your support is enduring. It's not dependent on any childish demands being met. More power to you, and long live Rice Football. Lets go win a national Championship!
"Let's go win a national championship"? Who's being "childish" now? It was the university's lack of responsiveness to what you view as "childish" demands to quit accepting mediocrity that have led us to a place where your heroes literally could not even play for, much less win, a national championship even if we won every game on our schedule.
It's your right to enjoy this embarrassing, ghettoized level of competition we've been walled off to, but I can do without the denigration of those who haven't been as uncritically accepting of the descent to these depths.
That can't be your best attempt to explain away the fact that you're a fair weather fan. There's supposed to be honor in that? You abandoned your team. You withheld your financial and physical support because you were sick of a coach. It doesn't get much worse than that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Don't call yourself a Rice fan, because you're not when the chips are down.
Give me a break. And who are YOU to determine who is and who isn't a true and loyal Rice fan? You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the fandom and the loyalty of long-standing fans and alums just because you disagree with their form of protest. I'm a lifelong NY Mets and NY Football Giants fan, but I stopped watching them this year because they were unbearable to watch. Does that make me a fair weather fan? I still followed their scores each game. Getting back to the Owls and Rice football in particular, to many fans, withholding financial support and giving up their season tickets was viewed as a "last resort" effort to send a message to the Athletic Department...and you better believe JK, Tanner, Shu, Josh, Brian and everyone else in the athletic department were well aware of the impact on season ticket sales (and not just of football) and Owl Club donations. Personally, I chose not to impact the other sports and student-athletes by reducing my gifts to the Owl Club and other sports SIGs, but I held out in renewing my football season tickets last year in protest (and made it very clear why I was doing so)...though I finally gave in and purchased the cheapy GA season tickets at the end of the Summer.
Bottom line-- I don't disparage those fans who I believe are drinking the kool-ade, and never have anything critical to say about any team or any coach. I often disagree with them, and provide arguments and rationale why I do so, but I don't resort to personal attacks.
Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
(12-16-2017 09:39 PM)Ourland Wrote: I've never left Rice Football and I never will. Thanks be to all the warriors who were there for these exceptional student athletes all season long, but especially in the end against North Texas. Your support is enduring. It's not dependent on any childish demands being met. More power to you, and long live Rice Football. Lets go win a national Championship!
"Let's go win a national championship"? Who's being "childish" now? It was the university's lack of responsiveness to what you view as "childish" demands to quit accepting mediocrity that have led us to a place where your heroes literally could not even play for, much less win, a national championship even if we won every game on our schedule.
It's your right to enjoy this embarrassing, ghettoized level of competition we've been walled off to, but I can do without the denigration of those who haven't been as uncritically accepting of the descent to these depths.
That can't be your best attempt to explain away the fact that you're a fair weather fan. There's supposed to be honor in that? You abandoned your team. You withheld your financial and physical support because you were sick of a coach. It doesn't get much worse than that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Don't call yourself a Rice fan, because you're not when the chips are down.
Let's get this straight: It was *never* about the coach, not for me anyway. It was about the people in charge of my alma mater neglecting the program and allowing it to sink to a level of competition that embarrasses this university. If they weren't going to make the effort, then they weren't going to get my support. I fail to see why it is my responsibility to reward apathy and neglect and incompetence with my dollars.
You're the epitome of the frog who sat in the slowly heating pot of water until it was too late. You sat there in HRS proudly going rah-rah-rah year after year while we went from playing Texas & Texas A&M & Arkansas to UTEP & New Mexico to Tulsa & SMU to, at long last, F_U and Old Dominion and La. Tech and 9 other schools that we have ZERO in common with. How this level reflects well on Rice University is beyond me. You clearly have no problem with Rice accepting its demotion to this infantilized "G5" and what is quite possibly the worst conference in history, and I'm sure the university has been happy to take your money all along the way, but if we ever improve our lot my gratitude will go to the people who finally stopped saying "thank you sir, may I have another?" and spurred change.
(12-17-2017 05:51 PM)illiniowl Wrote: [quote='Ourland' pid='14902982' dateline='1513478384']
I've never left Rice Football and I never will. Thanks be to all the warriors who were there for these exceptional student athletes all season long, but especially in the end against North Texas. Your support is enduring. It's not dependent on any childish demands being met. More power to you, and long live Rice Football. Lets go win a national Championship!
"Let's go win a national championship"? Who's being "childish" now? It was the university's lack of responsiveness to what you view as "childish" demands to quit accepting mediocrity that have led us to a place where your heroes literally could not even play for, much less win, a national championship even if we won every game on our schedule.
It's your right to enjoy this embarrassing, ghettoized level of competition we've been walled off to, but I can do without the denigration of those who haven't been as uncritically accepting of the descent to these depths.
That can't be your best attempt to explain away the fact that you're a fair weather fan. There's supposed to be honor in that? You abandoned your team. You withheld your financial and physical support because you were sick of a coach. It doesn't get much worse than that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Don't call yourself a Rice fan, because you're not when the chips are down.
Let's get this straight: It was *never* about the coach, not for me anyway. It was about the people in charge of my alma mater neglecting the program and allowing it to sink to a level of competition that embarrasses this university. If they weren't going to make the effort, then they weren't going to get my support. I fail to see why it is my responsibility to reward apathy and neglect and incompetence with my dollars.
You're the epitome of the frog who sat in the slowly heating pot of water until it was too late. You sat there in HRS proudly going rah-rah-rah year after year while we went from playing Texas & Texas A&M & Arkansas to UTEP & New Mexico to Tulsa & SMU to, at long last, F_U and Old Dominion and La. Tech and 9 other schools that we have ZERO in common with. How this level reflects well on Rice University is beyond me. You clearly have no problem with Rice accepting its demotion to this infantilized "G5" and what is quite possibly the worst conference in history, and I'm sure the university has been happy to take your money all along the way, but if we ever improve our lot my gratitude will go to the people who finally stopped saying "thank you sir, may I have another?" and spurred change
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You didn't "spur" anything, and you better blame every Rice BOT for the past 45 years for Rice's lowly place in intercollegiate athletics, not Joe Karlgaard and the athletics administration. Karlgaard is the first person to actually invoke change for a very long time at Rice. He clearly wanted Bailiff gone after 2016, and we all knew his time would soon be up, but you decided to stop supporting anyway. You mostly punished the two entities at Rice that we should be lifting up, the players and a very capable athletics administration staff that's trying to lead us out of this awful mess. Good job.
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2017 01:04 PM by Ourland.)
(12-17-2017 05:51 PM)illiniowl Wrote: "Let's go win a national championship"? Who's being "childish" now? It was the university's lack of responsiveness to what you view as "childish" demands to quit accepting mediocrity that have led us to a place where your heroes literally could not even play for, much less win, a national championship even if we won every game on our schedule.
It's your right to enjoy this embarrassing, ghettoized level of competition we've been walled off to, but I can do without the denigration of those who haven't been as uncritically accepting of the descent to these depths.
That can't be your best attempt to explain away the fact that you're a fair weather fan. There's supposed to be honor in that? You abandoned your team. You withheld your financial and physical support because you were sick of a coach. It doesn't get much worse than that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Don't call yourself a Rice fan, because you're not when the chips are down.
Give me a break. And who are YOU to determine who is and who isn't a true and loyal Rice fan? You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the fandom and the loyalty of long-standing fans and alums just because you disagree with their form of protest. I'm a lifelong NY Mets and NY Football Giants fan, but I stopped watching them this year because they were unbearable to watch. Does that make me a fair weather fan? I still followed their scores each game. Getting back to the Owls and Rice football in particular, to many fans, withholding financial support and giving up their season tickets was viewed as a "last resort" effort to send a message to the Athletic Department...and you better believe JK, Tanner, Shu, Josh, Brian and everyone else in the athletic department were well aware of the impact on season ticket sales (and not just of football) and Owl Club donations. Personally, I chose not to impact the other sports and student-athletes by reducing my gifts to the Owl Club and other sports SIGs, but I held out in renewing my football season tickets last year in protest (and made it very clear why I was doing so)...though I finally gave in and purchased the cheapy GA season tickets at the end of the Summer.
Bottom line-- I don't disparage those fans who I believe are drinking the kool-ade, and never have anything critical to say about any team or any coach. I often disagree with them, and provide arguments and rationale why I do so, but I don't resort to personal attacks.
Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
(12-17-2017 08:42 PM)Ourland Wrote: That can't be your best attempt to explain away the fact that you're a fair weather fan. There's supposed to be honor in that? You abandoned your team. You withheld your financial and physical support because you were sick of a coach. It doesn't get much worse than that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Don't call yourself a Rice fan, because you're not when the chips are down.
Give me a break. And who are YOU to determine who is and who isn't a true and loyal Rice fan? You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the fandom and the loyalty of long-standing fans and alums just because you disagree with their form of protest. I'm a lifelong NY Mets and NY Football Giants fan, but I stopped watching them this year because they were unbearable to watch. Does that make me a fair weather fan? I still followed their scores each game. Getting back to the Owls and Rice football in particular, to many fans, withholding financial support and giving up their season tickets was viewed as a "last resort" effort to send a message to the Athletic Department...and you better believe JK, Tanner, Shu, Josh, Brian and everyone else in the athletic department were well aware of the impact on season ticket sales (and not just of football) and Owl Club donations. Personally, I chose not to impact the other sports and student-athletes by reducing my gifts to the Owl Club and other sports SIGs, but I held out in renewing my football season tickets last year in protest (and made it very clear why I was doing so)...though I finally gave in and purchased the cheapy GA season tickets at the end of the Summer.
Bottom line-- I don't disparage those fans who I believe are drinking the kool-ade, and never have anything critical to say about any team or any coach. I often disagree with them, and provide arguments and rationale why I do so, but I don't resort to personal attacks.
Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
So you basically concede you are incapable of rational thought and decision making that isn't in line with what you have always done?
Noted.
Also, the Prince of Nigeria will give you 10 million dollars if you wire him 100 grand. I'd recommend looking into this.
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2017 01:27 PM by Antarius.)
(12-17-2017 10:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote: Give me a break. And who are YOU to determine who is and who isn't a true and loyal Rice fan? You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the fandom and the loyalty of long-standing fans and alums just because you disagree with their form of protest. I'm a lifelong NY Mets and NY Football Giants fan, but I stopped watching them this year because they were unbearable to watch. Does that make me a fair weather fan? I still followed their scores each game. Getting back to the Owls and Rice football in particular, to many fans, withholding financial support and giving up their season tickets was viewed as a "last resort" effort to send a message to the Athletic Department...and you better believe JK, Tanner, Shu, Josh, Brian and everyone else in the athletic department were well aware of the impact on season ticket sales (and not just of football) and Owl Club donations. Personally, I chose not to impact the other sports and student-athletes by reducing my gifts to the Owl Club and other sports SIGs, but I held out in renewing my football season tickets last year in protest (and made it very clear why I was doing so)...though I finally gave in and purchased the cheapy GA season tickets at the end of the Summer.
Bottom line-- I don't disparage those fans who I believe are drinking the kool-ade, and never have anything critical to say about any team or any coach. I often disagree with them, and provide arguments and rationale why I do so, but I don't resort to personal attacks.
Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
So you basically concede you are incapable of rational thought and decision making that isn't in line with what you have always done?
Noted.
Also, the Prince of Nigeria will give you 10 million dollars if you wire him 100 grand. I'd recommend looking into this.
That's funny. What I "concede" is that I'll always be a fan, no matter the coach or the admin in charge. I can't stay away, and I never will. You should try it sometime. It's called 'being loyal.'
(12-18-2017 03:25 AM)Ourland Wrote: Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
So you basically concede you are incapable of rational thought and decision making that isn't in line with what you have always done?
Noted.
Also, the Prince of Nigeria will give you 10 million dollars if you wire him 100 grand. I'd recommend looking into this.
That's funny. What I "concede" is that I'll always be a fan, no matter the coach or the admin in charge. I can't stay away, and I never will. You should try it sometime. It's called 'being loyal.'
(12-18-2017 03:25 AM)Ourland Wrote: Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
So you basically concede you are incapable of rational thought and decision making that isn't in line with what you have always done?
Noted.
Also, the Prince of Nigeria will give you 10 million dollars if you wire him 100 grand. I'd recommend looking into this.
That's funny. What I "concede" is that I'll always be a fan, no matter the coach or the admin in charge. I can't stay away, and I never will. You should try it sometime. It's called 'being loyal.'
What you don't seem to understand, is the same is true for all of us. No one here said, f-this I'm cheering on UT or Ohio State from now on. We all remained fans, followed the games etc.
That is different from blindly throwing money in the name of support. We support Rice by withholding - to send a message that Bailiff needed to go. That doesn't makes us less loyal. Sorry. Nice try. Now that he is gone, we are back.
And no - we haven't won a single game under Bloomgren yet, so also nice try with the bandwagon shade.
(This post was last modified: 12-18-2017 02:06 PM by Antarius.)
(12-17-2017 08:42 PM)Ourland Wrote: That can't be your best attempt to explain away the fact that you're a fair weather fan. There's supposed to be honor in that? You abandoned your team. You withheld your financial and physical support because you were sick of a coach. It doesn't get much worse than that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Don't call yourself a Rice fan, because you're not when the chips are down.
Give me a break. And who are YOU to determine who is and who isn't a true and loyal Rice fan? You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the fandom and the loyalty of long-standing fans and alums just because you disagree with their form of protest. I'm a lifelong NY Mets and NY Football Giants fan, but I stopped watching them this year because they were unbearable to watch. Does that make me a fair weather fan? I still followed their scores each game. Getting back to the Owls and Rice football in particular, to many fans, withholding financial support and giving up their season tickets was viewed as a "last resort" effort to send a message to the Athletic Department...and you better believe JK, Tanner, Shu, Josh, Brian and everyone else in the athletic department were well aware of the impact on season ticket sales (and not just of football) and Owl Club donations. Personally, I chose not to impact the other sports and student-athletes by reducing my gifts to the Owl Club and other sports SIGs, but I held out in renewing my football season tickets last year in protest (and made it very clear why I was doing so)...though I finally gave in and purchased the cheapy GA season tickets at the end of the Summer.
Bottom line-- I don't disparage those fans who I believe are drinking the kool-ade, and never have anything critical to say about any team or any coach. I often disagree with them, and provide arguments and rationale why I do so, but I don't resort to personal attacks.
Someone better disparage them. It makes it particularly bothersome when fans leave at a school like Rice, where the student-athletes have such character. Withholding support from them in any way affects them directly. Isn't it bad enough that our team plays in front of an empty stadium even when they're winning? Fans need to be at the games when their team needs them the most, and they needed all of us there this past season. It's very disappointing, and I don't care if the "lesser" fans here are upset at me for saying it. Get your acts together!
This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
Um, who exactly is withholding money? Again, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And I'm not a "real fan" like you because I choose to spend my discretionary money on supporting my alma mater and their athletic teams? I'm confused.
(12-18-2017 10:29 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: This "lesser fan" will be flying down to Houston the first week in January to watch the CUSA home openers for both MBB and women's basketball. One question to a "real fan" like yourself-- how many games each year (across all Rice sports) do you road trip and spend money on airfare and hotels? I attend 30 - 40 such games annually, including at least one road series each year in baseball and football, and all post-season games. Lesser fan? Seriously?
I'm glad you have the kind of wealth that enables you to fly everywhere and stay in nice hotels so you can see Rice play. Congratulations. I'm not nearly as well off, and I can't attend but about 10-15 football and men's basketball games a year. Even though that's the case, I'll never stop spending the little bit of hard-earned money that I do have in support of the players. I'll always be there, especially when things aren't going well. I think that places a guy like myself in stark contrast to someone who actually has money, but decides to withhold it because he's mad at the guys at the top.
So you basically concede you are incapable of rational thought and decision making that isn't in line with what you have always done?
Noted.
Also, the Prince of Nigeria will give you 10 million dollars if you wire him 100 grand. I'd recommend looking into this.
That's funny. What I "concede" is that I'll always be a fan, no matter the coach or the admin in charge. I can't stay away, and I never will. You should try it sometime. It's called 'being loyal.'
Seriously, just stop.
I'm finished. I'm not here to make enemies, and this isn't a mantle I want to carry, but there has to be pushback on this, even if it's from me. To most of us here, Rice is our alma mater. There should be a strong enough connection to the university that prevents fans from leaving like they did. There will be losing seasons at Rice in the future, and when it happens, I hope you guys don't skip town again.
