(12-15-2017 06:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Three guesses.
Who is Lisa Bloom' s mother?

Gloria Alread...of course

(12-15-2017 12:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Do you think Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones et all were paid for their story?

The Arkansas State Police kept them quiet and wouldn't investigate.

Later, Hillary got the FBI corrupted for the same purposes.

(12-15-2017 09:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Do you think Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones et all were paid for their story?

The Arkansas State Police kept them quiet and wouldn't investigate.

Later, Hillary got the FBI corrupted for the same purposes.

Media was strong armed by Carvil and Georgy. War Room clips illustrates manipulation. Some say it’s how the sausage is made. Assaud in Syria makes the same sausage as the boys in the War Room.

How many die-hard Democrats do you think you could get to make up a story for 750k?
Did they have auditions?

Whats funny is that it was one of Bloom's supposed accusers who blew the whistle on all of this. This woman was apparently pursued by Trump years ago. When she asked Trump to stop, she said he stopped. And this woman voted for Trump. Bloom didnt care about that, she just wanted the number of women in the group to go up so she could keep getting 33% of the residuals of all of their stories.

Yep, Lisa Bloom kept telling the public she was working "pro Bono" on this, when in fact each of the women were to sign contracts that Lisa would receive 33% of the residuals from their stories and appearances. And she kept hitting up Clinton donors and the DNC to fund it. All while getting a 33% cut.

When Bloom decided to defend Weinstein, and tried to pay off women who he had harassed and assaulted, this particular woman decided to blow the whistle on Bloom.

There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.

You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

Lots of people walk through those dressing rooms. Got any quotes on saying he saw them naked (and not just switching costumes) or that he said he went in there and gawked at them? I think you are getting your facts confused or just taking what you see on social media as fact.

(12-16-2017 12:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.
You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you rank his indiscretions compared to Ted "Blonde in the Pond" Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Franken, and Roy Moore?

Not trying to evade at ll, I just think we need some perspective. Copping a look or feel is different from actually raping someone. Both are bad. I'm just saying we need to draw a line at what we will let people get away with, and what we won't. And then we need to apply that consistently. So what is your line?

(12-16-2017 12:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.

You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

And you have to be pretty naïve or tribal to buy all of this 100%.
He's a bit of an arrogant jerk. He likes beautiful women. But there's no indication he's a Harvey Weinstein and little credible that he is someone like Franken who continues after no.

(12-16-2017 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 12:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.
You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you rank his indiscretions compared to Ted "Blonde in the Pond" Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Roy Moore?

Not trying to evade at ll, I just think we need some perspective. Copping a look or feel is different from actually raping someone. Both are bad. I'm just saying we need to draw a line at what we will let people get away with, and what we won't. And then we need to apply that consistently. So what is your line?

A lot of Democrats think Democrats can get away with anything short of rape, but Republicans can't get away with asking someone for a date.

You also have to delineate what you believe.
Its a fact that Kennedy left that woman there to die to protect his reputation. There's some other pretty nasty stuff about him short of rape that is credible.
Clinton's rape/assault/sexual harassment charges (many of them) are pretty believable.
Moore's credible critics have him dating a 14 year old. The assault charges are simply Allred material. He clearly regularly dated 16 and 17 year olds when he was in his 30s.

(12-16-2017 12:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

Lots of people walk through those dressing rooms. Got any quotes on saying he saw them naked (and not just switching costumes) or that he said he went in there and gawked at them? I think you are getting your facts confused or just taking what you see on social media as fact.

Well he says there are no men walking around in the dressing room accept for him. He says he saw them naked and implies that he has sex with them. Hear for yourself.
https://youtu.be/kikTv0I8XVw

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

And now Trump is blatantly lying and saying it wasn’t him on the Access Hollywood tape... because he knows many of his backers will believe him.

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

Talking shite. Half the posters on this board would be in jail if talking shite was a crime..

Democrats are for nothing

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

There is a long list of women who have stated he has followed through on his verbal exploits.

(12-16-2017 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 12:01 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 11:43 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  There is one big problem. Trump admitted to much of this already. He went into the beauty pageant dressing rooms and gawked at the girls. He told a national audience this. He is on tape telling Billy Bush he could grab women by the *****, kiss them without warning and just generally act like a drunk high school jock at a party. He is a witness against himself.

But words don't prove conduct. He's a blowhard braggart. We know that. We also knew that a lot of locker room bragging about sexual exploits were things that never really happened. At least that was true in the locker rooms where I was, admittedly at least in part because I was there.

He said he walked in on the girls in the changing rooms and looked at them naked. Numerous contestants confirmed that he did this when they were there. Miss NC was one that spoke up about this. So you have his word and the word of others. He claimed he grabbed women by the ***** and we have several women that say that they had their ***** grabbed by him. One in particular that says she was in Studio 54 sitting down beside some guy she didn't know and before she knew what was happening he had run his hand up her leg and was trying to finger her. She grabbed his hand and got up as fast as she could and got away from him. She told others what had just happened and was told that that was Donald Trump. Her story isn't unique. He says he just comes up to women and starts kissing them because he can. Numerous women relate this story, including a former Fox news reporter that said she got on an elevator with him and he just starts trying to kiss her.
You have to be pretty naive or tribal to discount all of this.

On a scale of 1 to 10, where do you rank his indiscretions compared to Ted "Blonde in the Pond" Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Al Franken, and Roy Moore?

Not trying to evade at ll, I just think we need some perspective. Copping a look or feel is different from actually raping someone. Both are bad. I'm just saying we need to draw a line at what we will let people get away with, and what we won't. And then we need to apply that consistently. So what is your line?

Well Trump is accused of more than groping but it remains to be seen if those more serious accusations have merit. It has been alleged that he raped a teenager.

Clinton has been accused of rape as well, but again the merit of the accusation is in question. He definitely used his power to manipulate and take advantage of women sexually.

Kennedy. The death of Mary Jo K. puts him in a category all his own.

Haster (spell) is a child molester so he goes in there with Kennedy.

Moore is simply put a pervert. A grown ass man that chases 14-18 year old girls, and they are girls, not women has mental / social / emotional issues that should have been addressed long ago. He had grabby hands as well while presenting himself as someone with high moral values. He used his power to try and get what he wanted.

Craig from a few years back is another pervert. He can be bisexual or homosexual all he wants but sex with random strangers in public places is sick.

Franken needed to keep his hands off women. It is bad but not as bad as some of the others.

The use of position / power for sex is the big issue. They all need to be called out and face consequences. Lock the rapists up, kick the grabbers out or don't allow them in. But of course that is much easier said than done and there will be shades of gray that make it difficult to judge fairly. That doesn't mean we do nothing however.

Hannity's coverage of this last night was great. The offers increased in the run up to the election from $10,000 to $750,000 two days out from the election. Bloom is caught saying that "we're running out of time", strongly indicating that it was ENTIRELY political.

How much you wanna bet Moore's accusers were paid too