(10-30-2017 02:59 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:26 PM)Tigx Wrote:  There you go with you stats manipulation again, Saluki.

Gordon is a career 16.7 ppg player. You use the career average ppg for McLemore (actually 9.4 ppg), and 6 the games this season for Gordon. Ridiculous. Why do you keep on doing this?

And yes, with CP3 and Gordon out, the Rockets were disadvantaged. But we had two starters and 3 total rotation guys out - JMyke, Selden and McLemore. JMyke especially is crucial to our team D, and Harrison is a negative player this year. Rockets were missing more, but it's much closer than you imply.

BS. It's not stats manipulation. I'm sure the trade of off not having CP3 and Gordon is just a bit more important than not having Green and McLemore.

Obviously it is stats manipulation, and you do it all the time, almost always to try to make a negative point about the Grizz or Tubby. Just weird.

You used a 6 game, historically off the charts average for Gordon, and the career average for McLemore.

Houston won 55 games last year without CP3. Still had Harden and Ariza and Capela and Anderson when they played us. Grizz deservedly have gotten credit from just about everyone for these 2 wins.

WGAF about the "career" stat of McLemore. I can't use his "current" stats because he hasn't played. I didn't use his 8 ppg from last year either.

Gordon has stepped up in the absence of CP3 and is scoring more. Sorry I used the most cuurent, available metric to gauge his worth to his team THIS YEAR. Omigod!!

Total, 100% B.S. You got caught, again, playing games with statistics to make an invalid point.

Gordon is an oft-injured, 3 point shooting 6th man who the Rockets shopped this summer. Considered a disappointment for years in New Orleans, played 9, 42 and 45 total games in 3 of his 5 years in NO. You overrate his strong year last season. 16 career ppg versus 9.4 for McLemore. Not near the difference you imply.

And most would say that JMyke is our 3rd best and 3rd most important player.

Quit stretching the truth and people will quit calling you out for it.

Whatever, man.

You get peeved because I note that CP3 and Gordon were both out of last game.

To your chagrin I noted Gordon as a 24 ppg player (his average this year) instead of by his 16 ppg career average (still really good, btw). And then because I label McLemore as a 9 ppg player instead of a) as a 9.4 ppg player, b) as a 0.0 ppg player this year, or c) as an 8.1 ppg player (from last year).

In other words, you are just trying to argue to argue.

Now you are adding new arguments that 16 ppg isn't much different than 9.5 ppg. Jeezus. What are you on right now?

Jermychael is a nice player and all, but his loss isn't catastrophic. Martin and Wright are close enough that his dropoff isn't deadly to the team.

Evans has been a savior and should be getting more PT.

(10-30-2017 03:02 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  as there is with most everything in life

enjoy the run,,,,,you'll have plenty of time to trash the team after losing streaks, and of course at the end of the season when they a) miss the playoffs or b) make the PO's, but don't win a 'ship

Whatever.

Not trashing a thing. If you guys are mad because you think I spoiled your circle jerk--I'm sorry. I didn't realize noting the Rockets were down some valuable pieces was a war crime.

I wasn't trying to create a circle jerk, Mr. Saluki.

Sorry if you took it that way. And I'm not mad. Hope you're not either sir.

(10-30-2017 03:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  I wasn't trying to create a circle jerk, Mr. Saluki.

Sorry if you took it that way. And I'm not mad. Hope you're not either sir.

I'm furious.

And if I were a cat I'd be furrious.

Take it easy.

(10-30-2017 03:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:59 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  BS. It's not stats manipulation. I'm sure the trade of off not having CP3 and Gordon is just a bit more important than not having Green and McLemore.

Obviously it is stats manipulation, and you do it all the time, almost always to try to make a negative point about the Grizz or Tubby. Just weird.

You used a 6 game, historically off the charts average for Gordon, and the career average for McLemore.

Houston won 55 games last year without CP3. Still had Harden and Ariza and Capela and Anderson when they played us. Grizz deservedly have gotten credit from just about everyone for these 2 wins.

WGAF about the "career" stat of McLemore. I can't use his "current" stats because he hasn't played. I didn't use his 8 ppg from last year either.

Gordon has stepped up in the absence of CP3 and is scoring more. Sorry I used the most cuurent, available metric to gauge his worth to his team THIS YEAR. Omigod!!

Total, 100% B.S. You got caught, again, playing games with statistics to make an invalid point.

Gordon is an oft-injured, 3 point shooting 6th man who the Rockets shopped this summer. Considered a disappointment for years in New Orleans, played 9, 42 and 45 total games in 3 of his 5 years in NO. You overrate his strong year last season. 16 career ppg versus 9.4 for McLemore. Not near the difference you imply.

And most would say that JMyke is our 3rd best and 3rd most important player.

Quit stretching the truth and people will quit calling you out for it.

To your chagrin I noted Gordon as a 24 ppg player (his average this year) instead of by his 16 ppg career average (still really good, btw).
Now you are adding new arguments that 16 ppg isn't much different than 9.5 ppg. Jeezus. What are you on right now?

Jermychael is a nice player and all, but his loss isn't catastrophic. Martin and Wright are close enough that his dropoff isn't deadly to the team.

My chagrin? Dude, you are a trip.

Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is.

And Jarell was about to get cut 3 weeks ago, is nowhere near the player JMkye is. Have you actually watched the Grizz play any the last 2 years?

Keep being you, Saluki.

(10-30-2017 03:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 03:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:59 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Obviously it is stats manipulation, and you do it all the time, almost always to try to make a negative point about the Grizz or Tubby. Just weird.

You used a 6 game, historically off the charts average for Gordon, and the career average for McLemore.

Houston won 55 games last year without CP3. Still had Harden and Ariza and Capela and Anderson when they played us. Grizz deservedly have gotten credit from just about everyone for these 2 wins.

WGAF about the "career" stat of McLemore. I can't use his "current" stats because he hasn't played. I didn't use his 8 ppg from last year either.

Gordon has stepped up in the absence of CP3 and is scoring more. Sorry I used the most cuurent, available metric to gauge his worth to his team THIS YEAR. Omigod!!

Total, 100% B.S. You got caught, again, playing games with statistics to make an invalid point.

Gordon is an oft-injured, 3 point shooting 6th man who the Rockets shopped this summer. Considered a disappointment for years in New Orleans, played 9, 42 and 45 total games in 3 of his 5 years in NO. You overrate his strong year last season. 16 career ppg versus 9.4 for McLemore. Not near the difference you imply.

And most would say that JMyke is our 3rd best and 3rd most important player.

Quit stretching the truth and people will quit calling you out for it.

To your chagrin I noted Gordon as a 24 ppg player (his average this year) instead of by his 16 ppg career average (still really good, btw).
Now you are adding new arguments that 16 ppg isn't much different than 9.5 ppg. Jeezus. What are you on right now?

Jermychael is a nice player and all, but his loss isn't catastrophic. Martin and Wright are close enough that his dropoff isn't deadly to the team.

My chagrin? Dude, you are a trip.

Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is.

And Jarell was about to get cut 3 weeks ago, is nowhere near the player JMkye is. Have you actually watched the Grizz play any the last 2 years?

Keep being you, Saluki.

You bet. I'll keep being right and leave hot takes and emotion to the fanboys.

The CBS Power Rankings jinx strikes again.

(10-30-2017 03:50 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 03:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 03:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:59 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  WGAF about the "career" stat of McLemore. I can't use his "current" stats because he hasn't played. I didn't use his 8 ppg from last year either.

Gordon has stepped up in the absence of CP3 and is scoring more. Sorry I used the most cuurent, available metric to gauge his worth to his team THIS YEAR. Omigod!!

Total, 100% B.S. You got caught, again, playing games with statistics to make an invalid point.

Gordon is an oft-injured, 3 point shooting 6th man who the Rockets shopped this summer. Considered a disappointment for years in New Orleans, played 9, 42 and 45 total games in 3 of his 5 years in NO. You overrate his strong year last season. 16 career ppg versus 9.4 for McLemore. Not near the difference you imply.

And most would say that JMyke is our 3rd best and 3rd most important player.

Quit stretching the truth and people will quit calling you out for it.

To your chagrin I noted Gordon as a 24 ppg player (his average this year) instead of by his 16 ppg career average (still really good, btw).
Now you are adding new arguments that 16 ppg isn't much different than 9.5 ppg. Jeezus. What are you on right now?

Jermychael is a nice player and all, but his loss isn't catastrophic. Martin and Wright are close enough that his dropoff isn't deadly to the team.

My chagrin? Dude, you are a trip.

Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is.

And Jarell was about to get cut 3 weeks ago, is nowhere near the player JMkye is. Have you actually watched the Grizz play any the last 2 years?

Keep being you, Saluki.

You bet. I'll keep being right and leave hot takes and emotion to the fanboys.

You have to be right once to keep being right. You keep fudging stats, and the board will keep calling you out for it.

(10-30-2017 10:22 PM)UofMark Wrote:  The CBS Power Rankings jinx strikes again.

My thoughts too. Need to get back on track with Orlando tomorrow.

Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans, Portland and Denver all lost to Eastern teams last night as well

(10-31-2017 08:52 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  Houston, San Antonio, New Orleans, Portland and Denver all lost to Eastern teams last night as well

And the T'Wolves won in OT vs. Miami, so almost had another West loss. Fun to root against all these West teams who will probably be competing with us for a playoff spot.

Clips lost as well, love how much the Warriors hate the Clippers.

Start a 5-game road trip after the Orlando game tomorrow, need to get that win to get to 6-2.

(10-30-2017 02:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:26 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:04 PM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  We're starting Andrew Harrison at the 2 and winning, therefore, any and all arguments about a superstar not playing for the opposing team is irrelevant (especially when they haven't lost a game without him all season, excluding to us, of course).

The Rockets had CP3 and Gordon in their win vs. GSW. Otherwise they have beaten Sac, Dallas, Philly, and Charlotte--who are a combined 7-18 this year.

And certainly you are not comparing not putting CP3 AND Eric Gordon (who averaged 25 ppg) on the floor vs. not having Ben McLemore (career 9ppg player).

There you go with you stats manipulation again, Saluki.

Gordon is a career 16.7 ppg player. You use the career average ppg for McLemore (actually 9.4 ppg), and 6 the games this season for Gordon. Ridiculous. Why do you keep on doing this?

And yes, with CP3 and Gordon out, the Rockets were disadvantaged. But we had two starters and 3 total rotation guys out - JMyke, Selden and McLemore. JMyke especially is crucial to our team D, and Harrison is a negative player this year. Rockets were missing more, but it's much closer than you imply.

BS. It's not stats manipulation. I'm sure the trade of off not having CP3 and Gordon is just a bit more important than not having Green and McLemore.

Obviously it is stats manipulation, and you do it all the time, almost always to try to make a negative point about the Grizz or Tubby. Just weird.

You used a 6 game, historically off the charts average for Gordon, and the career average for McLemore.

Houston won 55 games last year without CP3. Still had Harden and Ariza and Capela and Anderson when they played us. Grizz deservedly have gotten credit from just about everyone for these 2 wins.

Umm...

Eric Gordon: 19.0 ppg
Ben McLemore: 7.0 ppg

Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

(12-13-2017 10:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

Yes, McLemore would have played better if he had not broken his foot, and missed the entire pre-season to learn new players and his new team. Is this even debatable?

Bigger point of this thread, which apparently bothered Saluki because although I had completely forgotten about it, he pulled up, is it showed how Saluki for the thousandth time massages data to meet his pre-conceived conclusions. E.g., from an earlier post on this thread, "Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is." And the scary thing is that Saluki doesn't see how insane that is.

(12-13-2017 10:22 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

Yes, McLemore would have played better if he had not broken his foot, and missed the entire pre-season to learn new players and his new team. Is this even debatable?

Bigger point of this thread, which apparently bothered Saluki because although I had completely forgotten about it, he pulled up, is it showed how Saluki for the thousandth time massages data to meet his pre-conceived conclusions. E.g., from an earlier post on this thread, "Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is." And the scary thing is that Saluki doesn't see how insane that is.

No, that was your own self-induced mania.

I simply said to pump the brakes on the singular Memphis win over Houston because Houston was playing without CP3 and Gordon.

You countered with the fact Memphis was down Green and McLemore, as if that somehow evened things out.

I noted Gordon was averaging 20+ and McLemore hadn't played at all, so Gordon's absence was more debilitating in that game.

You then went on some tangent about Gordon's PPG over his career vs. this season.

I then noted, even IF you wanted to use Gordon's career ppg, missing a 15 ppg player is more important than missing a 7 ppg player.

In any event, Gordon is still playing really well and McLemore is a bum.

(12-13-2017 10:22 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

Yes, McLemore would have played better if he had not broken his foot, and missed the entire pre-season to learn new players and his new team. Is this even debatable?

Bigger point of this thread, which apparently bothered Saluki because although I had completely forgotten about it, he pulled up, is it showed how Saluki for the thousandth time massages data to meet his pre-conceived conclusions. E.g., from an earlier post on this thread, "Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is." And the scary thing is that Saluki doesn't see how insane that is.

McLemore would not be playing better. McLemore was brought in simply because Fizz wanted him.

McLemore career point avg. is 9.2
Gordon's career point avg. 16.7

Both were 7th pick overall in their respective drafts. Gordon is simply the better player

McLemore is who he is an athletic wing who can't shoot or defend very well. Very similar to Jeff Green

(12-13-2017 11:03 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:22 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

Yes, McLemore would have played better if he had not broken his foot, and missed the entire pre-season to learn new players and his new team. Is this even debatable?

Bigger point of this thread, which apparently bothered Saluki because although I had completely forgotten about it, he pulled up, is it showed how Saluki for the thousandth time massages data to meet his pre-conceived conclusions. E.g., from an earlier post on this thread, "Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is." And the scary thing is that Saluki doesn't see how insane that is.

McLemore would not be playing better. McLemore was brought in simply because Fizz wanted him.

McLemore career point avg. is 9.2
Gordon's career point avg. 16.7

Both were 7th pick overall in their respective drafts. Gordon is simply the better player

Ben wouldn't be playing better if he had not broken his foot, huh? How do know such a thing? Are you clairvoyant? Lots of people mixing fact and opinion.

And Gordon is a better player proves what, exactly?

Again, my point is Saluki fudges stats to try to prove a point - not that McLemore is better than Gordon.

(12-13-2017 11:12 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:03 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:22 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

Yes, McLemore would have played better if he had not broken his foot, and missed the entire pre-season to learn new players and his new team. Is this even debatable?

Bigger point of this thread, which apparently bothered Saluki because although I had completely forgotten about it, he pulled up, is it showed how Saluki for the thousandth time massages data to meet his pre-conceived conclusions. E.g., from an earlier post on this thread, "Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is." And the scary thing is that Saluki doesn't see how insane that is.

McLemore would not be playing better. McLemore was brought in simply because Fizz wanted him.

McLemore career point avg. is 9.2
Gordon's career point avg. 16.7

Both were 7th pick overall in their respective drafts. Gordon is simply the better player

Ben wouldn't be playing better if he had not broken his foot, huh? How do know such a thing? Are you clairvoyant? Lots of people mixing fact and opinion.

And Gordon is a better player proves what, exactly?

Again, my point is Saluki fudges stats to try to prove a point - not that McLemore is better than Gordon.

Where is this broken foot thing coming from?

Weird distraction.

Bottom line, I said pump the brakes on the quick start.



I was correct.

(12-13-2017 11:12 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 11:03 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:22 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 06:13 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Man, you are unique. Remind me when Gordon broke his foot.

Are you trying to say Mclemore would be better if he had not broken his foot?

Come on the writing has been on the wall for Ben his whole career. He's an athletic player who can't shoot or defend very well. He's mostly in the league because of his athletic ability.

Very similar to Jeff Green.

Yes, McLemore would have played better if he had not broken his foot, and missed the entire pre-season to learn new players and his new team. Is this even debatable?

Bigger point of this thread, which apparently bothered Saluki because although I had completely forgotten about it, he pulled up, is it showed how Saluki for the thousandth time massages data to meet his pre-conceived conclusions. E.g., from an earlier post on this thread, "Gordon has 498 career games to generate a scoring average. And somehow you choose the last 6. And you don't see how insane that is." And the scary thing is that Saluki doesn't see how insane that is.

McLemore would not be playing better. McLemore was brought in simply because Fizz wanted him.

McLemore career point avg. is 9.2
Gordon's career point avg. 16.7

Both were 7th pick overall in their respective drafts. Gordon is simply the better player

Ben wouldn't be playing better if he had not broken his foot, huh? How do know such a thing? Are you clairvoyant? Lots of people mixing fact and opinion.

And Gordon is a better player proves what, exactly?

Again, my point is Saluki fudges stats to try to prove a point - not that McLemore is better than Gordon.

Because his entire career so far says so.