Just wanted to add...

Getting top recruits and winning a load of games in college basketball are not necessarily correlated. When comparing Wichita State's roster to Kentucky's, images of The United States vs. N. Korea are conjured. But every time we've played them it's been about dead even. Sure a fan of Kentucky will see more acrobatic flashy plays throughout the season (and there's merit to that), but in the end, it's all about what's on the scoreboard at the final buzzer.

THIS... is why college basketball is the greatest sport on earth. Innovation and hard work still make a difference and everybody (within reason) has a shot at the title.


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(12-08-2017 12:50 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Just wanted to add...

Getting top recruits and winning a load of games in college basketball are not necessarily correlated. When comparing Wichita State's roster to Kentucky's, images of The United States vs. N. Korea are conjured. But every time we've played them it's been about dead even. Sure a fan of Kentucky will see more acrobatic flashy plays throughout the season (and there's merit to that), but in the end, it's all about what's on the scoreboard at the final buzzer.

THIS... is why college basketball is the greatest sport on earth. Innovation and hard work still make a difference and everybody (within reason) has a shot at the title.


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Our fanbase is obsessed with recruiting.

Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Tubbyville

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

I guess that's one way to define a "destination" job ...

(12-08-2017 12:26 PM)geef Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:07 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Memphis needs to hire a young successful guy from a solid mid major. Tubby Smith had a fine career but at this point he is sitting there waiting for the Spirit Horse to come take him across the lake...

Hmm. The situation and part of the name - Tub - somehow triggers a memory of another coach in another sport. Can't come up with it, though.

i blocked that out....

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

(12-10-2017 08:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

You must not have been alive for Moe Iba BB (8, 6 and 6 wins his last 3 seasons) or Larry Porter FB (2-10 and 1-11 his only 2 seasons).

(12-10-2017 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

You must not have been alive for Moe Iba BB (8, 6 and 6 wins his last 3 seasons) or Larry Porter FB (2-10 and 1-11 his only 2 seasons).

Not Iba but I was obviously here for Porter. At least Porter could recruit. Which, considering the state of the program at that time, was a real accomplishment. Tubby not only has every advantage --- Tubby is horrible at everything despite all that. Recruiting. Recruiters. Public relations. Attendance. And, worst of all, any recognition that he needs to make any changes.

(12-07-2017 10:51 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  We're not a "football school" as long as we're in the G5 under the current rules. Its basketball that we're not barred from a national championship. And we're willing to spend the money to get us there. Until that changes - its 'basketball school."

But isn't it football that pays the bills and generates the big media contracts? If it were basketball wouldn't the AAC would be a power conference?

Memphis needs a local kid like Tyler Harris to committ STAT...

(12-10-2017 09:24 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

You must not have been alive for Moe Iba BB (8, 6 and 6 wins his last 3 seasons) or Larry Porter FB (2-10 and 1-11 his only 2 seasons).

Not Iba but I was obviously here for Porter. At least Porter could recruit. Which, considering the state of the program at that time, was a real accomplishment. Tubby not only has every advantage --- Tubby is horrible at everything despite all that. Recruiting. Recruiters. Public relations. Attendance. And, worst of all, any recognition that he needs to make any changes.

Okay, but you said worst coach ever. Tubby was 19-13 last year and 6-2 this year, so far. That's a lot different than BB at 8, 6, 6 wins, or football at 2-10 and 1-11. Coaches are ultimately measured by results.

as someone who sat through Larry's final 16-15 season, followed by Tic Price going 13-15 and Johnny Jones going 15-16.....I can honestly say I've seen Memphis far worse.

(12-08-2017 12:50 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Just wanted to add...

Getting top recruits and winning a load of games in college basketball are not necessarily correlated. When comparing Wichita State's roster to Kentucky's, images of The United States vs. N. Korea are conjured. But every time we've played them it's been about dead even. Sure a fan of Kentucky will see more acrobatic flashy plays throughout the season (and there's merit to that), but in the end, it's all about what's on the scoreboard at the final buzzer.

THIS... is why college basketball is the greatest sport on earth. Innovation and hard work still make a difference and everybody (within reason) has a shot at the title.


T


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Outlier coaches like Marshall and Stevens can achieve success (want to trade coaches?) without highly rated talent, but generally the Elite Eight is composed of schools with at least some four stars and usually some five stars.

College BB is broken and is the only sport with an ongoing FBI investigation going on. The kids in Memphis are all in AAU basketball and they expect to get paid. Were no longer paying I presume so they are going elsewhere. College basketball is headed for the sports wilderness. Just yesterday The #1 team in the country was beaten in a stunning upset and crickets. First time a #1 has lost to an unranked team since the 90's. I have not brought it up in conversation and have not had anyone even mention it. People just aren't watching outside of the core fan bases at BB schools. If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it. The jury is still out on that but the only time we garnered the attention we have this year was our natty run in BB. That in itself speaks volumes.

(12-10-2017 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

You must not have been alive for Moe Iba BB (8, 6 and 6 wins his last 3 seasons) or Larry Porter FB (2-10 and 1-11 his only 2 seasons).

Tubby is worse considering the advantages given him. Top arena in conference and top 10 in the nation, a top level IPF, historically a top 10 fan base, and a top 5 recruiting base in your own backyard with two top 10 recruits currently within 20 miles of the school. Tub is paid a top 15 salary.

Memphis should rarely be outside the top 25 with an average coach. Right now, we are fighting to be in the top 150. The Tub is failing spectacularly.

(12-10-2017 12:43 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

You must not have been alive for Moe Iba BB (8, 6 and 6 wins his last 3 seasons) or Larry Porter FB (2-10 and 1-11 his only 2 seasons).

Tubby is worse considering the advantages given him. Top arena in conference and top 10 in the nation, a top level IPF, historically a top 10 fan base, and a top 5 recruiting base in your own backyard with two top 10 recruits currently within 20 miles of the school. Tub is paid a top 15 salary.

Memphis should rarely be outside the top 25 with an average coach. Right now, we are fighting to be in the top 150. The Tub is failing spectacularly.

All I'm saying is we have seen worse coaches based on Wins and Losses, in both sports. The rest is subjective. Paying Pastner the 9th highest salary in the NCAA didn't work, either. What he left behind isn't going to be fixed overnight.

Maybe Tubby's not the guy, but you have to give him more than 1 year and 8 games before you decide.

(12-10-2017 03:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:43 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 09:15 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 08:48 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 01:38 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Memphis is top 10-15 in basketball investment...Tubbs makes over 3mil/yr and we have a brand new IPF for basketball. It’s at an all time low imo with Tubby. He took the Memphis job and stopped working

Worst coach we've ever had --- basketball or football.

You must not have been alive for Moe Iba BB (8, 6 and 6 wins his last 3 seasons) or Larry Porter FB (2-10 and 1-11 his only 2 seasons).

Tubby is worse considering the advantages given him. Top arena in conference and top 10 in the nation, a top level IPF, historically a top 10 fan base, and a top 5 recruiting base in your own backyard with two top 10 recruits currently within 20 miles of the school. Tub is paid a top 15 salary.

Memphis should rarely be outside the top 25 with an average coach. Right now, we are fighting to be in the top 150. The Tub is failing spectacularly.

All I'm saying is we have seen worse coaches based on Wins and Losses, in both sports. The rest is subjective. Paying Pastner the 9th highest salary in the NCAA didn't work, either. What he left behind isn't going to be fixed overnight.

Maybe Tubby's not the guy, but you have to give him more than 1 year and 8 games before you decide.

Agree with everything you are saying, however, with no recruiting we can see the future and it is not looking pretty. We did not need even two seasons of porter to know that he was not the coach and I personally don't think we need even two of Tubby's seasons to know he is not the future either (my opinion). I was excited when the miracle of Georgia Tech Josh happened and hoping that another miracle happens this time around as well and then we go get a sensible, hungry, young coach - or Billy Donavan :-) lol

All I know is once Memphis basketball catches momentum again its going to be hard to stop.. Our fans are desperate and expect a lot. Get the right coach and players and the FedexForum will be absolutely rocking.

Enjoy our drought while you can.

GTG

(12-10-2017 11:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  as someone who sat through Larry's final 16-15 season, followed by Tic Price going 13-15 and Johnny Jones going 15-16.....I can honestly say I've seen Memphis far worse.

Remember, Clyde Drexler was 3-1 against Memphis...as a coach and 2-0 in Memphis. His only loss was by 3 at home.