(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:15 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  It’s funny because the G4 wants a play off but they’re not gonna do it because they know full well the AAC won’t join and without the AAC, a playoff by the G4 people only solidify the AAC’s position above them

it’s freaking hilarious

ESPN U radio guys are all over this G5 playoff crap. David Pollack too. We want no part of that crap.

Make the playoff 8 teams and give an auto spot to best champion outside the Cartel. UCF would be in. That's our play.

Really? Why would anyone want that? Let the G4 do it. It wont be worth anything (especially without us). If those games were worth $150 million like Frazier (NIU AD) claims, then wouldn't the networks/bowls have already offered the G5 big money to commit to a pair of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl games?

Truth be told, I think such bowl games would draw a great audience, but no network or bowl seems to agree---despite over 3 million viewers for the Houston vs SDSU LV Bowl last year (where Houston wasn't even a conference champ).

If you want an alternate post season option that I could get behind--its an NCAA sponsored "NIT" style post season invitational football tournament. It would be open to G5 amd P5. It would pay credits based on how many rounds you play and it would issue automatic bids to conference champs. A 10 man NCAA selection committee (1 rep from each FBS conference) would fill out the rest of the field and it would publish rankings every week. The "NIT" would take its top ranked teams (per its own selection committee) still available after the CFP sponsored games are filled. It would offer a more interesting post season for G5 champs than a crap bowl. It would be more lucrative. And best of all--its more even handed selection committee rankings would stand in stark contrast to the stacked and rigged "big brands only" CFP Selection Committee (creating controversy all season long by showing how biased and out of touch the CFP really is ).

Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

Why not expand the playoff and give everyone a shot. They don't want that. Truth be told the way it is now only about 10-15 teams have a chance to make the final 4. Middle to lower tier teams in even the power leagues will never sniff it. But they go along bc the TV checks keep rolling in.

Total Farce. Not a real playoff unless anyone and everyone in D1 can play their way in on the field.

Pollack's argument amounts to: The CFP is treating you like second class citizens. Therefore, you should voluntarily make yourself into second class citizens.

Jist gotmoff the phone with Areaco...he said everybody sit tight, “he’s got this”.

also....KNIGHTIME, give him a call om WebEx...he needs you to explain a fee columns on your spreadsheet. He’s using your data when he talks to ESPN.

ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

(12-08-2017 05:35 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

No...give the top 10 teams an invite regardless of conference. Sunbelt, c-usa, or mac doesn't need a welfare invite.

(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

I may be mistaken here, but I believe I read somewhere--from Massey?--that Alabama's sos was 41 and UCF's was 48. What gets me is that UCF had 3 games against top 20 teams and won those 3.

Oh, and what really chaps my behind is when the sports yappers say that it's too bad UCF didn't get to play GATech because "that would have shown if they were any good". Yeah, that's the 5-6 yellowjackets that lost to 4-8 TN in double overtime, lol. UCF woulda laid a hunnert on em.

(12-08-2017 05:46 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

I may be mistaken here, but I believe I read somewhere--from Massey?--that Alabama's sos was 41 and UCF's was 48. What gets me is that UCF had 3 games against top 20 teams and won those 3.

Oh, and what really chaps my behind is when the sports yappers say that it's too bad UCF didn't get to play GATech because "that would have shown if they were any good". Yeah, that's the 5-6 yellowjackets that lost to 4-8 TN in double overtime, lol. UCF woulda laid a hunnert on em.

You brought up massey??......now prepare to have the corndog come out of the woodwork and tell you how stupid and wrong you are.

(12-08-2017 05:24 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Jist gotmoff the phone with Areaco...he said everybody sit tight, “he’s got this”.

also....KNIGHTIME, give him a call om WebEx...he needs you to explain a fee columns on your spreadsheet. He’s using your data when he talks to ESPN.

Aresco is in constant contact with me. My computers are working overtime getting together the presentation. We even have walk-in music for Aresco as he enters the room.

(12-08-2017 06:12 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:24 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Jist gotmoff the phone with Areaco...he said everybody sit tight, “he’s got this”.

also....KNIGHTIME, give him a call om WebEx...he needs you to explain a fee columns on your spreadsheet. He’s using your data when he talks to ESPN.

Aresco is in constant contact with me. My computers are working overtime getting together the presentation. We even have walk-in music for Aresco as he enters the room.

I'm a real American (Hulk Hogan's theme) with some degeneration x pyros to shock and awe them right. Dead Presidents for the P6 and a suck it for the g4.

Aresco walking into ESPN corporate offices....

(12-08-2017 05:35 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

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16 team w all conf champs in is the only way--- 6 at large bids allows the best conferences to get multiple teams in. Everyone is happy.

Instead we continue with this mockery of a playoff.

(12-08-2017 05:43 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:35 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

No...give the top 10 teams an invite regardless of conference. Sunbelt, c-usa, or mac doesn't need a welfare invite.

I don't care who's in it as long as we have a shot. Bring it on

(12-08-2017 05:35 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

Yes yes yes! This would be the biggest thing ever. Too bad the dopes at the big10 and sec would rather screw everyone else than expand the pool and make even more money.

(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:15 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  It’s funny because the G4 wants a play off but they’re not gonna do it because they know full well the AAC won’t join and without the AAC, a playoff by the G4 people only solidify the AAC’s position above them

it’s freaking hilarious

ESPN U radio guys are all over this G5 playoff crap. David Pollack too. We want no part of that crap.

Make the playoff 8 teams and give an auto spot to best champion outside the Cartel. UCF would be in. That's our play.

Really? Why would anyone want that? Let the G4 do it. It wont be worth anything (especially without us). If those games were worth $150 million like Frazier (NIU AD) claims, then wouldn't the networks/bowls have already offered the G5 big money to commit to a pair of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl games?

Truth be told, I think such bowl games would draw a great audience, but no network or bowl seems to agree---despite over 3 million viewers for the Houston vs SDSU LV Bowl last year (where Houston wasn't even a conference champ).

If you want an alternate post season option that I could get behind--its an NCAA sponsored "NIT" style post season invitational football tournament. It would be open to G5 amd P5. It would pay credits based on how many rounds you play and it would issue automatic bids to conference champs. A 10 man NCAA selection committee (1 rep from each FBS conference) would fill out the rest of the field and it would publish rankings every week. The "NIT" would take its top ranked teams (per its own selection committee) still available after the CFP sponsored games are filled. It would offer a more interesting post season for G5 champs than a crap bowl. It would be more lucrative. And best of all--its more even handed selection committee rankings would stand in stark contrast to the stacked and rigged "big brands only" CFP Selection Committee (creating controversy all season long by showing how biased and out of touch the CFP really is ).

Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

Why not expand the playoff and give everyone a shot. They don't want that. Truth be told the way it is now only about 10-15 teams have a chance to make the final 4. Middle to lower tier teams in even the power leagues will never sniff it. But they go along bc the TV checks keep rolling in.

Total Farce. Not a real playoff unless anyone and everyone in D1 can play their way in on the field.

Exactly. Even now, the Selection Committee appears to be incredibly biased not just toward the the P5 over the G5---but thier bias extends to brand names over less heavily followed P5's. TCU? Baylor? You can finish 13-0 and the committee is going to find a way to job them out of a playoff slot while babbling incoherently about "eye test" and some made up metric like "wins vs top 37 teams" (lol, then they will vote two trash Bama opponents into the top 37 to make it work). So I agree, no G5 has a chance in hell of making the playoff in the current environment. If I was a fan of any P5 team outside of the chosen dozen or so bluebloods the committee has a stiffy for---I'd question whether my team has any real chance as well.

That said, a G5 playoff isnt the answer---its nothing more than career suicide for the G5 conferences. If such a non-power conference playoff is started, we need to pass.

(12-08-2017 07:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:15 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  It’s funny because the G4 wants a play off but they’re not gonna do it because they know full well the AAC won’t join and without the AAC, a playoff by the G4 people only solidify the AAC’s position above them

it’s freaking hilarious

ESPN U radio guys are all over this G5 playoff crap. David Pollack too. We want no part of that crap.

Make the playoff 8 teams and give an auto spot to best champion outside the Cartel. UCF would be in. That's our play.

Really? Why would anyone want that? Let the G4 do it. It wont be worth anything (especially without us). If those games were worth $150 million like Frazier (NIU AD) claims, then wouldn't the networks/bowls have already offered the G5 big money to commit to a pair of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl games?

Truth be told, I think such bowl games would draw a great audience, but no network or bowl seems to agree---despite over 3 million viewers for the Houston vs SDSU LV Bowl last year (where Houston wasn't even a conference champ).

If you want an alternate post season option that I could get behind--its an NCAA sponsored "NIT" style post season invitational football tournament. It would be open to G5 amd P5. It would pay credits based on how many rounds you play and it would issue automatic bids to conference champs. A 10 man NCAA selection committee (1 rep from each FBS conference) would fill out the rest of the field and it would publish rankings every week. The "NIT" would take its top ranked teams (per its own selection committee) still available after the CFP sponsored games are filled. It would offer a more interesting post season for G5 champs than a crap bowl. It would be more lucrative. And best of all--its more even handed selection committee rankings would stand in stark contrast to the stacked and rigged "big brands only" CFP Selection Committee (creating controversy all season long by showing how biased and out of touch the CFP really is ).

Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

Why not expand the playoff and give everyone a shot. They don't want that. Truth be told the way it is now only about 10-15 teams have a chance to make the final 4. Middle to lower tier teams in even the power leagues will never sniff it. But they go along bc the TV checks keep rolling in.

Total Farce. Not a real playoff unless anyone and everyone in D1 can play their way in on the field.

Exactly. Even now, the Selection Committee appears to be incredibly biased not just toward the the P5 over the G5---but thier bias extends to brand names over less heavily followed P5's. TCU? Baylor? You can finish 13-0 and the committee is going to find a way to job them out of a playoff slot while babbling incoherently about "eye test" and some made up metric like "wins vs top 37 teams" (lol, then they will vote two trash Bama opponents into the top 37 to make it work). So I agree, no G5 has a chance in hell of making the playoff in the current environment. If I was a fan of any team outside of the chosen dozen or so bluebloods the committee has a stiffy for---I'd question whether my team has any real chance as well.

That said, a G5 playoff isnt the answer---its nothing more than career suicide for the G5 conferences.

True that, Committee loves Blue Bloods. You can see the hedging even on Wisconsin by the ESPN stooges, about having to go undefeated,just to be considered a legit final 4, I don't call the farce they put before the public a playoff, I just call the chosen four. Somewhere in that room where they meet or on the conference calls they do, I believe ESPN is pulling strings. If not it sure looks like it ESPN had it way it would be OSU, Bama, OU, Horns, USC, all the time imagine if the NFL ran their league that way, Cowboys, Giants, Patriots every year, people would get sick of it. Long term they are going to harm CFB with this chicanery

(12-08-2017 07:48 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 07:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:15 PM)First Mate Wrote:  ESPN U radio guys are all over this G5 playoff crap. David Pollack too. We want no part of that crap.

Make the playoff 8 teams and give an auto spot to best champion outside the Cartel. UCF would be in. That's our play.

Really? Why would anyone want that? Let the G4 do it. It wont be worth anything (especially without us). If those games were worth $150 million like Frazier (NIU AD) claims, then wouldn't the networks/bowls have already offered the G5 big money to commit to a pair of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl games?

Truth be told, I think such bowl games would draw a great audience, but no network or bowl seems to agree---despite over 3 million viewers for the Houston vs SDSU LV Bowl last year (where Houston wasn't even a conference champ).

If you want an alternate post season option that I could get behind--its an NCAA sponsored "NIT" style post season invitational football tournament. It would be open to G5 amd P5. It would pay credits based on how many rounds you play and it would issue automatic bids to conference champs. A 10 man NCAA selection committee (1 rep from each FBS conference) would fill out the rest of the field and it would publish rankings every week. The "NIT" would take its top ranked teams (per its own selection committee) still available after the CFP sponsored games are filled. It would offer a more interesting post season for G5 champs than a crap bowl. It would be more lucrative. And best of all--its more even handed selection committee rankings would stand in stark contrast to the stacked and rigged "big brands only" CFP Selection Committee (creating controversy all season long by showing how biased and out of touch the CFP really is ).

Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

Why not expand the playoff and give everyone a shot. They don't want that. Truth be told the way it is now only about 10-15 teams have a chance to make the final 4. Middle to lower tier teams in even the power leagues will never sniff it. But they go along bc the TV checks keep rolling in.

Total Farce. Not a real playoff unless anyone and everyone in D1 can play their way in on the field.

Exactly. Even now, the Selection Committee appears to be incredibly biased not just toward the the P5 over the G5---but thier bias extends to brand names over less heavily followed P5's. TCU? Baylor? You can finish 13-0 and the committee is going to find a way to job them out of a playoff slot while babbling incoherently about "eye test" and some made up metric like "wins vs top 37 teams" (lol, then they will vote two trash Bama opponents into the top 37 to make it work). So I agree, no G5 has a chance in hell of making the playoff in the current environment. If I was a fan of any team outside of the chosen dozen or so bluebloods the committee has a stiffy for---I'd question whether my team has any real chance as well.

That said, a G5 playoff isnt the answer---its nothing more than career suicide for the G5 conferences.

True that, Committee loves Blue Bloods. You can see the hedging even on Wisconsin by the ESPN stooges, about having to go undefeated,just to be considered a legit final 4, I don't call the farce they put before the public a playoff, I just call the chosen four. Somewhere in that room where they meet or on the conference calls they do, I believe ESPN is pulling strings. If not it sure looks like it ESPN had it way it would be OSU, Bama, OU, Horns, USC, all the time imagine if the NFL ran their league that way, Cowboys, Giants, Patriots every year, people would get sick of it. Long term they are going to harm CFB with this chicanery

Reminds me of Red Sox-Yankees...every year...24-7..all summer long. Thats who'd be in the World Series every year if MLB used a selection committee.

(12-08-2017 07:09 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:35 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

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16 team w all conf champs in is the only way--- 6 at large bids allows the best conferences to get multiple teams in. Everyone is happy.

Instead we continue with this mockery of a playoff.

It would be dumb to guarantee and invite for all conferences. FAU would be in the playoffs and they got crushed by a 5 loss Navy team. I have no idea who won the MAC, Sunbelt, or MWC either. Are any in the top 25?

I would rather just take the top 9. The bottom 2 have to play-in to make it to the real playoff

A burr in my mind persists with the irritating thought that the P-5 would destroy a nascent threat to their status by adding one or two AAC members to the club.

(12-09-2017 09:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A burr in my mind persists with the irritating thought that the P-5 would destroy a nascent threat to their status by adding one or two AAC members to the club.

Yup -this is their play if the AAC wont join the G-Playoff.

(12-08-2017 05:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:12 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:15 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 08:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  It’s funny because the G4 wants a play off but they’re not gonna do it because they know full well the AAC won’t join and without the AAC, a playoff by the G4 people only solidify the AAC’s position above them

it’s freaking hilarious

ESPN U radio guys are all over this G5 playoff crap. David Pollack too. We want no part of that crap.

Make the playoff 8 teams and give an auto spot to best champion outside the Cartel. UCF would be in. That's our play.

Really? Why would anyone want that? Let the G4 do it. It wont be worth anything (especially without us). If those games were worth $150 million like Frazier (NIU AD) claims, then wouldn't the networks/bowls have already offered the G5 big money to commit to a pair of G5 champ vs G5 champ bowl games?

Truth be told, I think such bowl games would draw a great audience, but no network or bowl seems to agree---despite over 3 million viewers for the Houston vs SDSU LV Bowl last year (where Houston wasn't even a conference champ).

If you want an alternate post season option that I could get behind--its an NCAA sponsored "NIT" style post season invitational football tournament. It would be open to G5 amd P5. It would pay credits based on how many rounds you play and it would issue automatic bids to conference champs. A 10 man NCAA selection committee (1 rep from each FBS conference) would fill out the rest of the field and it would publish rankings every week. The "NIT" would take its top ranked teams (per its own selection committee) still available after the CFP sponsored games are filled. It would offer a more interesting post season for G5 champs than a crap bowl. It would be more lucrative. And best of all--its more even handed selection committee rankings would stand in stark contrast to the stacked and rigged "big brands only" CFP Selection Committee (creating controversy all season long by showing how biased and out of touch the CFP really is ).

Pollack says there's no way a team from the outside gets in the four them playoff bc of strength of schedule. But instead of expanding the playoff his idea (and others) is just let the little kids have their own playoff at the kiddie table. BS

Why not expand the playoff and give everyone a shot. They don't want that. Truth be told the way it is now only about 10-15 teams have a chance to make the final 4. Middle to lower tier teams in even the power leagues will never sniff it. But they go along bc the TV checks keep rolling in.

Total Farce. Not a real playoff unless anyone and everyone in D1 can play their way in on the field.

Pollack's argument amounts to: The CFP is treating you like second class citizens. Therefore, you should voluntarily make yourself into second class citizens.

To me, Aresco's P6 bluster is essentially harmless, and even understandable - it allows him to act like he's earning his unearnably high salary.

The problem arises when some actually take it seriously and begin to believe him. E.g., these last few weeks when UCF kept winning but never got anywhere close to a CFP playoffs ranking. There was much shock and indignation that our champ wasn't being treated by the CFP like a P5 champ with the same record would have been treated.

To anyone with their feet planted in reality (we are in fact G5, not P), this treatment was no surprise at all. But to those who actually had been convinced that we are "P6", it was an emotionally scarring awakening.

(12-09-2017 09:39 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 07:09 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 05:35 PM)Miami Pirate Wrote:  ESPN and the so called "P5" and their corrupt committee are all full of s..t. The only way to get all included, is a 16 team playoff with 10 conf champs and 6 at large teams. Get rid of half of these worthless bowls that are played every year who no one watches. Unless the CFP expands there's no way in hell any non "P5" team will make it in. Greed in college football is ridiculous.

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16 team w all conf champs in is the only way--- 6 at large bids allows the best conferences to get multiple teams in. Everyone is happy.

Instead we continue with this mockery of a playoff.

It would be dumb to guarantee and invite for all conferences. FAU would be in the playoffs and they got crushed by a 5 loss Navy team. I have no idea who won the MAC, Sunbelt, or MWC either. Are any in the top 25?

I would rather just take the top 9. The bottom 2 have to play-in to make it to the real playoff

You are looking at it for one year. Maybe with access, FAU eclipses Miami for premier talent in the area. Level the playing field and let's see what happens. Could they possibly get beat any worse than the B1G teams the last 2 years?