(12-06-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:43 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 06:28 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The pope is absolutely clueless on what the bible teaches.

Many people are still under the delusion that a pope knows the bible more than most common middle class Christians. The reality is 180 degrees opposite that.

That "common middle class" knowledge has also led Protestant Christianity to splinter into a ridiculous number of denominations.

Clearly a defensive reaction on your part concerning Catholicism.

The context here had nothing to do with Catholicism vs Protestantism. If you thought that then you missed the whole point completely.

The pope is not simply disagreeing on doctrines, he actually has proven over and over again he doesn't even read the book and it holds no value to him at all.

It's not really a defensive reaction. I'm not Catholic, btw. Rather, I was pointing out one of the inevitable consequences of the point you made. That's all.

(12-06-2017 08:25 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  he's an idiot

major fify

y'all got me in a tizzy now

(12-06-2017 08:32 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:43 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 06:28 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The pope is absolutely clueless on what the bible teaches.

Many people are still under the delusion that a pope knows the bible more than most common middle class Christians. The reality is 180 degrees opposite that.

That "common middle class" knowledge has also led Protestant Christianity to splinter into a ridiculous number of denominations.

Clearly a defensive reaction on your part concerning Catholicism.

The context here had nothing to do with Catholicism vs Protestantism. If you thought that then you missed the whole point completely.

The pope is not simply disagreeing on doctrines, he actually has proven over and over again he doesn't even read the book and it holds no value to him at all.

It's not really a defensive reaction. I'm not Catholic, btw. Rather, I was pointing out one of the inevitable consequences of the point you made. That's all.

We can just agree to disagree. This doesn't seem like its going in a fruitful direction.

The Bible (and the early church) teach a very different form of Christianity than the pope. The pope doesn't even believe you need Christ to find salvation. Whatever differences divide up the rest of Christianity, most agree that faith in Christ alone is the way, the truth and the Life.

Salvation through faith in Christ is the single most vital part of Christianity and the entire basis for salvation. Fortunately, even some Catholics believe this as well, even if the pope and/or Vatican does not.

Jesus Christ was indeed Jewish. He was descended from the line of David through Mary (and coincidentally, Joseph, his step-father). In order for him to be the Messiah, he had to be Jewish, in both customs and blood.

The Pope denying this is, at least in my humble non-Catholic opinion, blasphemy.

(12-07-2017 12:55 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Jesus Christ was indeed Jewish. He was descended from the line of David through Mary (and coincidentally, Joseph, his step-father). In order for him to be the Messiah, he had to be Jewish, in both customs and blood.

The Pope denying this is, at least in my humble non-Catholic opinion, blasphemy.

If Jesus isn't a Jew from the line of David, then He is not the Messiah and He died for nothing because He can't redeem mankind.

With no salvation through the blood of Christ, we are all lost with no hope.

They didn't directly talk about it in the OP. He instead claimed Islam had just as much claim to the city, which is utterly blasphemous for a man in his position claiming to be Christ's infallible replacement on earth.

He's a wolf in sheeps clothing, OPENLY denying the Gospel and the entire faith as he parades as the infallible "Holy Father" and leader of Christianity across the entire earth.

(12-07-2017 12:55 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Jesus Christ was indeed Jewish. He was descended from the line of David through Mary (and coincidentally, Joseph, his step-father). In order for him to be the Messiah, he had to be Jewish, in both customs and blood.

The Pope denying this is, at least in my humble non-Catholic opinion, blasphemy.

Doesn't every kid learn this kind of basic stuff in Sunday school. Good grief. Didn't this kinda thing qualify as heresy. I dont know a lot about Catholicism but have always appreciated their adherence to tradition and scholarship. Something seems out of whack here.

Tradition in the Pope's mind is just as important as the truth which lies in the Bible. All the heretical rules of the Catholic Catechism rely on tradition. Jesus in the Bible tells us differently.

(12-06-2017 05:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  being raised catholic (knowing all along I was an atheist), I used to tell my parents for ***** and gigs that I should've been born a jew

my Protestant father once told me it would be easier for him to accept Jewish practice/doctrine than to accept Roman.

I have a lot of admiration for John Paul II and Benedict. The new guy, I’m still forming my opinion. But the simple fact is that the RCC will need at least 100 years to regain the public’s trust after the sex/abuse scandals.

(12-06-2017 10:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 08:32 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 08:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:43 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 06:28 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The pope is absolutely clueless on what the bible teaches.

Many people are still under the delusion that a pope knows the bible more than most common middle class Christians. The reality is 180 degrees opposite that.

That "common middle class" knowledge has also led Protestant Christianity to splinter into a ridiculous number of denominations.

Clearly a defensive reaction on your part concerning Catholicism.

The context here had nothing to do with Catholicism vs Protestantism. If you thought that then you missed the whole point completely.

The pope is not simply disagreeing on doctrines, he actually has proven over and over again he doesn't even read the book and it holds no value to him at all.

It's not really a defensive reaction. I'm not Catholic, btw. Rather, I was pointing out one of the inevitable consequences of the point you made. That's all.

We can just agree to disagree. This doesn't seem like its going in a fruitful direction.

The Bible (and the early church) teach a very different form of Christianity than the pope. The pope doesn't even believe you need Christ to find salvation. Whatever differences divide up the rest of Christianity, most agree that faith in Christ alone is the way, the truth and the Life.

Salvation through faith in Christ is the single most vital part of Christianity and the entire basis for salvation. Fortunately, even some Catholics believe this as well, even if the pope and/or Vatican does not.

What are you trying say with this part in bold?

(12-07-2017 03:26 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 05:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  being raised catholic (knowing all along I was an atheist), I used to tell my parents for ***** and gigs that I should've been born a jew

my Protestant father once told me it would be easier for him to accept Jewish practice/doctrine than to accept Roman.

I have a lot of admiration for John Paul II and Benedict. The new guy, I’m still forming my opinion. But the simple fact is that the RCC will need at least 100 years to regain the public’s trust after the sex/abuse scandals.

He is openly telling billions of Muslims, Hindus and atheist they don't need Christ for salvation, and yet you still need time to form an opinion?

How is that possible?

How can the man claim to be a Christian when he openly rejects the Gospel and salvation through Christ alone?

(12-06-2017 10:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  We can just agree to disagree. This doesn't seem like its going in a fruitful direction.

The Bible (and the early church) teach a very different form of Christianity than the pope. The pope doesn't even believe you need Christ to find salvation. Whatever differences divide up the rest of Christianity, most agree that faith in Christ alone is the way, the truth and the Life.

Salvation through faith in Christ is the single most vital part of Christianity and the entire basis for salvation. Fortunately, even some Catholics believe this as well, even if the pope and/or Vatican does not.

What are you trying say with this part in bold?

Exactly what was said word for word.

(12-07-2017 03:08 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:55 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Jesus Christ was indeed Jewish. He was descended from the line of David through Mary (and coincidentally, Joseph, his step-father). In order for him to be the Messiah, he had to be Jewish, in both customs and blood.

The Pope denying this is, at least in my humble non-Catholic opinion, blasphemy.

If Jesus isn't a Jew from the line of David, then He is not the Messiah and He died for nothing because He can't redeem mankind.

With no salvation through the blood of Christ, we are all lost with no hope.

They didn't directly talk about it in the OP. He instead claimed Islam had just as much claim to the city, which is utterly blasphemous for a man in his position claiming to be Christ's infallible replacement on earth.

He's a wolf in sheeps clothing, OPENLY denying the Gospel and the entire faith as he parades as the infallible "Holy Father" and leader of Christianity across the entire earth.

I get what you're trying to say, but I find it crazy that God would have to be constrained in this way. I know you'll respond with "prophecy", but seriously Jesus should not have to have been literally a descendant of David to save mankind. If God is God and Jesus is God, they could have saved mankind in any fashion they chose.

(12-07-2017 03:42 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:39 PM)miko33 Wrote:  We can just agree to disagree. This doesn't seem like its going in a fruitful direction.

The Bible (and the early church) teach a very different form of Christianity than the pope. The pope doesn't even believe you need Christ to find salvation. Whatever differences divide up the rest of Christianity, most agree that faith in Christ alone is the way, the truth and the Life.

Salvation through faith in Christ is the single most vital part of Christianity and the entire basis for salvation. Fortunately, even some Catholics believe this as well, even if the pope and/or Vatican does not.

What are you trying say with this part in bold?

Exactly what was said word for word.

The way you wrote it, you imply that there is a small minority of Catholics who are actually Christian. Are you saying that on the surface, the Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian Denomination?

(12-07-2017 03:44 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I get what you're trying to say, but I find it crazy that God would have to be constrained in this way. I know you'll respond with "prophecy", but seriously Jesus should not have to have been literally a descendant of David to save mankind. If God is God and Jesus is God, they could have saved mankind in any fashion they chose.

But He chose this "fashion", not some random one that is more to your person liking. And He laid out the plan and evidence thousands of years before Christ was ever born.

If Christ wasn't a Jew from the line of David, from the tribe of Judah, born in Bethlehem, then He is not the promised Messiah.

You will get your chance to stand in front of Him one day face to face and tell him how stupid you think His whole plan was.

God bless.

(12-07-2017 03:47 PM)miko33 Wrote:  The way you wrote it, you imply that there is a small minority of Catholics who are actually Christian. Are you saying that on the surface, the Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian Denomination?

Quite simply, anyone who believes in anything but salvation through faith in Christ alone is lost.

That is not my opinion, its simply what the NT plainly teaches.

I have talked to Catholics that believe in salvation through faith, and I've talked to Catholics who believe in works based salvation.

Both exist in the RCC.

Salvation is an individual thing, its not based on your denomination/local church.