Hearing it is a done deal. Not sure what I think of the hire. Seems like South Carolina fans are eager to see him gone. Seems like we could have done much better than Kurt freaking Roper....

Will be announced very soon

(12-04-2017 12:02 AM)formerowl Wrote:  Hearing it is a done deal. Not sure what I think of the hire. Seems like South Carolina fans are eager to see him gone. Seems like we could have done much better than Kurt freaking Roper....

Will be announced very soon

Who are your sources (not names, but like how were they involved in the process)?

Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

(12-04-2017 12:17 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

He has had two major hires and he's batting .500. Langley has been outstanding; Rhoades was a waste of three years.

(12-04-2017 01:34 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:17 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

He has had two major hires and he's batting .500. Langley has been outstanding; Rhoades was a waste of three years.

I have been critical of Karlgaard and agree that Rhoades was a waste of three years.

That said, I don't think you can totally put that on Karlgaard. Karlgaard isn't responsible for what modern-day college basketball has become and Rhoades' unethical behavior on the way out (recruiting Evans and Douglas to VCU).

Your dislike of Rhoades has been noted. Despite the transfers, I still feel like Rhoades left Rice men’s basketball in an overall better place than when he inherited the program. Just not as much as it looked like it was going to be right at the end of last season. Still a better hire than CDC’s hires. Did May hire anyone? I can’t remember when he started.

Not sure how I feel about this.

My issue with Roper is he is a guy who's stock is dropping. And historically Rice's hires on dropping stock has been poor - Greenspan, Braun.. Not saying Roper is one of them, but the trajectory gives me serious pause.

At least we aren't talking about hiring Beaty.. whew.. and definitely better than another year of Bailiff.

I would prefer Houston over Roper for sure but if Roper is able to bring some of the coaches he coached with at Florida (Kerry Dixon, Nussbaumer), that would be an immediate plus. A few transfers from there would also help (they have a QB from Manvel who has yet to play for them - that would be one possibility from the get go).

I too disagree on Rhoades but even letting that slide, one of the biggest reasons Langley has done so well is her track record of transfers (Iademarco, the Ogwumike sisters and Mulkey). That's not the only reason of course but honestly she hasn't upgraded our recruiting of high school players a ton from Greg Williams (at least not the ones who have played - I guess 2 of this year's freshmen class haven't seen any action yet due to injuries). Rhoades/Pera had the immediate impact of Koulechov.

Whatever football coach we bring in needs to get some transfers. That's the new way to make an impact in college athletics.

(12-04-2017 01:48 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Your dislike of Rhoades has been noted. Despite the transfers, I still feel like Rhoades left Rice men’s basketball in an overall better place than when he inherited the program. Just not as much as it looked like it was going to be right at the end of last season. Still a better hire than CDC’s hires. Did May hire anyone? I can’t remember when he started.

Bobby May became athletic director after Jerry Berndt left... I think he did pretty good with some of his hires.

Rice University Athletics News :: Official Athletic Site

Quote:Since taking the department reigns, May has supervised the hiring of football coaches Fred Goldsmith and current head coach Ken Hatfield, men's basketball coach Willis Wilson, baseball head coach Wayne Graham, men's tennis coach Ron Smarr, and men's track and field coach Jon Warren. Additions to the women's staff have included basketball coach Cristy McKinney, volleyball coach Genny Volpe, women's soccer coach Chris Huston, and women's swimming coach Seth Huston. Nine coaches have received conference coach of the year honors, including Lopez, who is a six-time WAC coach of the year. These hires have helped Rice achieve renewed success and public acceptance in the sport each represents, and have contributed to Rice student-athletes graduating at a continued high rate. The total athletic scholarship endowment for Rice student-athletes now totals over $22 million, the majority of that coming under May's tutelage.

(12-04-2017 02:09 AM)Antarius Wrote:  Not sure how I feel about this.

My issue with Roper is he is a guy who's stock is dropping. And historically Rice's hires on dropping stock has been poor - Greenspan, Braun.. Not saying Roper is one of them, but the trajectory gives me serious pause.

At least we aren't talking about hiring Beaty.. whew.. and definitely better than another year of Bailiff.

Hatfield was a hire with dropping stock. I think he was pretty good for several years!

(12-04-2017 01:34 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:17 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

He has had two major hires and he's batting .500. Langley has been outstanding; Rhoades was a waste of three years.

Rhoades was anything but a waste of 3 years. He helped change the culture of MBB, and did bring in Pera.

Not sure Roper meets any of the criteria JK mentioned...

Looks at how we do things in a completely new way - he’s an alum
Head coaching experience is a plus - doesn’t have any
Creative and innovative - not really from what I’ve seen.

I hope we didn’t get cheap on our most important hire ever. I saw some posts saying that Roper really wanted the position (which is good) but he was probably out at SC after the bowl game.

(12-04-2017 07:06 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 01:34 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:17 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

He has had two major hires and he's batting .500. Langley has been outstanding; Rhoades was a waste of three years.

Rhoades was anything but a waste of 3 years. He helped change the culture of MBB, and did bring in Pera.

You people are absolutely delusional. The season before Rhoades (with Braun), Rice was #299 in Pomeroy; as of this morning, after Rhoades "helped change the culture of MBB," Rice is #290.

No tweet to confirm this from Mark Berman yet

(12-04-2017 07:48 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:06 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 01:34 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:17 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

He has had two major hires and he's batting .500. Langley has been outstanding; Rhoades was a waste of three years.

Rhoades was anything but a waste of 3 years. He helped change the culture of MBB, and did bring in Pera.

You people are absolutely delusional. The season before Rhoades (with Braun), Rice was #299 in Pomeroy; as of this morning, after Rhoades "helped change the culture of MBB," Rice is #290.

Not at all happy with Roper. The fact that SC so desperately wants him gone is a very bad sign. We have had bad luck with other people’s rejects, like Greenspan and Braun. I could be wrong, but Roper seems to be a guy who can get us to .500 in CUSA, but I thought we aspired to more than that. I was hoping for someone like Anderson, Houston, or Walters.

I assume no one “better” was interested after we ran the football program into the ground,

Agree with WRC on Rhoades. I was a huge Rhoades supporter. But he did not build the program. When he left, it reverted to only slightly better than how he found it.

I'm kind of shocked that we're seeing posters seem to be down on the fact that we may get a Rice alum as a head coach...

OCs can be an easy scapegoat for offensive struggles, and I doubt anyone on this board has enough knowledge of SC's team to know whether or not Roper or Muschamp or personnel or whatever are the reason for the offensive struggles. Just as we don't really know whether or not Roper was responsible for all of the offensive successes there were when he was coaching at Duke with Cutcliffe.

I agree that if Roper gets the hire it is not an obvious, knock this out of the park hire, but I will be more than happy to have a new HC with SEC and ACC coaching experience, and experience working within the confines of an elite academic institution.

(12-04-2017 07:48 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 07:06 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 01:34 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:17 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Kurt Roper would have been pretty exciting coming out of his time at Duke. Not sure how to weigh what he has done the past 4 post-Duke seasons versus what he did before. JK has made good hires so far and I have certainly been an advocate of hiring alums into the staff.

He has had two major hires and he's batting .500. Langley has been outstanding; Rhoades was a waste of three years.

Rhoades was anything but a waste of 3 years. He helped change the culture of MBB, and did bring in Pera.

You people are absolutely delusional. The season before Rhoades (with Braun), Rice was #299 in Pomeroy; as of this morning, after Rhoades "helped change the culture of MBB," Rice is #290.

First of all, a lot of season left. Second, the attrition is going to have an impact that can't be ignored; let's see where we are at the end of this season and the next one before we make any kind of judgment.

(12-04-2017 08:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm kind of shocked that we're seeing posters seem to be down on the fact that we may get a Rice alum as a head coach...

OCs can be an easy scapegoat for offensive struggles, and I doubt anyone on this board has enough knowledge of SC's team to know whether or not Roper or Muschamp or personnel or whatever are the reason for the offensive struggles. Just as we don't really know whether or not Roper was responsible for all of the offensive successes there were when he was coaching at Duke with Cutcliffe.

I agree that if Roper gets the hire it is not an obvious, knock this out of the park hire, but I will be more than happy to have a new HC with SEC and ACC coaching experience, and experience working within the confines of an elite academic institution.

Understand your points and agree with them to a certain extent. I guess my concerns are two-fold. One, is Roper's previous success a reflection of him or the guy he was working under (Cutcliffe)? Second, being a Rice alum, will he challenge the status quo enough? Because the status quo isn't working now and won't work consistently enough in the future.

(12-04-2017 09:05 AM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 08:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I'm kind of shocked that we're seeing posters seem to be down on the fact that we may get a Rice alum as a head coach...

OCs can be an easy scapegoat for offensive struggles, and I doubt anyone on this board has enough knowledge of SC's team to know whether or not Roper or Muschamp or personnel or whatever are the reason for the offensive struggles. Just as we don't really know whether or not Roper was responsible for all of the offensive successes there were when he was coaching at Duke with Cutcliffe.

I agree that if Roper gets the hire it is not an obvious, knock this out of the park hire, but I will be more than happy to have a new HC with SEC and ACC coaching experience, and experience working within the confines of an elite academic institution.

Understand your points and agree with them to a certain extent. I guess my concerns are two-fold. One, is Roper's previous success a reflection of him or the guy he was working under (Cutcliffe)? Second, being a Rice alum, will he challenge the status quo enough? Because the status quo isn't working now and won't work consistently enough in the future.

Yeah - it's hard to tell who/what was responsible for the success then failures of the offenses he presided over.

And I don't see him being a Rice alum being a detriment to affecting the status quo - I think it's more likely it helps break it. Roper has had enough non-Rice experience to know what successful football institutions look like (Tennessee, Ole Miss, UF) to want to put Rice on the right path, while having enough of an affinity for the university to be willing to stick it out and see the process through, not cut and run at the first chance he has. I mean, why would we think a former football player who basically had to deal with Rice not caring about his team want to make sure Rice continues down that path?

I do not understand the rationale for the assumption that a Rice alum will not challenge the status quo.