Just posting this before others do. I won't comment on the politics on the guy arrested other than to say the initial reports show that he's probably connected to some of the alt-left groups that others love to talk about.
Anyway the good news is they think they've arrested a 24-year-old named Howell Donaldson who is responsible for four deaths in Tampa, FL in what was appearing to be a serial killer on the loose.
Apparently, he was working at a McDonald's and was cashing his paycheck at a check-cashing place and handed a gun to his manager to hold while he was cashing the check. The manager called the police and they arrested him. Definitely 'stupid criminal' worthy although the killings obviously are no laughing matter.
(11-29-2017 07:07 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Just posting this before others do. I won't comment on the politics on the guy arrested other than to say the initial reports show that he's probably connected to some of the alt-left groups that others love to talk about.
Anyway the good news is they think they've arrested a 24-year-old named Howell Donaldson who is responsible for four deaths in Tampa, FL in what was appearing to be a serial killer on the loose.
Apparently, he was working at a McDonald's and was cashing his paycheck at a check-cashing place and handed a gun to his manager to hold while he was cashing the check. The manager called the police and they arrested him. Definitely 'stupid criminal' worthy although the killings obviously are no laughing matter.
Is there any reason to think his killings were politically motivated?
He's smart enough to kill four people without leaving a trace of evidence but is stupid enough to go to work with a gun and hand it to his boss?
And he brings the gun to work but doesnt want to bring it to cash his check? This makes no sense. Hopefully more details comes out on why they think this is the guy
(This post was last modified: 11-29-2017 04:47 PM by Dynamos.)
(11-29-2017 07:07 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Just posting this before others do. I won't comment on the politics on the guy arrested other than to say the initial reports show that he's probably connected to some of the alt-left groups that others love to talk about.
Anyway the good news is they think they've arrested a 24-year-old named Howell Donaldson who is responsible for four deaths in Tampa, FL in what was appearing to be a serial killer on the loose.
Apparently, he was working at a McDonald's and was cashing his paycheck at a check-cashing place and handed a gun to his manager to hold while he was cashing the check. The manager called the police and they arrested him. Definitely 'stupid criminal' worthy although the killings obviously are no laughing matter.
(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)GrayBeard Wrote: I was told that the "Alt Left" isn't real.
It isn't. I believe you misread the intent of the OP.
If it isn't then neither is the "alt-right".
That's not how reality works."Alt-right" is a widely used term by both those within the "alt-right" and those describing it, at least it was prior to its toxic ideological components became widely known. "Alt-left" is a wholly manufactured phrase created to portray a false equivalence that simply doesn't exist.
(This post was last modified: 11-30-2017 12:21 PM by UCF08.)
Quote:None of this was subtle. It all happened in plain view. In fact Breitbart’s then–executive chairman proudly declared that his publication was “the platform for the alt-right.” His name was Steve Bannon. He is now the “chief strategist” for the president of the United States.
(11-29-2017 04:56 PM)GrayBeard Wrote: I was told that the "Alt Left" isn't real.
It isn't. I believe you misread the intent of the OP.
If it isn't then neither is the "alt-right".
That's not how reality works."Alt-right" is a widely used term by both those within the "alt-right" and those describing it, at least it was prior to its toxic ideological components became widely known. "Alt-left" is a wholly manufactured phrase created to portray a false equivalence that simply doesn't exist.
Quote:None of this was subtle. It all happened in plain view. In fact Breitbart’s then–executive chairman proudly declared that his publication was “the platform for the alt-right.” His name was Steve Bannon. He is now the “chief strategist” for the president of the United States.
Quote:None of this was subtle. It all happened in plain view. In fact Breitbart’s then–executive chairman proudly declared that his publication was “the platform for the alt-right.” His name was Steve Bannon. He is now the “chief strategist” for the president of the United States.
So you're admitting that alt-left is just as valid as alt-right?
No. There is no group of people running around calling themselves the alt-left.
Quote:But after the Christmas party, my indifference slowly gave way to a surreal curiosity, on its way to loathing. I monitored his activities, distantly. Spencer’s writing kept appearing, advancing ever more extreme opinions in ever more obscure journals. In 2008, he began popularizing the term alt-right. On Facebook, he posted images of himself with John Derbyshire—a polymathic, often charming writer who was fired from National Review in 2012 for racism—and Richard Lynn, an English psychologist who has argued that East Asians are slightly smarter than whites, who are in turn much smarter than blacks. Spencer hosted Ron Paul, then not yet widely known to have published antiblack screeds in the 1980s and ’90s, at his discussion club.
In 2011, he moved from Washington to Whitefish, Montana, where his mother owns a vacation home and a commercial building. (She is the heiress to cotton farms in Louisiana, and his father is a respected Dallas ophthalmologist.) There he edited and published a new online magazine, Alternative Right, and soon took over the National Policy Institute. Founded in 2005 by William Regnery II, of the conservative Regnery publishing family, NPI is a white-identity think tank with little money and virtually no staff. During the next five years, Spencer merged its mission with his own. It remained essentially a one-man operation—the Whitefish house owned by Spencer’s mother is listed in official filings as NPI’s principal office, and its 2015 IRS filing shows that Spencer drew just $13,275 in salary and was the only paid employee. Still, under Spencer’s direction, NPI put on two conferences and published two books that year.
Quote:None of this was subtle. It all happened in plain view. In fact Breitbart’s then–executive chairman proudly declared that his publication was “the platform for the alt-right.” His name was Steve Bannon. He is now the “chief strategist” for the president of the United States.
So you're admitting that alt-left is just as valid as alt-right?
No. There is no group of people running around calling themselves the alt-left.
Quote:But after the Christmas party, my indifference slowly gave way to a surreal curiosity, on its way to loathing. I monitored his activities, distantly. Spencer’s writing kept appearing, advancing ever more extreme opinions in ever more obscure journals. In 2008, he began popularizing the term alt-right. On Facebook, he posted images of himself with John Derbyshire—a polymathic, often charming writer who was fired from National Review in 2012 for racism—and Richard Lynn, an English psychologist who has argued that East Asians are slightly smarter than whites, who are in turn much smarter than blacks. Spencer hosted Ron Paul, then not yet widely known to have published antiblack screeds in the 1980s and ’90s, at his discussion club.
In 2011, he moved from Washington to Whitefish, Montana, where his mother owns a vacation home and a commercial building. (She is the heiress to cotton farms in Louisiana, and his father is a respected Dallas ophthalmologist.) There he edited and published a new online magazine, Alternative Right, and soon took over the National Policy Institute. Founded in 2005 by William Regnery II, of the conservative Regnery publishing family, NPI is a white-identity think tank with little money and virtually no staff. During the next five years, Spencer merged its mission with his own. It remained essentially a one-man operation—the Whitefish house owned by Spencer’s mother is listed in official filings as NPI’s principal office, and its 2015 IRS filing shows that Spencer drew just $13,275 in salary and was the only paid employee. Still, under Spencer’s direction, NPI put on two conferences and published two books that year.
Thank you for proving my point. Although I couldn't help but notice you'd take the word of a white-supremacist just so you and your liberal friends can look good in the eyes of the MSM.
Quote:None of this was subtle. It all happened in plain view. In fact Breitbart’s then–executive chairman proudly declared that his publication was “the platform for the alt-right.” His name was Steve Bannon. He is now the “chief strategist” for the president of the United States.
So you're admitting that alt-left is just as valid as alt-right?
No. There is no group of people running around calling themselves the alt-left.
Quote:But after the Christmas party, my indifference slowly gave way to a surreal curiosity, on its way to loathing. I monitored his activities, distantly. Spencer’s writing kept appearing, advancing ever more extreme opinions in ever more obscure journals. In 2008, he began popularizing the term alt-right. On Facebook, he posted images of himself with John Derbyshire—a polymathic, often charming writer who was fired from National Review in 2012 for racism—and Richard Lynn, an English psychologist who has argued that East Asians are slightly smarter than whites, who are in turn much smarter than blacks. Spencer hosted Ron Paul, then not yet widely known to have published antiblack screeds in the 1980s and ’90s, at his discussion club.
In 2011, he moved from Washington to Whitefish, Montana, where his mother owns a vacation home and a commercial building. (She is the heiress to cotton farms in Louisiana, and his father is a respected Dallas ophthalmologist.) There he edited and published a new online magazine, Alternative Right, and soon took over the National Policy Institute. Founded in 2005 by William Regnery II, of the conservative Regnery publishing family, NPI is a white-identity think tank with little money and virtually no staff. During the next five years, Spencer merged its mission with his own. It remained essentially a one-man operation—the Whitefish house owned by Spencer’s mother is listed in official filings as NPI’s principal office, and its 2015 IRS filing shows that Spencer drew just $13,275 in salary and was the only paid employee. Still, under Spencer’s direction, NPI put on two conferences and published two books that year.
Thank you for proving my point. Although I couldn't help but notice you'd take the word of a white-supremacist just so you and your liberal friends can look good in the eyes of the MSM.
Dude...that's ridiculous. The alt-right pretty much ARE white supremacists. That has nothing to do with the MSM or any liberal. We didn't call them that, THEY did!
Meanwhile, there is still no group running around calling themselves the alt-left. There is no such thing...it's just a deflective phrase made up by righties that are most likely feeling that the media and others are trying to characterize them as alt-right. And if they don't like that, then they need to separate themselves better from their ideology. Much like ALL the liberals here that have denounced Antifa.
(This post was last modified: 11-30-2017 02:24 PM by Redwingtom.)
(11-30-2017 01:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Dude...that's ridiculous. The alt-right pretty much ARE white supremacists.
And the alt-left ARE violent, marxist/communist revolutionaries.
Kronke.. here's the thing...
The left on this board and others say there is no such thing as an "alt-Left".. therefore if there is no "alternate left", then those that are being referred to as "alt-left" are the same as those who admit to being leftists.
which means the left is admitting they're okay, claiming violent, Marxist/communist revolutionaires among their numbers.
And while I know Bannon is the one that gets credited with the "alt-right" label, I believe (although those of you who depend on Wikipedia will say otherwise...) that the "alt-right" term was created by Billy Kristol, when he basically tried to label everyone who didn't agree with him.
