The WAC just lost Cal State - Barkersfield. That leaves the WAC with

1) Cal Baptist (due to move up)
2) UT-RGV
3) NMSU
4) UMKC (currently evaluating moving down from D1 - or trying to beg the Summit into letting them back in)
5) Chicago State (seriously in trouble as an institution)
6) Grand Canyon (for profit school)
7) Seattle
8) Utah Valley

Man I feel bad for NMSU. They probably lose Chicago State in the next year or so too.

The WAC could turn into a bidless Great West again at this rate

Not disputing you...but got any articles to support this hypothesis?

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http://www.bakersfield.com/sports/cal-st...593d6.html

Maybe with all this going on NMSU might come to the Sun Belt to join in all sports.

Throw in Marshall, SoMiss, or JMU to balance it out and I'd like NMSU in conference.

The Big Sky and WAC need to reorganize somehow. The Big Sky is becoming entirely too big while the WAC is withering away.

(11-27-2017 06:07 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  Maybe with all this going on NMSU might come to the Sun Belt to join in all sports.

No argument from me on NMSU's candidacy. Always wanted you guys in the conference. NMSU might have to move down their football to FCS to get in the Big Sky...or face the WAC losing their autobid if the WAC goes below 7 teams. Wow.

If my memory serves me correct, there's a Cal St or UC someone that was trying to get in the Big West but was rejected. WAC would take em in a heart beat if they wanted membership. With the BW saying no and then yes to someone else, may make them make a move.

EDIT: Nevermind. Read the article and saw that UC-San Diego is also joining.

(11-27-2017 06:07 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  Maybe with all this going on NMSU might come to the Sun Belt to join in all sports.

I think this will happen at some point. I just hope it’s sooner, rather than later.

1) If that happens does it land on the conference to lure a 12th football member or NMSU to convince another institution to join with them?

1a) Southern Miss and Marshall are pipe dreams at best. For every 1 of their fans who says they want to move there are 20 who say "no way". The eastern schools won't want another FCS move up unless it's JMU. Even then, we've asked them to dance a few times and been shot down. Unlikely anyone wants to ask again.

1b) If Karl approaches a white whale like MU or S Miss does it make sense to offer a massive incentive like no entry fee to attract them?

2) If no viable option exists in the east do you tell UALR to s**t or get off the pot (in terms of starting a program)?

2a) If that happens is it clear that you "force" South Alabama to move east?

My real question is #1. The rest are just hypotheticals we've discussed ad nauseum. Feel free to ignore them.

Just curious...

1. Why do some of you want NMSU to join all-sports? I have nothing against NMSU, but history shows that football would be a drag on the conference most years.

2. Why do some of you want to move to 12 members? I thought the great idea behind the 10-team conference was that all members would make more money per school. I like the idea of our schools making close to $1-million dollars from the CFP payout versus a few hundred thousand dollars like CUSA schools make.

If we want to keep a tight foot print ( not a bus league) then NMSU would not fit unless we add UTEP to the mix. They are just too far out there for me. Plus I really do like our 10 team set up. I would even trade playing Troy a year to keep it if we have to.

My advice to the Big Sky would be get bigger, then split into two conferences with the two conferences agreeing to share a management team and pool their media rights and create agreements for inter-league play.

Make it two conferences from an NCAA rules standpoint and one for all other intents and purposes.

Sorry NMSU, but unless you plan on moving campus 1000 miles east, you just don't fit.

Who knows how long FBS is feasible for them, but there are enough conferences out there they should be able to land somewhere.

The WAC was once a big time conference with national championship football, not it is nearly defunct.

Give JMU one more chance to get off the pot.

They still decline, move on and invite Liberty/NMSU

Many of us in this conference are scheduling them anyway in multiple sports.

Just make it official. They both bring value to the league.

New Mexico State
Texas State
UT Arlington
Louisiana
ULM
Little Rock
Arkansas State

South Alabama
Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Liberty

(11-28-2017 08:20 AM)SouthJags2012 Wrote:  If we want to keep a tight foot print ( not a bus league) then NMSU would not fit unless we add UTEP to the mix. They are just too far out there for me. Plus I really do like our 10 team set up. I would even trade playing Troy a year to keep it if we have to.

I'm with you. I certainly don't believe the conference NEEDS 12 football members. I like most things about NMSU except for their remoteness. There would need to be a true home run 12th candidate that's not necessarily out there right now.

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(11-28-2017 12:45 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Give JMU one more chance to get off the pot.

They still decline, move on and invite Liberty/NMSU

Many of us in this conference are scheduling them anyway in multiple sports.

Just make it official. They both bring value to the league.

New Mexico State
Texas State
UT Arlington
Louisiana
ULM
Little Rock
Arkansas State

South Alabama
Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Liberty

Uh, USA wants to stay West, Liberty is a non-starter, and there's no reason to go beyond 12 teams anyway. There's only going to be one bid. I think that JMU/NMSU could be sold to the members. NMSU and Liberty...no way.

Before starting any ....Team A to the Belt, ask yourself these questions

1) Does adding that team make the league more money?
2) Does adding that team reduce costs?
3) Does adding that team create problems for the league?
4) Would adding that team make desired matchups for the existing members easier or harder?
5) Would adding that team improve the athletic product?
6) Would adding that team help recruiting?
7) Would adding that team help the exposure/reputation of the league?

And when you're done with that, ask yourself....do most/all of those questions make sense for EACH member of the league? If you can get to two thirds...then you might be able to credibly propose it.

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NMSU didn't get an all sports invite precisely because they didn't score well enough on the 7 questions for enough members.

I think that adding JMU with NMSU would make it work. LU? Not happening. And since JMU isn't interested, then there's no lifeline for NMSU from the Belt.

I think the Summit would be a good landing spot for them.

Liberty is still too toxic. Our SB Chancellors and Presidents see this. No matter how big LU gets, no matter how many buildings they construct, no matter who they schedule at home, as long as they remain what they currently are, no FBS conference will touch them. Hopefully the day will come when a Falwell no longer runs the place and LU academically joins the 21st Century. Then FBS conferences would be knocking the door down to have them. J-Boy Sr. always said he wanted LU to be the Notre Dame of evangelicals. Liberty is not even close. Notre Dame is a world renowned institution of empirical and critical study. If LU wants to match that they have a loooooooong way to go...............And I say this as a Baptist Pastor with over 40 yrs experience.

(11-28-2017 12:45 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Give JMU one more chance to get off the pot.

They still decline, move on and invite Liberty/NMSU

Many of us in this conference are scheduling them anyway in multiple sports.

Just make it official. They both bring value to the league.

New Mexico State
Texas State
UT Arlington
Louisiana
ULM
Little Rock
Arkansas State

South Alabama
Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Liberty

Stop, that's not happening. That makes the conference worse.

(11-28-2017 02:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 12:45 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Give JMU one more chance to get off the pot.

They still decline, move on and invite Liberty/NMSU

Many of us in this conference are scheduling them anyway in multiple sports.

Just make it official. They both bring value to the league.

New Mexico State
Texas State
UT Arlington
Louisiana
ULM
Little Rock
Arkansas State

South Alabama
Troy
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Liberty

Uh, USA wants to stay West, Liberty is a non-starter, and there's no reason to go beyond 12 teams anyway. There's only going to be one bid. I think that JMU/NMSU could be sold to the members. NMSU and Liberty...no way.

Before starting any ....Team A to the Belt, ask yourself these questions

1) Does adding that team make the league more money?
2) Does adding that team reduce costs?
3) Does adding that team create problems for the league?
4) Would adding that team make desired matchups for the existing members easier or harder?
5) Would adding that team improve the athletic product?
6) Would adding that team help recruiting?
7) Would adding that team help the exposure/reputation of the league?

And when you're done with that, ask yourself....do most/all of those questions make sense for EACH member of the league? If you can get to two thirds...then you might be able to credibly propose it.

----

NMSU didn't get an all sports invite precisely because they didn't score well enough on the 7 questions for enough members.

I think that adding JMU with NMSU would make it work. LU? Not happening. And since JMU isn't interested, then there's no lifeline for NMSU from the Belt.

I think the Summit would be a good landing spot for them.

well I see #5,6,7 as all yes answers. they are the last state flagship school out there, which no other sbc school is and they have a long history and national presence in basketball. they're not a football power but they improve us in other areas and most people outside of their own state have actually heard of them. it is true however that they would be on the fringe of even a western division..as for making the league more money that would only happen if they helped us get to be a 2 bid conference