I guess it is situational. You don't want pervs staking Wal-Mart and grabbing random pusssy, but if a woman is making out with me or grinding on my **** at a club, a grab of the pusssy is the next logical step. You cannot possibly conclude that is criminal.

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(11-24-2017 11:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 11:21 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 10:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:58 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Not if they didn't say no.

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Sounds like the Clinton's answer to many of the accusations against Bill, "It wasn't a crime since he stopped when they said no."

A woman has the right to say no at any point. Anything after that point is a crime. Anything before is not. That is the fair way to sort it out. It is not a crime to simply make a move and accept no as a response.

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sorry, no. the first clam-grab is not free. women can't be expected to walk around with a sign around their neck that says, "you are not invited to grab my gavina".

Disagree. Most of them like it. No way to know for sure unless you grab it.

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I can tell you this from personal experience.....when they grabbed mine, it was pedal to the metal green light go......and we did with frenzy and fury.....

the bottom line, unless you're up against a butch (and why grab that as a hetero), the X chromo doesn't stand a chance in role reversal....

I've never understood this as an valid tactic (coming from an alpha male)......the fish ARE EVERYWHERE.....all you have to do is float until they swim to ya.....

preying upon the meek is as big of a pussssy move as a MAN can make....they then are no longer a MAN....

(11-24-2017 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I guess it is situational. You don't want pervs staking Wal-Mart and grabbing random pusssy, but if a woman is making out with me or grinding on my **** at a club, a grab of the pusssy is the next logical step. You cannot possibly conclude that is criminal.

no argument there. no sane argument, any way.

(11-24-2017 11:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I guess it is situational. You don't want pervs staking Wal-Mart and grabbing random pusssy, but if a woman is making out with me or grinding on my **** at a club, a grab of the pusssy is the next logical step. You cannot possibly conclude that is criminal.

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Donald Trump, is that you?

(11-22-2017 04:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  utter bull****. demonstrably untrue. this and the "banned from the mall" fairy tale are all clearly false because if this **** went down the way the guys peddling the story said that it went down, there would be a police report.

that's right, an official document. something these accusers never seem to have. they've got imprecise, 40 year old memories that are totally inconsistent, and they have a 40 year old high school year book. in fact, the lack of actual proof itself proves that this is all a huge deception.

it's a ******* sham. the people that support the accusers may as well admit that they're trying to abduct a national election based on "evidence" that the national enquirer would be ashamed to use.

My step-daughter and her friend were banned from a Kohl's store once as underage teenagers when the friend tried to steal a small item. No official police document was ever filed because they agreed to never enter that store again or they would then face arrest.

Let's also not forget here that Moore was an Assistant DA at the time of these alleged incidents. None of you can really see him just being told to avoid the mall in lieu of official charges?

Think people...this likely happens all the time where high ranking local officials get special treatment that Joe Q. Citizen is not afforded with.

(11-24-2017 11:19 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:33 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Sounds like senatorial material. I saw that yesterday, one of his low-life supposed Christian supporters said he liked them young because of some sick 'purity' test.

They are coming up with the dumbest excuses to defend him, it's pathetic. And hiding behind religion to do it. Something a Muslim terrorist would do. Those who pretend to be so religious like Moore are usually just conmen.

Who on here that supports Moore has brought up his religion?

the only people talking about his religion are his attackers. in a weird, backwards way, it's an item in the phoney list of accusations.

This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

(11-24-2017 01:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  utter bull****. demonstrably untrue. this and the "banned from the mall" fairy tale are all clearly false because if this **** went down the way the guys peddling the story said that it went down, there would be a police report.

that's right, an official document. something these accusers never seem to have. they've got imprecise, 40 year old memories that are totally inconsistent, and they have a 40 year old high school year book. in fact, the lack of actual proof itself proves that this is all a huge deception.

it's a ******* sham. the people that support the accusers may as well admit that they're trying to abduct a national election based on "evidence" that the national enquirer would be ashamed to use.

My step-daughter and her friend were banned from a Kohl's store once as underage teenagers when the friend tried to steal a small item. No official police document was ever filed because they agreed to never enter that store again or they would then face arrest.

but the fact that they were children probably had a lot to do with the fact that (a) kohl's didn't call the cops, so (b) there was no official report.

but it's unimaginable that if a 30 year old man was preying on 14 year olds at a mall for backseat blowjobs, that someone wouldn't have called the cops at some point. it would actually be grossly irresponsible not to.

it's just one more reason that this whole artificial accusation is so utterly unbelievable.

(11-24-2017 01:14 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  utter bull****. demonstrably untrue. this and the "banned from the mall" fairy tale are all clearly false because if this **** went down the way the guys peddling the story said that it went down, there would be a police report.

that's right, an official document. something these accusers never seem to have. they've got imprecise, 40 year old memories that are totally inconsistent, and they have a 40 year old high school year book. in fact, the lack of actual proof itself proves that this is all a huge deception.

it's a ******* sham. the people that support the accusers may as well admit that they're trying to abduct a national election based on "evidence" that the national enquirer would be ashamed to use.

My step-daughter and her friend were banned from a Kohl's store once as underage teenagers when the friend tried to steal a small item. No official police document was ever filed because they agreed to never enter that store again or they would then face arrest.

but the fact that they were children probably had a lot to do with the fact that (a) kohl's didn't call the cops, so (b) there was no official report.

but it's unimaginable that if a 30 year old man was preying on 14 year olds at a mall for backseat blowjobs, that someone wouldn't have called the cops at some point. it would actually be grossly irresponsible not to.

it's just one more reason that this whole artificial accusation is so utterly unbelievable.

AGAIN, the guy was a fairly high ranking local official. Not Joe Q. Citizen. No report is a totally plausible possibility. Certainly as plausible as him being totally innocent and everyone, and every woman accusing him, making all this up.

(11-24-2017 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 11:19 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:33 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Sounds like senatorial material. I saw that yesterday, one of his low-life supposed Christian supporters said he liked them young because of some sick 'purity' test.

They are coming up with the dumbest excuses to defend him, it's pathetic. And hiding behind religion to do it. Something a Muslim terrorist would do. Those who pretend to be so religious like Moore are usually just conmen.

Who on here that supports Moore has brought up his religion?

the only people talking about his religion are his attackers. in a weird, backwards way, it's an item in the phoney list of accusations.

This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

(11-24-2017 01:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:14 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  utter bull****. demonstrably untrue. this and the "banned from the mall" fairy tale are all clearly false because if this **** went down the way the guys peddling the story said that it went down, there would be a police report.

that's right, an official document. something these accusers never seem to have. they've got imprecise, 40 year old memories that are totally inconsistent, and they have a 40 year old high school year book. in fact, the lack of actual proof itself proves that this is all a huge deception.

it's a ******* sham. the people that support the accusers may as well admit that they're trying to abduct a national election based on "evidence" that the national enquirer would be ashamed to use.

My step-daughter and her friend were banned from a Kohl's store once as underage teenagers when the friend tried to steal a small item. No official police document was ever filed because they agreed to never enter that store again or they would then face arrest.

but the fact that they were children probably had a lot to do with the fact that (a) kohl's didn't call the cops, so (b) there was no official report.

but it's unimaginable that if a 30 year old man was preying on 14 year olds at a mall for backseat blowjobs, that someone wouldn't have called the cops at some point. it would actually be grossly irresponsible not to.

it's just one more reason that this whole artificial accusation is so utterly unbelievable.

AGAIN, the guy was a fairly high ranking local official. Not Joe Q. Citizen. No report is a totally plausible possibility. Certainly as plausible as him being totally innocent and everyone, and every woman accusing him, is making all this up.

all the more reason that there would be a record somewhere. there's no way a predator could have preyed on 14 year olds for as long as is being represented, and there be zero credible evidence.

we're got hazy 40 year old memories that have already had holes poked in them, and a super suspicious year book.

it's just not possible.

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 11:19 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:33 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  They are coming up with the dumbest excuses to defend him, it's pathetic. And hiding behind religion to do it. Something a Muslim terrorist would do. Those who pretend to be so religious like Moore are usually just conmen.

Who on here that supports Moore has brought up his religion?

the only people talking about his religion are his attackers. in a weird, backwards way, it's an item in the phoney list of accusations.

This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

(11-24-2017 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 11:19 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Who on here that supports Moore has brought up his religion?

the only people talking about his religion are his attackers. in a weird, backwards way, it's an item in the phoney list of accusations.

This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

hmmm. her husband or your husband? srsly.

well, first of all, I haven't seen a story mentioning his supporters that didn't make them all out to be absolute cooks. whether they mentioned religion or not is almost beside the point.

but the national story is playing highly anti-God, and the only people that are waving the religion banner are attacking him with it.

(11-24-2017 01:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 11:19 AM)EagleX Wrote:  the only people talking about his religion are his attackers. in a weird, backwards way, it's an item in the phoney list of accusations.

This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

hmmm. her husband or your husband? srsly.

well, first of all, I haven't seen a story mentioning his supporters that didn't make them all out to be absolute cooks. whether they mentioned religion or not is almost beside the point.

but the national story is playing highly anti-God, and the only people that are waving the religion banner are attacking him with it.

Seriously...Of course I was married as a child to my husband who was in the army...

Anyway, whether his supporters are cooks or not, doesn't change the fact that they are NOT his accusers and ARE bringing up religion. Why can't you just admit you were wrong...is it really that difficult? Geez. Stop moving the goalposts.

(11-22-2017 02:08 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Personally I'd blame that on the mods and not users anyway. It's not tough to combine threads.

I'll be happy to nominate you to do so.

It's more time consuming than you think.. it would require actually reading all of the threads and posts to know what is 'the same' and what isn't. NOBODY has that much time.

Just because people speak about the same issues doesn't mean they have the same point to make. They frequently come around to similar issues, but they don't always start out that way.

OFTEN someone starts a new thread simply because the old one has gone so far afield that the original intent is lost. SOMETIMES it is because the original intent had no merit and the poster doesn't want to accept that... SOMETIMES it is because a new poster wants to talk about something other than what the last 30 posts of a thread were talking about.

I blame the posters who do this, not the 'volunteer' moderators

So what we really have here is some self-important policeman who didn't like Roy Moore deciding on his own he needed to keep him away from some cheerleaders? Or the same who is lying about it? Either way there seems to be built in prejudice against Moore on the part of the accuser.

(11-24-2017 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

hmmm. her husband or your husband? srsly.

well, first of all, I haven't seen a story mentioning his supporters that didn't make them all out to be absolute cooks. whether they mentioned religion or not is almost beside the point.

but the national story is playing highly anti-God, and the only people that are waving the religion banner are attacking him with it.

Seriously...Of course I was married as a child to my husband who was in the army...

Anyway, whether his supporters are cooks or not, doesn't change the fact that they are NOT his accusers and ARE bringing up religion. Why can't you just admit you were wrong...is it really that difficult? Geez. Stop moving the goalposts.

You have a husband? I had no idea.

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(11-24-2017 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is demonstrably not true. Nearly every person in Alabama that is supporting him personally has pointed to his faith as to why he is innocent. They've even gone as far as to interject Jesus' parents for cripes sake!

you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

hmmm. her husband or your husband? srsly.

well, first of all, I haven't seen a story mentioning his supporters that didn't make them all out to be absolute cooks. whether they mentioned religion or not is almost beside the point.

but the national story is playing highly anti-God, and the only people that are waving the religion banner are attacking him with it.

Seriously...Of course I was married as a child to my husband who was in the army...

Anyway, whether his supporters are cooks or not, doesn't change the fact that they are NOT his accusers and ARE bringing up religion. Why can't you just admit you were wrong...is it really that difficult? Geez. Stop moving the goalposts.

I will concede that it's quite unlikely that zero of his supporters have mentioned his christianity as a reason that they support him.

moving on . . . .

well, see, there you go. they're all "cooks". all 5 million alabamians. and if moore wins, we all know you're going to go there.

you know, it's that exact kind or reckless general statement that possesses people to say that all gay men are promiscuous.

sauce for the goose, my friend.

(11-24-2017 06:15 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:17 PM)EagleX Wrote:  you obviously don't like alabama very much, so why do you care if someone you think is a creep represents them in the senate? seems like it would be perfectly appropriate in your eyes.

I'm pretty sure I know the answer. I just want to see if you've got the guts to say it.

First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

hmmm. her husband or your husband? srsly.

well, first of all, I haven't seen a story mentioning his supporters that didn't make them all out to be absolute cooks. whether they mentioned religion or not is almost beside the point.

but the national story is playing highly anti-God, and the only people that are waving the religion banner are attacking him with it.

Seriously...Of course I was married as a child to my husband who was in the army...

Anyway, whether his supporters are cooks or not, doesn't change the fact that they are NOT his accusers and ARE bringing up religion. Why can't you just admit you were wrong...is it really that difficult? Geez. Stop moving the goalposts.

I will concede that it's quite unlikely that zero of his supporters have mentioned his christianity as a reason that they support him.

moving on . . . .

well, see, there you go. they're all "cooks". all 5 million alabamians. and if moore wins, we all know you're going to go there.

you know, it's that exact kind or reckless general statement that possesses people to say that all gay men are promiscuous.

sauce for the goose, my friend.

XACLY!

they simply don't understand the rules of engagement....they thought they did.....ooooooopppppppssssy poooooooopppppsy......

(11-24-2017 06:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 06:15 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 03:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:26 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  First, this is just a deflection on your part. It's more than clear his local supporters are citing his religion as proof of his innocence. You said the only people talking about his religion are his accusers. This is just not true and still isn't.

Finally, I love Alabama. Been there many times as a child when my sister and husband were stationed at Ft. Rucker and also went to Talladega several times for races, and spent several weekends there.

And I don't care at all who Alabama residents choose to represent them. I'll only say that they deserve what happens as a result of who they elect.

hmmm. her husband or your husband? srsly.

well, first of all, I haven't seen a story mentioning his supporters that didn't make them all out to be absolute cooks. whether they mentioned religion or not is almost beside the point.

but the national story is playing highly anti-God, and the only people that are waving the religion banner are attacking him with it.

Seriously...Of course I was married as a child to my husband who was in the army...

Anyway, whether his supporters are cooks or not, doesn't change the fact that they are NOT his accusers and ARE bringing up religion. Why can't you just admit you were wrong...is it really that difficult? Geez. Stop moving the goalposts.

I will concede that it's quite unlikely that zero of his supporters have mentioned his christianity as a reason that they support him.

moving on . . . .

well, see, there you go. they're all "cooks". all 5 million alabamians. and if moore wins, we all know you're going to go there.

you know, it's that exact kind or reckless general statement that possesses people to say that all gay men are promiscuous.

sauce for the goose, my friend.

XACLY!

they simply don't understand the rules of engagement....they thought they did.....ooooooopppppppssssy poooooooopppppsy......

They are in a new paradigm still playing the old driving grandma off a cliff and dragging darkie behind a truck game.

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