Didn't the AAC attempt to add BSU & SDSU previously? Or was that prior to the BE split?

(11-22-2017 07:49 AM)ADallasTiger Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...-110869482


A loss to ECU-in theory- and a win in the AAC Championship game might not get us there.

Said the other days that we should worry if UCF loses to USF as we could see Boise jump us in the playoff polls.

Would love to see them split with Fresno St the next two games. Really do not think they could beat Fresno st twice in back to back games. But also do not want to see Fresno win both games.

(11-22-2017 02:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Didn't the AAC attempt to add BSU & SDSU previously? Or was that prior to the BE split?

They helped kill the Big East once they left (before they played a game). I wouldn’t add them to the American. Bad geography and bad history.

(11-22-2017 12:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  There's no reason to add Boise St. They are dying a not-so-slow death.

Disagree.

No Boise or anyone else.

Quit doing this.

And agree with the others...this is pure likes to argue guy.

Comparing all teams against the very best will almost always result in less success. In other words, Boise State's undefeated teams were better than a two loss team. The MWC is better than their prior league, and they have essentially dominated it.

We have four nice seasons and suddenly thumb our nose at a 9-2 Ranked Boise State because they are not 11-0?

Please.

(11-22-2017 11:08 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Of course Colorado State has the shiny new $220M on campus stadium that opened this year, which they rightfully sold pretty hard during the B12 sweepstakes. Air Force academy is only 120 miles away, so don't know if the American would want two schools so close together.

San Diego State would be the other option. Got into the Top 25 after beating Arizona State and Stanford in back-to-back weeks earlier this season.

BYU might not be so cocky anymore after the B12 turned them down, and with their declining performance since Bronco left.

I am for not adding anyone, but if we were forced to, I would vote for Col State and BYU. Go West Young Man (but not too far West). BYU to the AAC just makes sense, and Col St would be a good bridge to them.

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Where are we? Contemplating if a 2 loss Boise St can even win the CCG in a crappy MWC conference? I dont think you are accurately recalling exactly how high up Boise St was.

Are you just arguing to be arguing? Bryan Harsin is 40-11 since taking over at Boise. 25-6 in conference. Any objective observer would say they haven't missed a beat. And I would take Boise in the American in a heartbeat.

Not missed a beat? Do you realize how pathetic the MWC has been during that time? You think 25-6 is good while being a member of a conference that was ranked below the sun belt at one point? Boise St was once regarded as BCS bowl level quality. Show me where they have been BCS Bowl level quality since. And please, spare me that they beat Troy this year.

Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure. They won the Fiesta Bowl, lol. Haven't finished lower than 2nd in their conference since 1998. They have future games against Oklahoma State, Florida State and Michigan State. So they schedule nationally. So back to his smart ass "where are we" response: we're in the middle of another fine Boise State season where once again, they haven't gone under. And the American would benefit from adding them. And I recall how high Boise State was. They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Hmm, let's see, this year they have a marquis win against....SDSU. And were trounced at home by world-beater Virginia.
Last year they had no ranked opponents, and lost to Air Force and Baylor..
2015, again no ranked opponents, losses included Utah St and New Mexico
They did have the Fiesta Bowl win 4 years ago... other than that not much.
Touting their wins over the past 4 years is a red herring; look at who their actual opponents are...
No thanks, we don't need to add teams that will be the featured team at 10:30 East Coast time

We're spread out enough as it is.

I wouldn't kick any of our members out for someone west of our current footprint.

(11-22-2017 03:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:08 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Of course Colorado State has the shiny new $220M on campus stadium that opened this year, which they rightfully sold pretty hard during the B12 sweepstakes. Air Force academy is only 120 miles away, so don't know if the American would want two schools so close together.

San Diego State would be the other option. Got into the Top 25 after beating Arizona State and Stanford in back-to-back weeks earlier this season.

BYU might not be so cocky anymore after the B12 turned them down, and with their declining performance since Bronco left.

I am for not adding anyone, but if we were forced to, I would vote for Col State and BYU. Go West Young Man (but not too far West). BYU to the AAC just makes sense, and Col St would be a good bridge to them.

Boise is very far west. Might only make sense football only, which IIRC was the deal Boise had with the Big East.

I would support adding 4 western teams, even if it meant losing a couple of the East teams. If ECU is now losing at football, they don't add much to the AAC.

So what's the plan here? To add and drop members because they're down NOW?

We'd be one bad hire away from being sent to Conference USA.

This is stupid.

(11-22-2017 03:27 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Are you just arguing to be arguing? Bryan Harsin is 40-11 since taking over at Boise. 25-6 in conference. Any objective observer would say they haven't missed a beat. And I would take Boise in the American in a heartbeat.

Not missed a beat?

Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure.They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Hmm, let's see, this year they have a marquis win against....SDSU. And were trounced at home by world-beater Virginia.

No thanks, we don't need to add teams that will be the featured team at 10:30 East Coast time

They took Washington State to 3 overtimes at Washington State; if Washington St beats Washington this week they play USC in the PAC12 ccg. Guess you missed that one.

How quickly some of us have turned to football snobs. Looking down our noses at a program that has won 40 games and a Fiesta Bowl in the last 4 years.

(11-22-2017 03:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  So what's the plan here? To add and drop members because they're down NOW?

We'd be one bad hire away from being sent to Conference USA.

This is stupid.

No, it's smart. To add programs like BYU and Boise with the added TV sets they would bring, I sure would. I would be ruthless in building the AAC brand, because we ain't getting any P5 invites. It's not just that ECU is losing, it's that football is all they have to offer. Terrible at hoops, small tv market, doesn't really fit with the urban footprint of the rest of the AAC.

SEC should drop Vandy. ACC should drop Wake Forest. Those conferences won't do it, but the AAC should. Would show that the AAC isn't resting on its laurels, and wants to keep improving. A college football Darwinism for all to see.

(11-22-2017 03:27 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Are you just arguing to be arguing? Bryan Harsin is 40-11 since taking over at Boise. 25-6 in conference. Any objective observer would say they haven't missed a beat. And I would take Boise in the American in a heartbeat.

Not missed a beat? Do you realize how pathetic the MWC has been during that time? You think 25-6 is good while being a member of a conference that was ranked below the sun belt at one point? Boise St was once regarded as BCS bowl level quality. Show me where they have been BCS Bowl level quality since. And please, spare me that they beat Troy this year.

Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure. They won the Fiesta Bowl, lol. Haven't finished lower than 2nd in their conference since 1998. They have future games against Oklahoma State, Florida State and Michigan State. So they schedule nationally. So back to his smart ass "where are we" response: we're in the middle of another fine Boise State season where once again, they haven't gone under. And the American would benefit from adding them. And I recall how high Boise State was. They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Hmm, let's see, this year they have a marquis win against....SDSU. And were trounced at home by world-beater Virginia.
Last year they had no ranked opponents, and lost to Air Force and Baylor..
2015, again no ranked opponents, losses included Utah St and New Mexico
They did have the Fiesta Bowl win 4 years ago... other than that not much.
Touting their wins over the past 4 years is a red herring; look at who their actual opponents are...
No thanks, we don't need to add teams that will be the featured team at 10:30 East Coast time

marquee* Seriously?

(11-22-2017 03:45 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  So what's the plan here? To add and drop members because they're down NOW?

We'd be one bad hire away from being sent to Conference USA.

This is stupid.

No, it's smart. To add programs like BYU and Boise with the added TV sets they would bring, I sure would. I would be ruthless in building the AAC brand, because we ain't getting any P5 invites. It's not just that ECU is losing, it's that football is all they have to offer. Terrible at hoops, small tv market, doesn't really fit with the urban footprint of the rest of the AAC.

SEC should drop Vandy. ACC should drop Wake Forest. Those conferences won't do it, but the AAC should. Would show that the AAC isn't resting on its laurels, and wants to keep improving. A college football Darwinism for all to see.

I agree that BSU & BYU would help with the conference standing potentially (P6 idea) but not sure BSU moves the TV ratings needle. You could get all of ID, MT and western WA to tune in & still not move the needle much. And the logistics costs are substantial. Maybe, a western div of BSU, BYU, UH, Tulsa, SMU, Navy & Tulane, moving us east. And then add Gonzaga for Oly sports, we'd legitimately be P6.

(11-22-2017 04:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:45 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  So what's the plan here? To add and drop members because they're down NOW?

We'd be one bad hire away from being sent to Conference USA.

This is stupid.

No, it's smart. To add programs like BYU and Boise with the added TV sets they would bring, I sure would. I would be ruthless in building the AAC brand, because we ain't getting any P5 invites. It's not just that ECU is losing, it's that football is all they have to offer. Terrible at hoops, small tv market, doesn't really fit with the urban footprint of the rest of the AAC.

SEC should drop Vandy. ACC should drop Wake Forest. Those conferences won't do it, but the AAC should. Would show that the AAC isn't resting on its laurels, and wants to keep improving. A college football Darwinism for all to see.

I agree that BSU & BYU would help with the conference standing potentially (P6 idea) but not sure BSU moves the TV ratings needle. You could get all of ID, MT and western WA to tune in & still not move the needle much. And the logistics costs are substantial. Maybe, a western div of BSU, BYU, UH, Tulsa, SMU, Navy & Tulane, moving us east. And then add Gonzaga for Oly sports, we'd legitimately be P6.

For football only, manageable logistics. We fly to all the games anyway.

And BYU and Boise outdraw what their local markets, if that makes any sense.

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Where are we? Contemplating if a 2 loss Boise St can even win the CCG in a crappy MWC conference? I dont think you are accurately recalling exactly how high up Boise St was.

Are you just arguing to be arguing? Bryan Harsin is 40-11 since taking over at Boise. 25-6 in conference. Any objective observer would say they haven't missed a beat. And I would take Boise in the American in a heartbeat.

Not missed a beat? Do you realize how pathetic the MWC has been during that time? You think 25-6 is good while being a member of a conference that was ranked below the sun belt at one point? Boise St was once regarded as BCS bowl level quality. Show me where they have been BCS Bowl level quality since. And please, spare me that they beat Troy this year.

Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure. They won the Fiesta Bowl, lol. Haven't finished lower than 2nd in their conference since 1998. They have future games against Oklahoma State, Florida State and Michigan State. So they schedule nationally. So back to his smart ass "where are we" response: we're in the middle of another fine Boise State season where once again, they haven't gone under. And the American would benefit from adding them. And I recall how high Boise State was. They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Boise St final AP ranking
2008 - 11
2009 - 4
2010 - 9
2011 - 9
2012 - 8
************
This is where Boise was suppose to join us in conference,
but decided to go back to the crappy MWC. This is where many
of us said they would start to become irrelevant.
************
2013 - NR
2014 - 16
2015 - NR
2016 - NR

See the difference now?

(11-22-2017 01:54 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:48 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I have a hard time believing there's any real scenario where the AAC CCG winner is not in the Access slot. We lose to ECU, we drop to around #23 (where Boise is now). But we beat UCF/USF, we're right back above them. The winner of UCF/USF beats us, they're in. USF would have to jump Boise - but 2 straight wins over UCF and us would do it.

We won't lose to ECU, so it's moot, IMO.

But if we were to lose to ECU, we would drop way further than to #23. Out of the Top 25, and would get very few poll votes. G5 schools get punished for losses to bad teams, especially late in the season.

No kidding - East Carolina is #127 in the Sagarin ranking.

(11-22-2017 03:32 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:13 PM)SouthernBoiNOLA Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 11:08 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Of course Colorado State has the shiny new $220M on campus stadium that opened this year, which they rightfully sold pretty hard during the B12 sweepstakes. Air Force academy is only 120 miles away, so don't know if the American would want two schools so close together.

San Diego State would be the other option. Got into the Top 25 after beating Arizona State and Stanford in back-to-back weeks earlier this season.

BYU might not be so cocky anymore after the B12 turned them down, and with their declining performance since Bronco left.

I am for not adding anyone, but if we were forced to, I would vote for Col State and BYU. Go West Young Man (but not too far West). BYU to the AAC just makes sense, and Col St would be a good bridge to them.

Boise is very far west. Might only make sense football only, which IIRC was the deal Boise had with the Big East.

I would support adding 4 western teams, even if it meant losing a couple of the East teams. If ECU is now losing at football, they don't add much to the AAC.

Cmon man, dont piss off ECU, we gotta play them Saturday.

We need to do WHATEVER to get into the Px. Nothing else matters and virtually any realistic costs related to travel are worth it. The G5 tag is constantly used to discriminate against us. The improved perception alone could be worth the increased costs and increase revenues, but the Px payout is the bonus we need. As long as we are on the wrong side of the Px/Gx divide, our opportunities to grown our brand and increase revenues will be limited.
Add Boise, add SDSU, BYU, and Colo St. I have a very hard time seeing how that conference could be kept out of the Px family. If you must, add Army & Air Force for football only as I'd love to see a conference this strong with the 3 military academies be denied. There would be a large political push to make it happen. The longer we wait, the harder it is to keep up, and the harder it gets to EVER make a case for
inclusion.

(By the way, why on earth did Boise and SDSU bail on the Big East which was their ticket to the Px membership?)