So I saw on the Twitter machine where Ryan Yuracheck was tweeting about fans boycotting the final game this season. What's got everyone riled up in Huntington to cause this?

After last season when our offense was beyond putrid, I think we finished 114th in total offense, the AD put out a letter acknowledging the problem. Additionally, in a newspaper article, he stated that he was raising $250k so we could make some specific changes. He raised the money, those changes never happened, which we assumed was a buyout of the OC.

Well, flash to 2017 and we are currently ranked 96th in total offense despite having a 3 year starter at QB, a massive influx of WR talent, and perhaps the best TE in the league. Fun fact, our OC, in his 8 years at Marshall has only produced an offense ranked in the top half of FBS 3 times. Just so happens that all three times were with a guy named Cato audibling out of the OC's play calls most of the time or making some ridiculous pocket escape and improvising.

We want our OC gone. Big problem, he's our head coach's best friend.

Bill Legg has been the OC for 8 years. Many have wanted him fired for at least 3 years some longer. Doc won’t fire him. So they want Doc fires too. Hamrick won’t fire Doc so they want him fired too. The president won’t fire Hamrick so they want him fired too.

I would be happy with Legg gone.

Doc has one Conference championship on 8 years. Many fans think he should have at least 8. He prob would have more without Legg.

Herd fans have little to no respect for this conference and its current membership so losing even one game isn’t acceptable.

After going 3-9, many thought going 7-5 would be good. Problem is we started 6-1. So at the midway point everyone’s expectations changed from a winning record to another championship. Then we lost 3 of 4 and now we are talking about boycotts

im not sure the expectations changed as much as it is watching some of the most boring football I have ever seen out of Marshall. Taking nothing away from UTSA, we had 60 yards in a half of football. I wouldn't even think that was acceptable against Alabama. Taking nothing away from Charlotte, but we were hard pressed to score 14 points against them. Taking nothing away from our 5 opponents we have played at home this year, but we haven't scored a first quarter offensive TD at home all season.

When you go all season without a first quarter TD at home that tells me you aren't putting a lot of thought in to a gameplan. All season we have basically sat back on offense and waited for special teams or defense to give us manageable field position, which we don't capitalize on at a high rate. This is the first season since 2010 we haven't had at least one 40 point game on offense.

Our offense has kept us from being a 10 win team. Our defense and special teams have been well above solid this year. We have a top 20 scoring defense, top 20 rushing defense, a top 6 red zone defense, a top 10 kickoff coverage, a top ten kickoff return, solid net punting, etc.

We are not close to being top half in FBS in any offensive category except being 64th in passing yards. Our redzone offense is horrid at 103rd.

In other words, people know where the problem is and are trying to get somebody to do something about it. I will go in to recognize the seniors before the game then return to my tailgate and drink.

Oh, and preseason it was expected that Miami (OH) had a team that would compete for the MAC east and that Cincinnati would be respectable. Both those teams turned out to be crap.

I don't think there's been any real organized talk of a boycott, but the attendance of our last three home games (plus going back to the finale against WKU last year) has been embarrassing. We will finish with our worst FBS season average attendance this year.

This is the third straight season we've struggle to find an offensive identity (ever since Cato walked out the building). I think the optimism of this staff returning us back to where Marshall should be (as an elite G5 power) is gone. If we had anything resembling a nationally-average or consistent offense, this year would have looked a lot different...

So, Herd fans are basically saying your HC doesn't have a Legg to stand on.....

Sweep the Legg.

(11-19-2017 10:55 PM)MU42 Wrote:  Herd fans have little to no respect for this conference and its current membership so losing even one game isn’t acceptable.

This is why you're an ass. Speak for yourself. Do I believe we should compete for a title every year? Yes. Does that mean I don't respect our fellow conference members? No. I respect a lot of them more than I do our team at this point in time. Every team in our league will make you earn that title. No one is giving it away. Not respecting each team in this league is done at your own risk and this year more than ever it's been proven that anyone can beat anyone.

Any Marshall fan that thinks we are better than anyone else "just because" will spend their time in hell watching reruns of the Charlotte game last year. We are part of the weakness of CUSA, not the strength. The days of dominating conference are over for us, at least, and may never return till severe changes are made.

Sounds like The Herd fans are like most every other fan of NCAA schools. They think they know more than the coaches who are with the team every day , and will tell you that from their doctor’s offices, plumber’s shops, teacher’s break rooms, etc. they will tell you who the best quarterback is, and it is usually a true freshman who has never stepped on the field, and they know for a fact that this OC is crap and doesn’t know what he is doing. Dang, I thought you guys were talking about our school...

(11-20-2017 07:05 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Sounds like The Herd fans are like most every other fan of NCAA schools. They think they know more than the coaches who are with the team every day , and will tell you that from their doctor’s offices, plumber’s shops, teacher’s break rooms, etc. they will tell you who the best quarterback is, and it is usually a true freshman who has never stepped on the field, and they know for a fact that this OC is crap and doesn’t know what he is doing. Dang, I thought you guys were talking about our school...

You nailed it! You have just heard from some of our more responsible posters, there is not much I can add. I have never missed a bowl game, my brothers family and mine always meet for a small reunion, we will not be going this year, watching Legg run an offense is to laborious. Would add with possibly one exception our disdain has not been directed at the players, the Herd nation does support the players and believe we do have the talent to compete in CUSA.

Looks like Herd and MT fans have a lot in common. For the last few years it was the defensive coordinator.

We fixed that but now we seem to have a problem at OL and WR. It's always something. Always. I have identified the perfect illustration of the problem in Murfreesboro...

I'll add my two cents.

First of all, MU42 must be including himself in his reply to the OP about the lack of respect for CUSA because of the ridiculous post about UTSA in which he stated, "I don't feel so bad about this one now." Good call, Kreskin!

Secondly, the issue is that Marshall has a relatively older fan base who remember the days of 1 and two win seasons...but then enjoyed nearly 20 years of dominating I-AA and the MAC. Recently, it appeared Marshall was on a massive upswing in 2013 and 2014. Cato, Shuler, and the OL exhausted eligibility/graduated and then 2015 was not as successful.

In 2015, I think all of the fans expected an extremely vanilla game plan when chase took over for Birdsong in game 3. We still went to a bowl and defeated Connecticut.

Enter 2016. "Chase Boogy" Litton changes his number from 14 to 1 and got a case of the big head. Got steamrolled during the Akron game and pretty much was useless for the rest of the year. Inner turmoil ensued. In the off season, Mike Scamrick sent a letter out that addressed the offense (or lack thereof) and promised changes that didn't happen. All they did was shuffle people around within the program (zero new blood/ideas).

So enter 2017. Litton publicly says all of the right things to win back the fans, but the Herd's offensive weaknesses appear right away in the home opener. However, the defense is what keeps the Herd on the winning path.

The SuperFans ***** about fans bitching, but the point is that Doc is 14-32 against teams with a winning record and with the way things are now, it won't improve. All of our fans love the players. THAT is what (at least me) fans are upset with.

What sucks for the players is that a lot of people realize that the only way to get the ADept to notice anything is to hit it in the purse strings. Unfortunately, the collateral damage is the obvious lack of support as it translates to the players seeing more empty seats than full. Im not one for boycotting a game, but I'm not happy at all with the way things are going.

Furthermore, when you have an arrogant AD who decided to reseat all season ticket holders on a first-come first-serve basis, people who had their tickets for decades lost them. THAT pissed THEM off as well. They stopped donating. Then, the brilliant Scamrick basically told fans that if you don't donate a bunch, we don't want your opinion... That pissed some people off, including me. Until the OC problems are fixed and the rift between the ADept and the fan base, We Are....In Trouble!

I hope we honor Ryan Yuracheck with our level of play Saturday because he is one hell of a football player. SMTTT

I've been a season ticket holder and Big Green member for 5-6 years. We dropped both after last season. I told the AD and Big Green I wouldn't be back until Legg was gone.....I havent been to a single game this year.

After the crap this season I wont be back until a few things happen.

1. Legg has to go. That is a MUST.

2. Doc has to go or at least win a championship. Whichever happens first.

(11-20-2017 09:29 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I'll add my two cents.

First of all, MU42 must be including himself in his reply to the OP about the lack of respect for CUSA because of the ridiculous post about UTSA in which he stated, "I don't feel so bad about this one now." Good call, Kreskin!

Secondly, the issue is that Marshall has a relatively older fan base who remember the days of 1 and two win seasons...but then enjoyed nearly 20 years of dominating I-AA and the MAC. Recently, it appeared Marshall was on a massive upswing in 2013 and 2014. Cato, Shuler, and the OL exhausted eligibility/graduated and then 2015 was not as successful.

In 2015, I think all of the fans expected an extremely vanilla game plan when chase took over for Birdsong in game 3. We still went to a bowl and defeated Connecticut.

Enter 2016. "Chase Boogy" Litton changes his number from 14 to 1 and got a case of the big head. Got steamrolled during the Akron game and pretty much was useless for the rest of the year. Inner turmoil ensued. In the off season, Mike Scamrick sent a letter out that addressed the offense (or lack thereof) and promised changes that didn't happen. All they did was shuffle people around within the program (zero new blood/ideas).

So enter 2017. Litton publicly says all of the right things to win back the fans, but the Herd's offensive weaknesses appear right away in the home opener. However, the defense is what keeps the Herd on the winning path.

The SuperFans ***** about fans bitching, but the point is that Doc is 14-32 against teams with a winning record and with the way things are now, it won't improve. All of our fans love the players. THAT is what (at least me) fans are upset with.

What sucks for the players is that a lot of people realize that the only way to get the ADept to notice anything is to hit it in the purse strings. Unfortunately, the collateral damage is the obvious lack of support as it translates to the players seeing more empty seats than full. Im not one for boycotting a game, but I'm not happy at all with the way things are going.

Furthermore, when you have an arrogant AD who decided to reseat all season ticket holders on a first-come first-serve basis, people who had their tickets for decades lost them. THAT pissed THEM off as well. They stopped donating. Then, the brilliant Scamrick basically told fans that if you don't donate a bunch, we don't want your opinion... That pissed some people off, including me. Until the OC problems are fixed and the rift between the ADept and the fan base, We Are....In Trouble!

Well said. The fans are tired be being blamed for losses by the AD and tired of being treated like fools.

As said before, fire Legg, get a new QB in place for 2018 and all will be well. We have 19 starters returning and many more with vast playing experience. We get FAU and MT at home next year as well. Could be a great year. But the OC MUST change!

I don't think you'll see too many negative comments from me on coaching issues over the years. I'm a fairly patient guy. But I have to say that the last two seasons give me great cause on the sustainability of our coaching staff as it now exists. Like an earlier poster, I think that Legg has fully demonstrated that he is NOT a championship caliber OC. It's not even a close call. The overall offensive stats (excluding the Cato years clearly -- as an OP convincingly argues) reveals the deficiencies. Yeah, we can potentially lay some of the blame at Litton's feet last year, with his reported attitude issues, but an effective OC could have righted that situation pretty quickly, imo.

While Doc bears some of the blame, I'm not-- necessarily -- ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. I'd retain him as he does seem to have an ability to find talent. He also has very capable assistants in other areas of the game (OL, DC) to name but two who impress me. But, I don't see one earthly reason to retain Bill Legg as OC. He needs to be replaced, and if Doc won't do it, then he may need to go as well. The problem with Bill Legg is that serious in my opinion.

By the way, this conference is more than just fine. In fact, I rather like the conference, and the negativity on the conference from some posters is getting to be a bit old! The level of competition has certainly increased, some great rivalries are in the making, we've done well in post-season bowl games, and there is considerable parity in the league. I doubt anyone saw an FAU - North Texas championship game this year. UAB!!!! Are you kidding me? What a success story.

But it's time for Bill Legg to go. Something must be done this year.

(11-19-2017 10:14 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  So I saw on the Twitter machine where Ryan Yuracheck was tweeting about fans boycotting the final game this season. What's got everyone riled up in Huntington to cause this?

Whiny ass fans who forgot the team win 30 games in 3 years because there was a fluke season last year and now that the team could win 8 they’re pissy it wasn’t 9 games even though those same fans were crying that we wouldn’t win 3 games this year even though people like myself laughed at them knowing 7 or 8 would be easy and hoping for 9 or 10 and a conf championship.

(11-19-2017 11:31 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  I don't think there's been any real organized talk of a boycott, but the attendance of our last three home games (plus going back to the finale against WKU last year) has been embarrassing. We will finish with our worst FBS season average attendance this year.

BINGO

I’ve never seen The Joan so empty. Lucky to see 20,000. It’s crazy.

(11-20-2017 10:26 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(11-19-2017 10:14 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  So I saw on the Twitter machine where Ryan Yuracheck was tweeting about fans boycotting the final game this season. What's got everyone riled up in Huntington to cause this?

Whiny ass fans who forgot the team win 30 games in 3 years because there was a fluke season last year and now that the team could win 8 they’re pissy it wasn’t 9 games even though those same fans were crying that we wouldn’t win 3 games this year even though people like myself laughed at them knowing 7 or 8 would be easy and hoping for 9 or 10 and a conf championship.

Obviously you don't watch much college football or sports in general. How about that Illinois football program. Do they have more fans attend when they win or lose? Do the fans ever complain about the coaches or want them replaced? Yes? Wow! Can't believe we aren't the only ones.