http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/wp-conten...0jul11.pdf


So yes, consumption alters body of both plant and animal. My advice is grow a garden in your backyard or deck and forage if possible. Other than that, organic and free range. Research how to prepare food too maximize nutritional intake. You are what you eat and also how you eat it.

(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I checked the YouTube and didn't see them, but does he have a list of his sources he used? Endocrinology is an amazingly complex subject matter and I don't know if a YouTube video citing clear Twitter trolls is a source one should really accept on the matter.

Put down the soy latte and go lift.

I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

(11-17-2017 01:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Now the question is, why would God create a plant that would alter procreation?

Why is that a question? non-sequiter

(11-17-2017 02:38 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 01:58 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Now the question is, why would God create a plant that would alter procreation?

Why is that a question? non-sequiter

It’s about balance. The soy plant is a perfect example. Over consumption alters the plant biologically. Animals eat plants which alter them as a result. Personally, I think vegetarians are killing the human species by altering flora. But that’s just me.

They chop down rain forest to grow crops. It’s the vegans that are killing the earth.

(11-17-2017 02:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  They chop down rain forest to grow crops. It’s the vegans that are killing the earth.

More land is needed for food animals than plants... I'm no vegan but you're being silly.

(11-17-2017 02:52 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  They chop down rain forest to grow crops. It’s the vegans that are killing the earth.

More land is needed for food animals than plants... I'm no vegan but you're being silly.

Have you ever looked at animal population studies? As a whole, not by species?
I would also ask what plants you are eating? Variety is the key. Brussel sprouts same as broccoli. That is not variation.

(11-17-2017 02:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:52 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  They chop down rain forest to grow crops. It’s the vegans that are killing the earth.

More land is needed for food animals than plants... I'm no vegan but you're being silly.

Have you ever looked at animal population studies? As a whole, not by species?

Food - Million calories per acre - Assumptions
Wheat 6.4 Irrigated
Corn 12.3 Irrigated
Potatoes 17.8 Irrigated
Soybeans 2.1 Irrigated
Beef 1.1 Cows fed solely on corn, feed to meat conversion ratio of 8, 1000 calories per pound of beef
Pork 3.5 Pigs fed solely on corn, feed to meat conversion ratio of 3.5, 1385 calories per pound of pork
Chicken 1.4 Chickens fed solely on corn and soybeans

(11-17-2017 03:02 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:52 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:50 PM)Dasville Wrote:  They chop down rain forest to grow crops. It’s the vegans that are killing the earth.

More land is needed for food animals than plants... I'm no vegan but you're being silly.

Have you ever looked at animal population studies? As a whole, not by species?

Food - Million calories per acre - Assumptions
Wheat 6.4 Irrigated
Corn 12.3 Irrigated
Potatoes 17.8 Irrigated
Soybeans 2.1 Irrigated
Beef 1.1 Cows fed solely on corn, feed to meat conversion ratio of 8, 1000 calories per pound of beef
Pork 3.5 Pigs fed solely on corn, feed to meat conversion ratio of 3.5, 1385 calories per pound of pork
Chicken 1.4 Chickens fed solely on corn and soybeans

Lol. The vegans are killing us. Please reference nutrition composition of the meat produced by your proposed diet. Please reference the progenitor species of the animals you are using. I would suggest an alteration.

I'm going to leave this here. What your children eat, will determine what grandchildren you will have. Food effects hormones and that is a peer reviewed proven fact. Just on pure instinct, animals procreate in order to pass on genetics. If you change the food, you change the instinct.
Don't let the veggies fool you.

(11-17-2017 03:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I'm going to leave this here. What your children eat, will determine what grandchildren you will have. Food effects hormones and that is a peer reviewed proven fact. Just on pure instinct, animals procreate in order to pass on genetics. If you change the food, you change the instinct.
Don't let the veggies fool you.

Fully agree. It is precisely how Generation Soy came to be. Parents feeding their kids what is "good for them". No milk, red meat, or fat. Just veggies, tofu burgers, and soy milk.

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I'm going to leave this here. What your children eat, will determine what grandchildren you will have. Food effects hormones and that is a peer reviewed proven fact. Just on pure instinct, animals procreate in order to pass on genetics. If you change the food, you change the instinct.
Don't let the veggies fool you.

Fully agree. It is precisely how Generation Soy came to be. Parents feeding their kids what is "good for them". No milk, red meat, or fat. Just veggies, tofu burgers, and soy milk.

Population control is not just a number. It's also the character of the population. Vegans will kill to avoid eating meat. Omnivores will eat just a little of everything.
Balance is what is lacking. Vegans and vegetarians have altered and are destroying the planet. It is a fact. No one can dispute this. It is evidence based.
There is a fact pattern.

(11-17-2017 02:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I checked the YouTube and didn't see them, but does he have a list of his sources he used? Endocrinology is an amazingly complex subject matter and I don't know if a YouTube video citing clear Twitter trolls is a source one should really accept on the matter.

Put down the soy latte and go lift.

I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

(11-17-2017 03:52 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I'm going to leave this here. What your children eat, will determine what grandchildren you will have. Food effects hormones and that is a peer reviewed proven fact. Just on pure instinct, animals procreate in order to pass on genetics. If you change the food, you change the instinct.
Don't let the veggies fool you.

Fully agree. It is precisely how Generation Soy came to be. Parents feeding their kids what is "good for them". No milk, red meat, or fat. Just veggies, tofu burgers, and soy milk.

Population control is not just a number. It's also the character of the population. Vegans will kill to avoid eating meat. Omnivores will eat just a little of everything.
Balance is what is lacking. Vegans and vegetarians have altered and are destroying the planet. It is a fact. No one can dispute this. It is evidence based.
There is a fact pattern.

Wait, in what way are vegans and vegetarians destroying the planet?

Also that first comment of yours is pretty absurd in the extent it simplifies the unbelievably complex issue of multigenerational heritability. It's not that simple, not by a wide margin.

(11-17-2017 04:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:00 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I checked the YouTube and didn't see them, but does he have a list of his sources he used? Endocrinology is an amazingly complex subject matter and I don't know if a YouTube video citing clear Twitter trolls is a source one should really accept on the matter.

Put down the soy latte and go lift.

I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

If we are speaking genetically, we are more "determined" by our grandparents than we are by the toxins we take in today.


Darn thing is, our grandchildren are impacted by what we do today.

To make it simple......

My wife has eggs. One of her eggs became a girl. My girl has eggs . They were both born with every egg they will ever have. My wife's mother has more influence on my child than my wife genetically. It's just fact?

(11-17-2017 04:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 04:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:04 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Put down the soy latte and go lift.

I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

If we are speaking genetically, we are more "determined" by our grandparents than we are by the toxins we take in today.


Darn thing is, our grandchildren are impacted by what we do today.

To make it simple......

My wife has eggs. One of her eggs became a girl. My girl has eggs . They were both born with every egg they will ever have. My wife's mother has more influence on my child than my wife genetically. It's just fact?

I'm not an expert in either endocrinology or genetics, but I do have an undergraduate education in each, and I think you're probably making some far reaching conclusions from a small amount of evidence. Epigenetics are not well understood, and while there is certainly evidence that the expression of genes can be altered by stress/environment/diet/illness/etc, unless a wave of new research has drastically changed things in the past few years, you're overshooting it's effects.

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I'm going to leave this here. What your children eat, will determine what grandchildren you will have. Food effects hormones and that is a peer reviewed proven fact. Just on pure instinct, animals procreate in order to pass on genetics. If you change the food, you change the instinct.
Don't let the veggies fool you.

Fully agree. It is precisely how Generation Soy came to be. Parents feeding their kids what is "good for them". No milk, red meat, or fat. Just veggies, tofu burgers, and soy milk.

My wife uses soy milk because of an allergy but all my kids so far have had nothing but full fat cow milk...

(11-17-2017 05:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 04:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 04:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

If we are speaking genetically, we are more "determined" by our grandparents than we are by the toxins we take in today.


Darn thing is, our grandchildren are impacted by what we do today.

To make it simple......

My wife has eggs. One of her eggs became a girl. My girl has eggs . They were both born with every egg they will ever have. My wife's mother has more influence on my child than my wife genetically. It's just fact?

I'm not an expert in either endocrinology or genetics, but I do have an undergraduate education in each, and I think you're probably making some far reaching conclusions from a small amount of evidence. Epigenetics are not well understood, and while there is certainly evidence that the expression of genes can be altered by stress/environment/diet/illness/etc, unless a wave of new research has drastically changed things in the past few years, you're overshooting it's effects.

I’m gonna say you are wrong on an evidentiary basis. Your mother was born with every egg she ever had. As was her mother.
There are species of animals born whose phenotype is determined by birthing mother experience. I will dig for citations, but I recall lizard tail length studies determined by mothers experience with snakes.

I’m gonna say it’s a thing.

(11-17-2017 05:12 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 03:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I'm going to leave this here. What your children eat, will determine what grandchildren you will have. Food effects hormones and that is a peer reviewed proven fact. Just on pure instinct, animals procreate in order to pass on genetics. If you change the food, you change the instinct.
Don't let the veggies fool you.

Fully agree. It is precisely how Generation Soy came to be. Parents feeding their kids what is "good for them". No milk, red meat, or fat. Just veggies, tofu burgers, and soy milk.

My wife uses soy milk because of an allergy but all my kids so far have had nothing but full fat cow milk...

Try goat milk.

(11-17-2017 05:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 04:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 04:02 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

If we are speaking genetically, we are more "determined" by our grandparents than we are by the toxins we take in today.


Darn thing is, our grandchildren are impacted by what we do today.

To make it simple......

My wife has eggs. One of her eggs became a girl. My girl has eggs . They were both born with every egg they will ever have. My wife's mother has more influence on my child than my wife genetically. It's just fact?

I'm not an expert in either endocrinology or genetics, but I do have an undergraduate education in each, and I think you're probably making some far reaching conclusions from a small amount of evidence. Epigenetics are not well understood, and while there is certainly evidence that the expression of genes can be altered by stress/environment/diet/illness/etc, unless a wave of new research has drastically changed things in the past few years, you're overshooting it's effects.

Genomics. It’s a thing.