(11-17-2017 09:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:19 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  This is what recruiting has come to?

He plays for something called "The Skill Factory"?

Apparently it's not even a prep school. It's a post-grad club team.

Good lord.

He's a 2*, if you can't get this kid than things are even worse than we thought. We've heard that this group is athletic and has size, haven't seen either.

WASN'T D.J. an 2 *

Enough with DJ. He had one special skill--he could jump out of the gym.

**Spoiler alert**
He also finished with a career average of 4.0 ppg and 3.4 rpg.

HE ALSO CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A FEW GAMES AND WAS A HELL OF A SHOT BLOCKER . ONE OF THE BETTER RIM PROTECTORS WE'VE HAD , SO 2*S ARE SOMETIMES KEY PLAYERS . THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MANY SHOTS HE ALTERED . BUT ENOUGH WITH THE POSITIVES .

(11-17-2017 10:28 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I don't ever care about "athletic."

Oddly, I like kids that can put a ball in the basket.

Oddly enough, I too enjoy players who can stick the ball in the basket. This kid is sticking the ball in the basket, thus the numbers he is putting up. Now, can he stick the ball in the basket on the D1 level? That’s all that matters.

He's playing for a club team vs. a bunch of crappy schools.

I don't understand why people look at a youtube video and somehow extrapolate that to both sides of the court performance at a high D1 level.

I feel safer looking at those who have taken the time to evaluate him and the schools that have decided to offer him are schools we should never be competing with--especially on the heels of how fall recruiting just went.

The more telling thing is this is where Memphis is right now. They literally have NO idea where to go. They missed out on every good player they wanted and are out of options for 2018.

So now they are running out and offering guys like this.

The same folks who "loved" the idea of getting Matt Stanley or Usman Haruna are now all-in on this guy for no other reason than he was offered by Memphis.

(11-17-2017 02:19 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  He's a 2*, if you can't get this kid than things are even worse than we thought. We've heard that this group is athletic and has size, haven't seen either.

Incompetence. I wish they'd just leave.

(11-17-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I don't ever care about "athletic."

Oddly, I like kids that can put a ball in the basket.

Oddly enough, I too enjoy players who can stick the ball in the basket. This kid is sticking the ball in the basket, thus the numbers he is putting up. Now, can he stick the ball in the basket on the D1 level? That’s all that matters.

He's playing for a club team vs. a bunch of crappy schools.

I don't understand why people look at a youtube video and somehow extrapolate that to both sides of the court performance at a high D1 level.

I feel safer looking at those who have taken the time to evaluate him and the schools that have decided to offer him are schools we should never be competing with--especially on the heels of how fall recruiting just went.

The more telling thing is this is where Memphis is right now. They literally have NO idea where to go. They missed out on every good player they wanted and are out of options for 2018.

So now they are running out and offering guys like this.

The same folks who "loved" the idea of getting Matt Stanley or Usman Haruna are now all-in on this guy for no other reason than he was offered by Memphis.

Most of your post is bull *hit. Nowhere did I say I am “all in” on this kid. Nowhere did I say he will be able to do what he is doing presently, at the D1 level. What I did say is...”the question is can he do it on the D1 level???”
I don’t understand why people automatically think I base everything about whether a kid can play or not on watching YouTube videos. I most certainly do not. In most situations, especially the players from out of town, YouTube videos, how much they average, where they are ranked, and who they have offers from, is all I have to go on. I prefer to watch a player in person several times.
My last several posts have been crystal clear as to how I feel about the recruiting by this staff. I see you didn’t bother commenting on those. I have stated it is pitiful that we have/had two good guards here in town and they couldn’t land either one (at least three this point, I guess there’s a chance we could still get Harris). I stated very clearly from the top down this staff has not been able to secure commitments from top level players. To which I am not happy about at all. I have numerous times said that I would criticize after seeing some results come in. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I believe I also said that Tubby’s time here will be short lived if the two things that are in bad shape stay the same....and those two things are his recruiting and attendance. I can go a step further, I don’t want Tubby here if the winning, recruiting, and attendance all suck. Obviously those three go hand in hand. If he started winning lots of games (against both the cupcakes and quality opponents), the recruiting and attendance would follow.

(11-17-2017 11:40 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I don't ever care about "athletic."

Oddly, I like kids that can put a ball in the basket.

Oddly enough, I too enjoy players who can stick the ball in the basket. This kid is sticking the ball in the basket, thus the numbers he is putting up. Now, can he stick the ball in the basket on the D1 level? That’s all that matters.

He's playing for a club team vs. a bunch of crappy schools.

I don't understand why people look at a youtube video and somehow extrapolate that to both sides of the court performance at a high D1 level.

I feel safer looking at those who have taken the time to evaluate him and the schools that have decided to offer him are schools we should never be competing with--especially on the heels of how fall recruiting just went.

The more telling thing is this is where Memphis is right now. They literally have NO idea where to go. They missed out on every good player they wanted and are out of options for 2018.

So now they are running out and offering guys like this.

The same folks who "loved" the idea of getting Matt Stanley or Usman Haruna are now all-in on this guy for no other reason than he was offered by Memphis.

Most of your post is bull *hit. Nowhere did I say I am “all in” on this kid. Nowhere did I say he will be able to do what he is doing presently, at the D1 level. What I did say is...”the question is can he do it on the D1 level???”
I don’t understand why people automatically think I base everything about whether a kid can play or not on watching YouTube videos. I most certainly do not. In most situations, especially the players from out of town, YouTube videos, how much they average, where they are ranked, and who they have offers from, is all I have to go on. I prefer to watch a player in person several times.
My last several posts have been crystal clear as to how I feel about the recruiting by this staff. I see you didn’t bother commenting on those. I have stated it is pitiful that we have/had two good guards here in town and they couldn’t land either one (at least three this point, I guess there’s a chance we could still get Harris). I stated very clearly from the top down this staff has not been able to secure commitments from top level players. To which I am not happy about at all. I have numerous times said that I would criticize after seeing some results come in. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I believe I also said that Tubby’s time here will be short lived if the two things that are in bad shape stay the same....and those two things are his recruiting and attendance. I can go a step further, I don’t want Tubby here if the winning, recruiting, and attendance all suck. Obviously those three go hand in hand. If he started winning lots of games (against both the cupcakes and quality opponents), the recruiting and attendance would follow.

1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

Way to support a recruit before even he has visited the campus. One of the best players that we have had in here was a 2* player called Damien Johnson. He was an amazing player to watch. This kid remind me of him but off course he is not Memphis good. All these national championships reputation is in jeopardy.

What would you guys say if you were a Ucon fan? They have done so many National Championships and nothing lately but they keep supporting the program. They must not be Memphis good either.

Go Tigers

(11-17-2017 12:00 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  Way to support a recruit before even he has visited the campus. One of the best players that we have had in here was a 2* player called Damien Johnson. He was an amazing player to watch. This kid remind me of him but off course he is not Memphis good. All these national championships reputation is in jeopardy.

What would you guys say if you were a Ucon fan? They have done so many National Championships and nothing lately but they keep supporting the program. They must not be Memphis good either.

Go Tigers

Dude, you can't even spell DamiAn Johnson's name right.

Get outta here.

And Johnson was a career 7 and 4 guy who shot 28% from three.

(11-17-2017 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:40 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I don't ever care about "athletic."

Oddly, I like kids that can put a ball in the basket.

Oddly enough, I too enjoy players who can stick the ball in the basket. This kid is sticking the ball in the basket, thus the numbers he is putting up. Now, can he stick the ball in the basket on the D1 level? That’s all that matters.

He's playing for a club team vs. a bunch of crappy schools.

I don't understand why people look at a youtube video and somehow extrapolate that to both sides of the court performance at a high D1 level.

I feel safer looking at those who have taken the time to evaluate him and the schools that have decided to offer him are schools we should never be competing with--especially on the heels of how fall recruiting just went.

The more telling thing is this is where Memphis is right now. They literally have NO idea where to go. They missed out on every good player they wanted and are out of options for 2018.

So now they are running out and offering guys like this.

The same folks who "loved" the idea of getting Matt Stanley or Usman Haruna are now all-in on this guy for no other reason than he was offered by Memphis.

Most of your post is bull *hit. Nowhere did I say I am “all in” on this kid. Nowhere did I say he will be able to do what he is doing presently, at the D1 level. What I did say is...”the question is can he do it on the D1 level???”
I don’t understand why people automatically think I base everything about whether a kid can play or not on watching YouTube videos. I most certainly do not. In most situations, especially the players from out of town, YouTube videos, how much they average, where they are ranked, and who they have offers from, is all I have to go on. I prefer to watch a player in person several times.
My last several posts have been crystal clear as to how I feel about the recruiting by this staff. I see you didn’t bother commenting on those. I have stated it is pitiful that we have/had two good guards here in town and they couldn’t land either one (at least three this point, I guess there’s a chance we could still get Harris). I stated very clearly from the top down this staff has not been able to secure commitments from top level players. To which I am not happy about at all. I have numerous times said that I would criticize after seeing some results come in. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I believe I also said that Tubby’s time here will be short lived if the two things that are in bad shape stay the same....and those two things are his recruiting and attendance. I can go a step further, I don’t want Tubby here if the winning, recruiting, and attendance all suck. Obviously those three go hand in hand. If he started winning lots of games (against both the cupcakes and quality opponents), the recruiting and attendance would follow.

1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  The Tubby era will be short lived if he doesn’t bring in some guys that can play. It makes no sense whatsoever to have two good guards in your backyard and can’t get one to commit and sign.

Oh no, you got sucked in too?????

In a way I admire the handful of posters, Joe, 450, 87, 1987, Atlanta, not including idiot trolls like yourself, who are so optimistic and so patient, even though I don't agree with them. I also don't think that there is anything wrong with them having that attitude; again I find it admirable. What I don't think is fair is being labelled by some of them when my opposing opinion and the opinions of others are rational, logical and have their own value.

There are some that just see everything as bad and some that see everything as good. I don't belong to either group. I am able to see Tubby's recruiting and the overall job he has done as bad, but I still have hope that this year's team can surprise us. If they don't I will love them the same way I loved Tommy's last team, Porter's teams and Tic and Johnny Jones' teams.

You can be critical and still be a great fan.

Even some of the Tubby enthusiasts are waking up. The TubbyTrolls aren't worth feeding. lol

(11-17-2017 12:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  The Tubby era will be short lived if he doesn’t bring in some guys that can play. It makes no sense whatsoever to have two good guards in your backyard and can’t get one to commit and sign.

Oh no, you got sucked in too?????

In a way I admire the handful of posters, Joe, 450, 87, 1987, Atlanta, not including idiot trolls like yourself, who are so optimistic and so patient, even though I don't agree with them. I also don't think that there is anything wrong with them having that attitude; again I find it admirable. What I don't think is fair is being labelled by some of them when my opposing opinion and the opinions of others are rational, logical and have their own value.

There are some that just see everything as bad and some that see everything as good. I don't belong to either group. I am able to see Tubby's recruiting and the overall job he has done as bad, but I still have hope that this year's team can surprise us. If they don't I will love them the same way I loved Tommy's last team, Porter's teams and Tic and Johnny Jones' teams.

You can be critical and still be a great fan.

Good post. You make good points.

(11-17-2017 10:53 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:19 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  This is what recruiting has come to?

He plays for something called "The Skill Factory"?

Apparently it's not even a prep school. It's a post-grad club team.

Good lord.

He's a 2*, if you can't get this kid than things are even worse than we thought. We've heard that this group is athletic and has size, haven't seen either.

WASN'T D.J. an 2 *

Enough with DJ. He had one special skill--he could jump out of the gym.

**Spoiler alert**
He also finished with a career average of 4.0 ppg and 3.4 rpg.

HE ALSO CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A FEW GAMES AND WAS A HELL OF A SHOT BLOCKER . ONE OF THE BETTER RIM PROTECTORS WE'VE HAD , SO 2*S ARE SOMETIMES KEY PLAYERS . THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MANY SHOTS HE ALTERED . BUT ENOUGH WITH THE POSITIVES .

DJ is pure Tubby. Unheralded and limited, but by the end of his career greatly improved and a very needed part of an NCAA caliber team. Tubby is able to take players like DJ and when things fall just right, has the right combination of experience, versatility hard work and teamwork to make the tournament.

The issue is that if you get to the tournament you get to play teams that also have these attributes, but also have more talent. That is why Tubby has only 1 NCAA win in the last 10 years.

(11-17-2017 12:45 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Even some of the Tubby enthusiasts are waking up. The TubbyTrolls aren't worth feeding. lol

Yep

Based on his videos, and more than 1 exists. He is a 3*. Not bad but would probably struggle to find minutes.

(11-17-2017 02:02 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:53 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:19 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  He's a 2*, if you can't get this kid than things are even worse than we thought. We've heard that this group is athletic and has size, haven't seen either.

WASN'T D.J. an 2 *

Enough with DJ. He had one special skill--he could jump out of the gym.

**Spoiler alert**
He also finished with a career average of 4.0 ppg and 3.4 rpg.

HE ALSO CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A FEW GAMES AND WAS A HELL OF A SHOT BLOCKER . ONE OF THE BETTER RIM PROTECTORS WE'VE HAD , SO 2*S ARE SOMETIMES KEY PLAYERS . THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MANY SHOTS HE ALTERED . BUT ENOUGH WITH THE POSITIVES .

DJ is pure Tubby. Unheralded and limited, but by the end of his career greatly improved and a very needed part of an NCAA caliber team. Tubby is able to take players like DJ and when things fall just right, has the right combination of experience, versatility hard work and teamwork to make the tournament.

The issue is that if you get to the tournament you get to play teams that also have these attributes, but also have more talent. That is why Tubby has only 1 NCAA win in the last 10 years.

Stam, thank you for the name-calling. Stop with all of this meaningless stat. If it wasn't because of all those suspensions, injuries, and transfers, Tubby would have been our coach to this date. Your stats never cover that. I am in science. I hate the publications that come out focusing on stats only. There are so many variables to this.
I lived in TN for many years going to school at Belmont, MTSU, and working at Vanderbilt. I love people in TN. I still call it home. There are some here who are trying to destroy Tubby. They keep talking about $3 mil a year. Has any of them mentioned how much Tubby and his wife do for the society. The man is a saint. Does he everything right. No, but who does. He came here to clean up the program. That's what he does the best. He cannot recruit if these people keep this up. Recruits and their families are worried about the future of this program. They are also worried about this hostility.

(11-17-2017 03:09 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:02 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:53 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  WASN'T D.J. an 2 *

Enough with DJ. He had one special skill--he could jump out of the gym.

**Spoiler alert**
He also finished with a career average of 4.0 ppg and 3.4 rpg.

HE ALSO CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A FEW GAMES AND WAS A HELL OF A SHOT BLOCKER . ONE OF THE BETTER RIM PROTECTORS WE'VE HAD , SO 2*S ARE SOMETIMES KEY PLAYERS . THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MANY SHOTS HE ALTERED . BUT ENOUGH WITH THE POSITIVES .

DJ is pure Tubby. Unheralded and limited, but by the end of his career greatly improved and a very needed part of an NCAA caliber team. Tubby is able to take players like DJ and when things fall just right, has the right combination of experience, versatility hard work and teamwork to make the tournament.

The issue is that if you get to the tournament you get to play teams that also have these attributes, but also have more talent. That is why Tubby has only 1 NCAA win in the last 10 years.

Stam, thank you for the name-calling. Stop with all of this meaningless stat. If it wasn't because of all those suspensions, injuries, and transfers, Tubby would have been our coach to this date. Your stats never cover that. I am in science. I hate the publications that come out focusing on stats only. There are so many variables to this.
I lived in TN for many years going to school at Belmont, MTSU, and working at Vanderbilt. I love people in TN. I still call it home. There are some here who are trying to destroy Tubby. They keep talking about $3 mil a year. Has any of them mentioned how much Tubby and his wife do for the society. The man is a saint. Does he everything right. No, but who does. He came here to clean up the program. That's what he does the best. He cannot recruit if these people keep this up. Recruits and their families are worried about the future of this program. They are also worried about this hostility.

Can you provide more detail of "clean up the program"?

(11-17-2017 10:53 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:19 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 10:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  This is what recruiting has come to?

He plays for something called "The Skill Factory"?

Apparently it's not even a prep school. It's a post-grad club team.

Good lord.

He's a 2*, if you can't get this kid than things are even worse than we thought. We've heard that this group is athletic and has size, haven't seen either.

WASN'T D.J. an 2 *

Enough with DJ. He had one special skill--he could jump out of the gym.

**Spoiler alert**
He also finished with a career average of 4.0 ppg and 3.4 rpg.

HE ALSO CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF A FEW GAMES AND WAS A HELL OF A SHOT BLOCKER . ONE OF THE BETTER RIM PROTECTORS WE'VE HAD , SO 2*S ARE SOMETIMES KEY PLAYERS . THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MANY SHOTS HE ALTERED . BUT ENOUGH WITH THE POSITIVES .

LOL, yes, he actually made all defensive team in B1G. So much fun to watch.

Uh oh. Just saw on twitter that Stetson offered him today.

Gonna be a dogfight.

(11-17-2017 12:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:00 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  Way to support a recruit before even he has visited the campus. One of the best players that we have had in here was a 2* player called Damien Johnson. He was an amazing player to watch. This kid remind me of him but off course he is not Memphis good. All these national championships reputation is in jeopardy.

What would you guys say if you were a Ucon fan? They have done so many National Championships and nothing lately but they keep supporting the program. They must not be Memphis good either.

Go Tigers

Dude, you can't even spell DamiAn Johnson's name right.

Get outta here.

And Johnson was a career 7 and 4 guy who shot 28% from three.

Great Google search Mr. hotshot. DJ is actually a celebrity here at MN just because of all that 7 and 4 that you mentioned. As always, never do your homework, do you.

I am actually going to stop posting here. This board is dominated by people like you. I will cheer for the tigers as well as, Gophers, Belmont, Vanderbilt, MTSU, Purdue.

(11-17-2017 03:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Uh oh. Just saw on twitter that Stetson offered him today.

Gonna be a dogfight.

Lol