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https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-new-col...13481.html

Higher than I expected but still nice to see.

(11-08-2017 05:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-new-col...13481.html

Higher than I expected but still nice to see.

Slowly climbing back up. I'm satisfied with 12th for the time being but would love to see CUSA get in the 10th or 11th spot eventually.

Surprised to see the SEC so high

SEC finally is paying attention. Even cheating ...see Auburn, Bama, and possibly Mizzou; anonth others.

Some good recruiters in that conference.

(11-08-2017 04:32 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  For those who think Jones has done enough to deserve to keep his job, he can't even crack the top 4 in the state and I see zero evidence we will this year or next year either.

When we were ranked #25 in the polls, do you think we cracked the Top 4 in the state? For someone who likes to constantly live in the past it's interesting you can't remember 3 years ago. I don't even care about the stupid ranking, it's you bringing it up from one misinformed writer.

(11-08-2017 07:29 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 04:32 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  For those who think Jones has done enough to deserve to keep his job, he can't even crack the top 4 in the state and I see zero evidence we will this year or next year either.

When we were ranked #25 in the polls, do you think we cracked the Top 4 in the state? For someone who likes to constantly live in the past it's interesting you can't remember 3 years ago. I don't even care about the stupid ranking, it's you bringing it up from one misinformed writer.

Yes that season we were definitely in the top 4, but we still failed to make the tourney.

We have not been consistently in the top 4 and are once again not in the top 4 this year and that is a problem whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

(11-08-2017 04:53 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 04:32 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Didn't we lose to W&M last year?

Liberty is better than W&M, some of you guys are absolute space cadets.

At absolute best we are 5th in the state but a solid case for 7th could be made.

But I'm sure Giles will have a "convincing" argument for why we are number 1 lol.

Sad part is, most of us remember when we were number 1 under Blaine and it wasn't THAT long ago.

For those who think Jones has done enough to deserve to keep his job, he can't even crack the top 4 in the state and I see zero evidence we will this year or next year either.

But yeah, odu fans definitely know more than everyone, it's why our entire athletic department is NOT in shambles lol.

Liberty lost to W&M last year, W&M is def better than Liberty. Please, make a valid argument as to how Liberty is better than ODU or W&M. Liberty beat absolutely no one last year. Once again, no research!

Lol and who exactly did we beat?

And I was saying liberty is better this year.......hopefully we will be better than both those schools this year but many people have their doubts and for good reason. Our front court is "highly questionable".

I know odu wins the offseason every year and Sam Harris and Anton Larsen were going to be all CAA based off of what the same 5 fans saw in practice and a scrimmage but again, we have no depth and our talent level is questionable. Racking up wins in the worthless cusa really sugar coated last year for many of you, we were awful OOC with one decent win at Richmond (who wasn't even a top 100 team if I remember correctly).

All of a sudden we are going to be playing a "new style" of ball (heard that before) and we drubbed Christopher Newport and won a scrimmage and now everyone thinks Jones is great. We've lost in the quarterfinals in 3 out of his 4 seasons as our coach but hey, one good recruiting year (also still remains to be seen) and everything is forgiven.

Some of you just cannot see the bigger picture (or more accurately REFUSE to see it) and it's why we've become an "also ran".

Any of you jones lovers want to bet we don't make the NCAA tourney? Put your money where your mouth is if you are so confident in how much better this team is. My guess is every single one of you is too gutless to do so.

(11-08-2017 05:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-new-col...13481.html

Higher than I expected but still nice to see.

Easily the dumbest article I've read all year.

Using one teams success in the tourney as a measurement for how good the conference is???

That would be like saying the horizon is top 5 because butler made the championship two years in a row lol.

I believe we weren't even a top 20 conference this year. This guy is hilariously misinformed so of course his opinion would be valuable to this forum lol.

(11-08-2017 08:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 07:29 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 04:32 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  For those who think Jones has done enough to deserve to keep his job, he can't even crack the top 4 in the state and I see zero evidence we will this year or next year either.

When we were ranked #25 in the polls, do you think we cracked the Top 4 in the state? For someone who likes to constantly live in the past it's interesting you can't remember 3 years ago. I don't even care about the stupid ranking, it's you bringing it up from one misinformed writer.

Yes that season we were definitely in the top 4, but we still failed to make the tourney.

We have not been consistently in the top 4 and are once again not in the top 4 this year and that is a problem whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

So you argue one thing, lose the point and then point back to the same rhetoric as before. I get it.

And it's a bit early to suggest we aren't top 4 this year, besides an article written by nobody. We play VCU. If we beat them, are we top 4? Edit - I suppose it doesn't even matter whether we do or not. The only thing that matters is winning the last 4 (or 5) games of the season in Dallas, right? No at large possible in this conference. So those last 4-5 games is where you will put your measuring stick on the year.

Razor acting all bad taking the field against ODU!!! Real ballsy pick!

I wouldn't take anyone in CUSA against the field.

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Pre-season polls mean jack squat. To pretend that poll actually means we are not in the top 4 this season is disingenuous. We shall see.

(11-08-2017 08:59 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 08:03 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 07:29 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 04:32 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  For those who think Jones has done enough to deserve to keep his job, he can't even crack the top 4 in the state and I see zero evidence we will this year or next year either.

When we were ranked #25 in the polls, do you think we cracked the Top 4 in the state? For someone who likes to constantly live in the past it's interesting you can't remember 3 years ago. I don't even care about the stupid ranking, it's you bringing it up from one misinformed writer.

Yes that season we were definitely in the top 4, but we still failed to make the tourney.

We have not been consistently in the top 4 and are once again not in the top 4 this year and that is a problem whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

So you argue one thing, lose the point and then point back to the same rhetoric as before. I get it.

And it's a bit early to suggest we aren't top 4 this year, besides an article written by nobody. We play VCU. If we beat them, are we top 4? Edit - I suppose it doesn't even matter whether we do or not. The only thing that matters is winning the last 4 (or 5) games of the season in Dallas, right? No at large possible in this conference. So those last 4-5 games is where you will put your measuring stick on the year.

My measuring stick is the same as it's always been.

No NCAA tourney appearances.

The only ones changing their "measuring sticks" are the ones acting like our two decent recruiting classes are enough justification for jones to keep his job. The same people who don't think crashing out of the cusa tourney in the quarters in 3 of 4 years is a big deal.

The top 4 in Virginia article is semantics, those are the only things odu fans should care about. The wait until next year arguments are equally pathetic.

(11-08-2017 09:00 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Razor acting all bad taking the field against ODU!!! Real ballsy pick!

I wouldn't take anyone in CUSA against the field.

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Are we an NCAA tourney team or not? I'm not sure you understand the statement that was made but that's hardly surprising.

If the measuring stick of a successful season is going to the NCAA tourney, does that mean the 30 seasons (since going Div. 1) where we didn't qualify should be considered an unmitigated disaster?

(11-08-2017 11:10 PM)PhillyFlorz Wrote:  If the measuring stick of a successful season is going to the NCAA tourney, does that mean the 30 seasons (since going Div. 1) where we didn't qualify should be considered an unmitigated disaster?

Of course not. 1 every 5 years should be (and currently IS) the standard.

Which means Jones has this year to show this fanbase that he deserves to keep the job he really didn't deserve in the first place.

(11-08-2017 10:07 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  That prediction would mean a lot more if the writer knew McClinton was injured.

Or if Xavier Green was acknowledged

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(11-08-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:15 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I am not sure why some of you are so surprised. This is the perception of our program on a national level. While it may not be accurate, it is still important to have a realistic look at how the basketball world perceives us. I would argue that some people on this board have a far more distorted perception of the current state of ODU basketball that these writers.

No one percieves this program to be 190th in the country. Find me some support that nationally, people think we are bottom half of CUSA.

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(11-08-2017 02:08 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 12:11 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 11:15 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 09:15 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I am not sure why some of you are so surprised. This is the perception of our program on a national level. While it may not be accurate, it is still important to have a realistic look at how the basketball world perceives us. I would argue that some people on this board have a far more distorted perception of the current state of ODU basketball that these writers.

How is this the national view of ODU basketball? We beat Richmond last year, should have beat VCU. George Mason hadn't won more than 11 games in the past 4 years before last year. Liberty won 21 games in the Big South and 3 of their wins were against DIII schools. It took me five min to look that up. This writer did no research, its is not the current state of ODU basketball because every ranking that I have seen up to this point has ODU better than every school in VA except VT, UVA and are right behind VCU in most rankings. You have no idea what you are talking about and neither does this writer.

Yeah it's BS. Hell, I'd hope we'd be perceived to be better than Liberty even if it weren't tru.

That is my entire point. Of course we are likely better than Liberty. The problem is that national media lumps us in with Big South schools rather than A10 schools. It just is what it is, but those of you who deny it are just unwilling to take an objective look at what our current profile looks like to people across the country.

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I wonder if Liberty's ranking is informed by how they beat the brakes off VCU in the hurricane charity game. Not that exhibitions mean squat but Liberty was bringing a lot back from a decent team, so perhaps that's what drove him. I don't think Liberty is better than ODU either, just offering a possible explaination.

Maybe he can be persuaded to change his rankings. Given that he called them VPI, I suspect three bags of Werther's and the complete Murder She Wrote on VHS should do it.

Liberty might be better, who knows? The only evidence they aren't better is the name on the uniform.

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(11-08-2017 05:11 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/ranking-new-col...13481.html

Higher than I expected but still nice to see.

Slowly climbing back up. I'm satisfied with 12th for the time being but would love to see CUSA get in the 10th or 11th spot eventually.

We aren't even mentioned in the write up.

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(11-08-2017 09:51 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  Pre-season polls mean jack squat. To pretend that poll actually means we are not in the top 4 this season is disingenuous. We shall see.

XACLY. Means nothing except a poor perception that we have earned. Winning will improve that.

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