(11-01-2017 05:35 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Do any of you want to be judged by the actions of that kid who drove through those protestors in Charlottesville? Hell you have a thread on it in here with 3 pages of replies. What’s the difference?
Do you have the source for the data they used in this cartoon?
(10-31-2017 07:25 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: Kronke you are a liar. He said ‘some of the time you can hear Alluha Akhbar under beautiful circumstances but here it was a tragedy
Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
You heard it here first folks, FBO lays this attack at the feet of President Obama.
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
You heard it here first folks, FBO lays this attack at the feet of President Obama.
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
You heard it here first folks, FBO lays this attack at the feet of President Obama.
Sure, that seems like a fair assessment.
No more fair than you trying to pin this attack on President Trump by trotting out code-words like "extreme vetting" and the like.
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
Because without probable cause it would be harassment. It would essentially be stopping every car that leaves TGI Fridays for suspected drunk driving because they serve alcohol writ large.
Not to mention the fact that neither DHS nor the FBI have the manpower to do preliminary investigations, much less follow-up investigations.
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
Because without probable cause it would be harassment. It would essentially be stopping every car that leaves TGI Fridays for suspected drunk driving because they serve alcohol writ large.
Not to mention the fact that neither DHS nor the FBI have the manpower to do preliminary investigations, much less follow-up investigations.
Except the FBI did investigate him 2 years ago just like they investigated the Boston Marathon bomber.
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
Because without probable cause it would be harassment. It would essentially be stopping every car that leaves TGI Fridays for suspected drunk driving because they serve alcohol writ large.
Not to mention the fact that neither DHS nor the FBI have the manpower to do preliminary investigations, much less follow-up investigations.
Except the FBI did investigate him 2 years ago just like they investigated the Boston Marathon bomber.
(11-01-2017 03:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote: Because suspects have due process?
Couldn't they have gotten around due process by creating a fake dossier on him or something?
No, due process doesn't protect you from private claims. If anyone on Trumps team thinks the dossier is explicitly fake though, I assume they have the right to sue for slander or libel, yes? Why haven't they?
(11-01-2017 03:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote: Because suspects have due process?
Couldn't they have gotten around due process by creating a fake dossier on him or something?
No, due process doesn't protect you from private claims. If anyone on Trumps team thinks the dossier is explicitly fake though, I assume they have the right to sue for slander or libel, yes? Why haven't they?
(11-01-2017 03:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote: Because suspects have due process?
Couldn't they have gotten around due process by creating a fake dossier on him or something?
No, due process doesn't protect you from private claims. If anyone on Trumps team thinks the dossier is explicitly fake though, I assume they have the right to sue for slander or libel, yes? Why haven't they?
Huh, what does this have to do with Trump?
Maybe it's because I haven't seen the term 'fake dossier' ever used without referring to the infamous dossier on Trump?
(11-01-2017 02:38 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: Every time there is an incident (and there are way too many attacks), there is always the ridiculous back-and-forth bickering here about words and labels. But there is never any indignation about failures of our government to protect Americans (at least there hasn't been anything like that after yesterday's attack).
This guy was on the radar of the Homeland Security office back in 2015, but was released after questioning because of a lack of evidence. Why doesn't DHS follow-up on guys like this periodically to check on their activities? Why isn't a master database created of potential terrorists and they raise an immediate red flag if something suspicious happens like they rent a Home Depot truck or a u-Haul?
To me, this is infinitely more important than arguing about semantics.
Because without probable cause it would be harassment. It would essentially be stopping every car that leaves TGI Fridays for suspected drunk driving because they serve alcohol writ large.
Not to mention the fact that neither DHS nor the FBI have the manpower to do preliminary investigations, much less follow-up investigations.
DHS has 229,000 employees and a 40 billion yearly budget (and Trump wants to increase their budget by 9 percent). I can understand why the FBI might be too busy but at the very least they can't send red flagged lists to Home Depot and uHaul?
(11-01-2017 05:35 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Do any of you want to be judged by the actions of that kid who drove through those protestors in Charlottesville? Hell you have a thread on it in here with 3 pages of replies. What’s the difference?
DAMN!
I missed.
thought it might have been the the electoral count from 11/9...
(11-01-2017 05:35 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Do any of you want to be judged by the actions of that kid who drove through those protestors in Charlottesville? Hell you have a thread on it in here with 3 pages of replies. What’s the difference?
Which of course no one, much of anywhere, is doing. Who’s judging “everyone” based on this coward?
Difference is, these aren’t one-off attacks any longer. It’s now up to how many of these rent a truck/buy a truck/ steal a truck drive at high speed through crowded streets of civilians? A dozen or so? All over the globe? It’s an intentional effort to move the battles from the hellholes they have created into the streets of the civilized world.
It’s barbaric to say the least and is fully encouraged/endorsed by the shitfers in ISIS. It’s what terrorists want to do-sow terror.
Not so much worried about what the other Uzbeki sympathizers may have in their feels, my thoughts are with the deceased, injured, terrorized and their families.
Rather odd you’re more concerned about whether we call a f#^*£tard spade a spade...
Does it matter that using that sort of discrimination is not shown to be an effective deterrent, and in fact disproportionate reactions cause more terrorists in the long run? Or do your fee-fees matter more than that?
Just stop, no one takes this feigned hyperbole for real, you guys put the guy in power who declared a War on Opiods and apportioned less than $60,000 to do that. Almost passed a healthcare bill that literally every medical and hospital association in the united states said would harm millions of poeple. American lives are clearly not your first concern. Screaming "ITS THE MUSLUMS!" does fuckall to prevent terrorism, it just makes you feel better. That's whats going on here.
And again, no one is screaming “It’s the Muslims”.
But it’s clearly a rather specific % of those that purport to do this crap in the name of Islam.
To this fake idea that using “discrimination” (uhhh, well yea. I’d like to discriminate against murderous cowards, am I a bad person now? ) is going to make some jihadi sooooo much more really, really angrier at the West that he might go rent a truck and drive it down a tree lined street filled with kids and bicycles is pure leftist zerO era pablum.
You can’t point to one f#%*ing thing, from Gitmo to blowing their stupid asses up with daisy cutters that’s gonna make them hate us any more.
Or, put another way-how about we just invite them ALL IN, provide them state sponsored benefits, housing, clothing, all the free porn they can stand, whatever else...?
That should put an end to this, right? Isn’t that what’s worked so well in Europe?
Dumb “logic” is dumb
You're just radicalizing more people by doing this, it provides no extra security, and you're doing it because it makes you feel better. You have to know this, nothing you've said even pretends otherwise.
I'm radicalizing more by doing this. lol
Clowncar, care to address the 99% of the post?
Is your submission going to change any of their minds?
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