(11-01-2017 03:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 02:04 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, do people here genuinely believe the kneeling thing is what is hurting the NFL?

It isn't. It's the media coverage of it that is. 5 years ago a player could kneel and nobody would ever know. They never showed the anthem until the playoffs. What the media did now is manufacture two outrages. One by the side that pretends they can't imagine how someone could protest during the anthem and one on the side that pretends they can't imagine how someone could be turned off at protesting during the anthem. The middle, who may say "I understand the protest, but that's not the best time" or "I don't like the protest, but it's not that big of a deal", is made to look like they don't exist.

What's hurting the NFL in this situation is the fact that you have two groups, that live to antagonize each other, overreacting to anything and everything.

what he said

I don't like this false equivalency between the 'two groups', because this entire issue coming to the forefront is on Trump. He criticized it out of nowhere, years after it had started, and went after the players and the league itself. This is Trumps mess.

(11-01-2017 04:12 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 02:04 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, do people here genuinely believe the kneeling thing is what is hurting the NFL?

It isn't. It's the media coverage of it that is. 5 years ago a player could kneel and nobody would ever know. They never showed the anthem until the playoffs. What the media did now is manufacture two outrages. One by the side that pretends they can't imagine how someone could protest during the anthem and one on the side that pretends they can't imagine how someone could be turned off at protesting during the anthem. The middle, who may say "I understand the protest, but that's not the best time" or "I don't like the protest, but it's not that big of a deal", is made to look like they don't exist.

What's hurting the NFL in this situation is the fact that you have two groups, that live to antagonize each other, overreacting to anything and everything.

what he said

I don't like this false equivalency between the 'two groups', because this entire issue coming to the forefront is on Trump. He criticized it out of nowhere, years after it had started, and went after the players and the league itself. This is Trumps mess.

It wasn't years after it started, it was somewhere around 13 months. It was already at the forefront. There were games where they couldn't find anyone doing it during the first week, but they were still looking.

Now, Trump did create the resurgence of the protests by muddying the waters of who is protesting what. As a media man himself, he created protests against him and grouped them in with the original.

Like the rest of the media, he's aware of the volatility of the 'two sides' and struck before the iron cooled too much.

Even though Trump had a big hand in what we see today, it's still the fault of the 'two sides' for being so easily manipulated.

So we are back to it being an Anti Trump thing and not "oppression". Keep us updated.

Quote: It wasn't years after it started, it was somewhere around 13 months. It was already at the forefront. There were games where they couldn't find anyone doing it during the first week, but they were still looking.

I could have sworn he started it two seasons ago but earliest I could find was August of 2016, so I apologize for that. I would agree that it was at the forefront at certain times, but it certainly hadn't made headlines anytime since Trumps inauguration best I can recall.

Quote: Now, Trump did create the resurgence of the protests by muddying the waters of who is protesting what. As a media man himself, he created protests against him and grouped them in with the original.

I guess that's one of my biggest issues with Trump, he's still acting like he's a media man, a talking head or pundit, and not acting like the President. His job isn't to encourage people to boycott the NFL because people are protesting, even if it does track with his base.

Quote: Even though Trump had a big hand in what we see today, it's still the fault of the 'two sides' for being so easily manipulated.

I'll gladly accept that the media in general, and that of course includes the news, focuses on ratings first and therefore leads with controversial issues that probably aren't as important as other issues they could be reporting on. That being said, it's hard to argue that the POTUS directly attacking people for non-violently and respectfully protesting the national anthem shouldn't make the news. What I mean is, it's hard for me to blame the media or those on each side for getting worked up over what the highest elected official in the country said.

(11-01-2017 04:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So we are back to it being an Anti Trump thing and not "oppression". Keep us updated.

You really think that's a fair statement given the way Trump inserted himself into this whole issue? Come on, you don't have carry that much water for the guy.

(11-01-2017 04:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So we are back to it being an Anti Trump thing and not "oppression". Keep us updated.

Because when it was only about "oppression"--or at least thought to be--only a few players did it. When it was only about "oppression", there were players who agreed that the issue was important, but you could be a moderate and not like the fact that it was done during the national anthem. There were whole teams that never did it.

When Trump got into it whole teams and owners were doing it, usually before the anthem, or not even coming out during the anthem.

(11-01-2017 04:12 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 03:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 02:04 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Wait, do people here genuinely believe the kneeling thing is what is hurting the NFL?

It isn't. It's the media coverage of it that is. 5 years ago a player could kneel and nobody would ever know. They never showed the anthem until the playoffs. What the media did now is manufacture two outrages. One by the side that pretends they can't imagine how someone could protest during the anthem and one on the side that pretends they can't imagine how someone could be turned off at protesting during the anthem. The middle, who may say "I understand the protest, but that's not the best time" or "I don't like the protest, but it's not that big of a deal", is made to look like they don't exist.

What's hurting the NFL in this situation is the fact that you have two groups, that live to antagonize each other, overreacting to anything and everything.

what he said

I don't like this false equivalency between the 'two groups', because this entire issue coming to the forefront is on Trump. He criticized it out of nowhere, years after it had started, and went after the players and the league itself. This is Trumps mess.

Trump is POTUS and the NFL is failing. Doesn't sound like Trump's mess.

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(11-01-2017 04:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: It wasn't years after it started, it was somewhere around 13 months. It was already at the forefront. There were games where they couldn't find anyone doing it during the first week, but they were still looking.

I could have sworn he started it two seasons ago but earliest I could find was August of 2016, so I apologize for that. I would agree that it was at the forefront at certain times, but it certainly hadn't made headlines anytime since Trumps inauguration best I can recall.

Quote: Now, Trump did create the resurgence of the protests by muddying the waters of who is protesting what. As a media man himself, he created protests against him and grouped them in with the original.

I guess that's one of my biggest issues with Trump, he's still acting like he's a media man, a talking head or pundit, and not acting like the President. His job isn't to encourage people to boycott the NFL because people are protesting, even if it does track with his base.

Quote: Even though Trump had a big hand in what we see today, it's still the fault of the 'two sides' for being so easily manipulated.

I'll gladly accept that the media in general, and that of course includes the news, focuses on ratings first and therefore leads with controversial issues that probably aren't as important as other issues they could be reporting on. That being said, it's hard to argue that the POTUS directly attacking people for non-violently and respectfully protesting the national anthem shouldn't make the news. What I mean is, it's hard for me to blame the media or those on each side for getting worked up over what the highest elected official in the country said.

If the sides weren't so easily manipulated, he would've never said it. If the sides weren't so easily manipulated we would've never known that kneeling during the anthem was a thing.

So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

(11-01-2017 04:52 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:32 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: It wasn't years after it started, it was somewhere around 13 months. It was already at the forefront. There were games where they couldn't find anyone doing it during the first week, but they were still looking.

I could have sworn he started it two seasons ago but earliest I could find was August of 2016, so I apologize for that. I would agree that it was at the forefront at certain times, but it certainly hadn't made headlines anytime since Trumps inauguration best I can recall.

Quote: Now, Trump did create the resurgence of the protests by muddying the waters of who is protesting what. As a media man himself, he created protests against him and grouped them in with the original.

I guess that's one of my biggest issues with Trump, he's still acting like he's a media man, a talking head or pundit, and not acting like the President. His job isn't to encourage people to boycott the NFL because people are protesting, even if it does track with his base.

Quote: Even though Trump had a big hand in what we see today, it's still the fault of the 'two sides' for being so easily manipulated.

I'll gladly accept that the media in general, and that of course includes the news, focuses on ratings first and therefore leads with controversial issues that probably aren't as important as other issues they could be reporting on. That being said, it's hard to argue that the POTUS directly attacking people for non-violently and respectfully protesting the national anthem shouldn't make the news. What I mean is, it's hard for me to blame the media or those on each side for getting worked up over what the highest elected official in the country said.

If the sides weren't so easily manipulated, he would've never said it. If the sides weren't so easily manipulated we would've never known that kneeling during the anthem was a thing.

I guess my question is this, do you honestly think the news shouldn't cover the POTUS encouraging financial repercussions for American citizens expressing their first amendment rights? You have every right in the world to criticize their coverage of him leading up to and during the election, but now that he's President, shouldn't our news/populace pay attention to the things he says?

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

What false narrative?

(11-01-2017 04:34 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:30 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  So we are back to it being an Anti Trump thing and not "oppression". Keep us updated.

You really think that's a fair statement given the way Trump inserted himself into this whole issue? Come on, you don't have carry that much water for the guy.

You were not posting here on the threads I am referring to. How am I carrying water. I asked a question. If you know why players are protesting a kneeling let me know. I have been told oppression, then it was Trump, is it McNair the owner of the Texans. I honestly do not know.

(11-01-2017 04:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

What false narrative?

That there is systematic racism in law enforcement. The data simply does not back this claim up.

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

Well the tooth fairy didn't call people SOBs. Who else is to blame for the words that came out of Trump's mouth?

(11-01-2017 05:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

Well the tooth fairy didn't call people SOBs. Who else is to blame for the words that came out of Trump's mouth?

No protests,

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(11-01-2017 04:57 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I guess my question is this, do you honestly think the news shouldn't cover the POTUS encouraging financial repercussions for American citizens expressing their first amendment rights? You have every right in the world to criticize their coverage of him leading up to and during the election, but now that he's President, shouldn't our news/populace pay attention to the things he says?

The news should definitely cover it. I think Trump was way out of line myself. We should pay attention to what he says.

But everything that influenced his comments, to his actual comments, to the reaction to his comments on both sides was the fault of the media exploiting a weak populace. The media not only cover it, but they spend too much time commentating on it. Covering situations informs, commentating influences.

(11-01-2017 05:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 05:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

Well the tooth fairy didn't call people SOBs. Who else is to blame for the words that came out of Trump's mouth?

No protests,

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What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

(11-01-2017 05:06 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

What false narrative?

That there is systematic racism in law enforcement. The data simply does not back this claim up.

I'm interested in the data you're using to come to that conclusion, since there are certainly "discrepancies" as far as I'm aware. It also might have to do with how you define 'systemic racism', if you're excluding policies that are in practice disproportionately affecting specific races despite not being explicitly racist/etc.

(11-01-2017 05:23 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 05:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 05:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  So Trump is to blame for calling these morons out for protesting a false narrative?


EL OH EL!

Well the tooth fairy didn't call people SOBs. Who else is to blame for the words that came out of Trump's mouth?

No protests,

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What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Do you really need help connecting the dots? Can you imagine if Trump said that, tweeted that or retweeted that, as opposed to calling players protesting the Anthem SOBs. Can you imagine if any Republican tweeted that? There would be mass protests all over America, calling Republicans genocidal Nazis. But as long as the message comes from a leftist group it is just fine.