Wow, reading through the indictment. Manafort and Gates laundered $75 million as agents of a foreign govt.

My money is on these being the only charges...............................

On Oct. 5th George Papadopolous flipped. It was sealed to the 30th. Why in the hell haven't they put Trump on the stand? You have him on obstruction of justice now. You could have had perjury. The only reason they don't have Trump is they didn't have him under oath. They might still get him but if they could have had him under oath. The guy can't go one sentence without lying.

(10-30-2017 09:49 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  My money is on these being the only charges...............................

On Oct. 5th George Papadopolous flipped. It was sealed to the 30th. Why in the hell haven't they put Trump on the stand? You have him on obstruction of justice now. You could have had perjury. The only reason they don't have Trump is they didn't have him under oath. They might still get him but if they could have had him under oath. The guy can't go one sentence without lying.

The man you mentioned has been around since summer

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/p...story.html

Trump campaign literally ignored his advice

You guys keep glossing over the fact that Trump won’t release his taxes. Does Mueller have access to these?

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Manafort has known this was coming for months. The only reason he was indicted now was because of the Hillary/DNC connection to the Steele dossier. It's all about changing the narrative.

R I D I C U L O U S!

You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

Haha.

Does the guy even get a trial with you guys?

He’s been indicted, not convicted. Geeeez.

Anyone that does and files their own taxes, outside some folks that simply pull a W-2 and file short form, has violated our tax code in some shape or form. It’s near impossible for ANYONE to fully comply 100% with the monstrosity.

Now, maybe he was into something intentionally, who knows at this point. If so, off he goes.

What possible connection does that have with Trump or the Trump campaign/admin?!?

(10-30-2017 09:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys keep glossing over the fact that Trump won’t release his taxes. Does Mueller have access to these?

They have obviously been released to the IRS. I'm guessing the IRS hasn't found anything illegal with them or we would know.

A nothing burger......

The best of the best of the Dims are focused on obstruction of justice. I understand that the MSM is trying to build momentum. A false narrative repeated a thousand times. Donna Brazil admitted to fraud. Please Dims, follow her lead. Please cnn and GMA, stop the facade. Please Ellen, stop your hypocrisy. Please “The View” hosts, stop the agenda driven pathetic usery.

If Bueller can't tie this to the campaign, the whole thing could be thrown out on the basis of illegal search and seizure.

(10-30-2017 09:33 AM)solohawks Wrote:  No where in the indictment is the 2016 campaign mentioned

Nor Trumps name.

So, the number seems to be 75 million bucks, parked in some offshore account(s).

Where and for whom was Manafort working
that generated that kind of cash income?

It certainly wasn’t a 3 month gig as a campaign director, and was apparently years prior.

What was his job back then? I’d suggest they start there...

Seems a whoooooole lot of cash sloshing around somewhere.

(10-30-2017 09:54 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 08:51 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Manafort has known this was coming for months. The only reason he was indicted now was because of the Hillary/DNC connection to the Steele dossier. It's all about changing the narrative.

R I D I C U L O U S!

You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

Haha.

Does the guy even get a trial with you guys?
I have no dog in the political fight you guys want to have but you have to understand how federal criminal cases work. I can help you with that. The USAO has a 95% conviction rate. Once you get to charges in the federal system it's pretty much a given. They will look to plead and try to get a reduced sentence by cooperating with the investigation. There will be more arrests.

He’s been indicted, not convicted. Geeeez.

Anyone that does and files their own taxes, outside some folks that simply pull a W-2 and file short form, has violated our tax code in some shape or form. It’s near impossible for ANYONE to fully comply 100% quality the monstrosity.
Me forgetting that prize I won and not claiming it on my taxes is slightly different amigo than this. Manafort and Gates created dozens of shell companies to launder money through so that they could get it out of foreign banks back into the U.S. This is cartel level laundering they undertook. They also lied to lenders to get loans and failed to disclose both those foreign bank accounts and their ties as an agent to a foreign govt.

Now, maybe he was into something intentionally, who knows at this point. If so, off he goes.
Homie, this is obvious. Their efforts were as intentional as could possible be. They hid millions of dollars from the U.S. govt. You need to go read the indictment when you get the time.

What possible connection does that have with Trump or the Trump campaign/admin?!?
That question obviously can't be answered right now. But what we do have now that we didn't have a few days ago is at least an indirect connection. Manafort was working on behalf of the Ukranian political party. He helped that individual get elected. That individual ran on a pro-Russian platform and when he flee'd the country on corruption charges where did he go? Russia. And then there's that time when Manafort was the campaign manager. In the end, there may be nothing there, but there is an awfully large coincidence especially since we know that the "company" that did most of the fake news originated in Ukraine.

(10-30-2017 09:43 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  So the biggest fish Mueller has is a guy who was involved for the campaign in 2-3 months and then left as soon as the allegations came to light.

Yawn.

This doesn't even rank up there with Hillary selling favors through the Klinton foundation.

And a guilty plea by some 30 YO former aide in an unpaid position...

N/M, this guy was on staff, but his efforts ignored. Pretty clearly trying to curry favor with someone for something.

Thought this was originally Manaforts alleged accomplice.

Still no evidence of

MUH COLLUSION!!!

Ohhhhhh. What tangled webs we weave when we choose to cheat lie and deceive. What great is the number of hours FoxNews DEVOTED to the Clinton’s last week and the Trumpbots just lap it up. Amazing really.

This big ole nuthingburger turns out to be a giant orange haired turd sammich.

(10-30-2017 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:29 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

Woah Tom.. I agree that Manafort was a tax-evader.

But Dirty?

And he was let go fairly quickly after the primaries.



As for deflections: Do you agree or disagree that the Podesta Group may or may not have been involved in this mess? As such that's not deflection.

You don't consider a tax cheat dirty? And I think he's way more dirty than just filing a bad tax return...lol

And if anyone in the Podesta group committed crimes they belong in jail. But what did they actually do? Pay a former British spy for some opposition research? If that's it, that's not a crime nor is it collusion with a foreign and/or hostile enemy government, right?

Obama's administration was rife with tax cheats, where was your outrage then? Hell, there are likely still democrat congressional members who have yet to face consequences from their shady tax dealings.

I'm amazed at how much you guys get yourselves worked up over the wrong issue.

Both parties have proven over and over again that they will engage in criminal activity for the end game. Not all politicians are crooked but both parties are. Get your heads out of your collective asses. And it's never going to change, because We the People allow it to continue.

This nugget

George Papadopolous, 30, entered the guilty plea in a closed courtroom in Washington on Oct. 5, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office announced.

Unlike the just-unsealed indictment against Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and adviser Rick Gates for money laundering and other charges, the single felony count against Papadopolous directly relates to 2016 presidential campaign activity.

Papadopolous admitted to lying to the FBI in January, before Mueller took over the probe, about his contacts with a Russian professor and a representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

(10-30-2017 10:22 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:29 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys really need to stop this nonsense. Just own it. trump hired a dirty person to run his campaign and that guy is more than likely either going to prison or is going to roll over on others to avoid it.

Stop trying to defend him or trumps decision to hire him with these week deflections to Hillary and unfounded conspiracies.

Woah Tom.. I agree that Manafort was a tax-evader.

But Dirty?

And he was let go fairly quickly after the primaries.



As for deflections: Do you agree or disagree that the Podesta Group may or may not have been involved in this mess? As such that's not deflection.

You don't consider a tax cheat dirty? And I think he's way more dirty than just filing a bad tax return...lol

And if anyone in the Podesta group committed crimes they belong in jail. But what did they actually do? Pay a former British spy for some opposition research? If that's it, that's not a crime nor is it collusion with a foreign and/or hostile enemy government, right?

Obama's administration was rife with tax cheats, where was your outrage then? Hell, there are likely still democrat congressional members who have yet to face consequences from their shady tax dealings.

Yup.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washingt...s-irs.html

Quote:Now, back taxes have been a problem for the Obama-Biden administration. You may recall early on that Tom Daschle was the president's top pick to run the Health and Human Services Department. But it turned out the former Democratic senator, who was un-elected from South Dakota in 2004, owed something like $120,000 to the IRS for things from his subsequent benefactor that he just forgot to pay taxes on. You know how that is. $120G's here or there. So he dropped out.

And then we learned this guy Timothy Geithner owed something like $42,000 in back taxes and penalties to the IRS, which is one of the agencies that he'd be in charge of as secretary of the Treasury. The fine fellow who's supposed to know about handling everyone else's money. In the end this was excused by Washington's bipartisan CYA culture as one of those inadvertent accidental oversights that somehow never seem to happen on the side of paying too much taxes.

And under Geithner's expert guidance the U.S. economy has been, well, wow! Just look at it.

Privacy laws prevent release of individual tax delinquents' names. But we do know that as of the end of 2009, 41 people inside Obama's very own White House owe the government they're allegedly running a total of $831,055 in back taxes. That would cover a lot of special chocolate desserts in the White House Mess.

(10-30-2017 10:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:43 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  So the biggest fish Mueller has is a guy who was involved for the campaign in 2-3 months and then left as soon as the allegations came to light.

Yawn.

This doesn't even rank up there with Hillary selling favors through the Klinton foundation.

And a guilty plea by some 30 YO former aide in an unpaid position... from years prior to Trump even running...

MUH COLLUSION!!!

Like I said, some low level apparatchik will be sacrificed at the altar for public consumption.

at the TrumpBotz......... but muh Hilareeee. Look over here..... hey look at these JFK files..... zip banga gazinga........ build that wall.... build that wall.......

The thread is about Trumps campaign illegal actions. The guy who was in charge of his campaign is now indicted for conspiracy against the US.........


Words can not express.....

(10-30-2017 10:27 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:   at the TrumpBotz......... but muh Hilareeee. Look over here..... hey look at these JFK files..... zip banga gazinga........ build that wall.... build that wall.......

The thread is about Trumps campaign illegal actions. The guy who was in charge of his campaign is now indicted for conspiracy against the US.........


Words can not express.....

Please cite the connection... I'll wait with bated breath.