HOW many forms of currency did Hillary and Podesta pay Manafort in? They obviously laundered money but my question is did they pay him in marks and gold and bitcoin and use a foreign bank or what?

(10-30-2017 10:46 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This nugget

George Papadopolous, 30, entered the guilty plea in a closed courtroom in Washington on Oct. 5, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office announced.

Unlike the just-unsealed indictment against Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and adviser Rick Gates for money laundering and other charges, the single felony count against Papadopolous directly relates to 2016 presidential campaign activity.

Papadopolous admitted to lying to the FBI in January, before Mueller took over the probe, about his contacts with a Russian professor and a representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

And did you follow up on how far papadopoulos got with his efforts?

Seems nowhere.

Unpaid position, this guy was working to curry favor with someone over there looking to get an intro of some sort. Got slapped down repeatedly.

Collusion doesn't have to be fruitful my good man. Again, next to no one is saying beyond any doubts that any amount of conclusion or interference by Russia is why H lost or why orange ape won. That's just the right-wing and trump narrative they're trying to push on you. Stop buying it.

And here's the Papa Georges charges.

Take a read, very interesting...
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

(10-30-2017 09:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys keep glossing over the fact that Trump won’t release his taxes. Does Mueller have access to these?

I see that the left sent out a new talking point...

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

(10-30-2017 10:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:33 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:31 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Manafort, Gates and Papapoulos all charged. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty of lying to the feds before Mueller was put in place. If Trump had nothing to do with this? Then, he picked wrong people who had shady pasts to help run his campaign.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/p...index.html

And the crime in picking people with shady pasts to help run his campaign?

It shows how bad Trump's judgement of character of who he picked to work for him. It will cost him big time, and he would become a lame duck President.

Assuming Trump personally sat down with each and every person who was involved with his campaign (and I know that not to be the case because I've read stories by people heavily involved in his campaign at high levels who never exchanged a single word with the man), exactly how is he to judge the character of each and every one of them? If it takes the FBI and a special prosecutor and all of the assets they have at their fingertips a year and a half to 2 years to come up with these charges, are you suggesting Trump should have known these dark secrets in mere minutes? That's not making an excuse, that's asking a reasonable question.

In my personal opinion, Trump's entire administration seems to be plagued not with corruption, but with people who don't know how DC works, how its system operates, and that's perfectly logical since his stated goals were to undo the corrupt mess that DC has become.

I've sat through a lot of presidential campiagns and their aftermaths, my first being JFK's, and I can honestly say that never have I seen a man more committed to keeping his campagin promises than the man who currently resides in the White House. I'd say the second most committed was Jimmy Carter and thank god he was not totally successful in his goals.

Finally, I'm not at all convinced Trump is even thinking about a second term, though I sure hope it works out the way. The entertainment value of watching liberal heads explode is just too much fun.

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

not yet.....

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

Or Trump


And we can say at least not yet on both.

(10-30-2017 10:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 09:08 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Seems I remember Trump hiring Manafort to gain favor with the establishment. Then I think someone tipped off the Trump campaign that there was something shady about him and he was fired. A swamp monster, I bet PM has a lot of inside info on the Clinton Global Foundations pay to play. I think the CGF gave the green light to a lot of shady characters to set up similar scams, maybe Flynn, Podesta, Comey, etc? I bet there's a lot of wheeling dealing going on behind the scenes.

Manafort was hired to bring the "establishment" in.

And apparently already under FBI “scrutiny” or possibly investigation already.

Wouldn’t it be incumbent upon the FBI to mention that to the campaign or someone in the chain of command? Maybe not, but it’s a cinch everything else gets leaked up there, how was this kept under wraps for 3 entire months?

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

not yet... but soon enough...

(10-30-2017 10:55 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

Or Trump


And we can say at least not yet on both.

No, not personally yet, but these are people he or his team brought on board to aid in his election. Pretty sure you've all said in the past that the leader has to bear the responsibility for what the people under him did, AMIRITE? Many wanted H jailed for being SOS when Stevens was killed because people under her may have screwed up, AMIRITE again?

You can't have it both ways.

(10-30-2017 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:46 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This nugget

George Papadopolous, 30, entered the guilty plea in a closed courtroom in Washington on Oct. 5, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office announced.

Unlike the just-unsealed indictment against Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and adviser Rick Gates for money laundering and other charges, the single felony count against Papadopolous directly relates to 2016 presidential campaign activity.

Papadopolous admitted to lying to the FBI in January, before Mueller took over the probe, about his contacts with a Russian professor and a representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

And did you follow up on how far papadopoulos got with his efforts?

Seems nowhere.

Unpaid position, this guy was working to curry favor with someone over there looking to get an intro of some sort. Got slapped down repeatedly.

Collusion doesn't have to be fruitful my good man. Again, next to no one is saying beyond any doubts that any amount of conclusion or interference by Russia is why H lost or why orange ape won. That's just the right-wing and trump narrative they're trying to push on you. Stop buying it.

And here's the Papa Georges charges.

Take a read, very interesting...
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download

Yea, Papa lied about when he had contact with this professor, and claimed it was before he was part of the campaign.

NOT anything about what he did or was doing, but when he was doing it.

He lied to the FBI about the timing of his convos with a Russian professor...

Really? That’s what we got?!?

Wow.

(10-30-2017 10:24 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This nugget

George Papadopolous, 30, entered the guilty plea in a closed courtroom in Washington on Oct. 5, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office announced.

Unlike the just-unsealed indictment against Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and adviser Rick Gates for money laundering and other charges, the single felony count against Papadopolous directly relates to 2016 presidential campaign activity.

Papadopolous admitted to lying to the FBI in January, before Mueller took over the probe, about his contacts with a Russian professor and a representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Read the Washington post article, not the incredibly biased headline. This guy was ignored by everyone. Even Manafort shut him down

(10-30-2017 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:55 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

Or Trump


And we can say at least not yet on both.

No, not personally yet, but these are people he or his team brought on board to aid in his election. Pretty sure you've all said in the past that the leader has to bear the responsibility for what the people under him did, AMIRITE? Many wanted H jailed for being SOS when Stevens was killed because people under her may have screwed up, AMIRITE again?

You can't have it both ways.

We do want it both ways, but what does this indictment have to do with the Trump Campaign?

(10-30-2017 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:55 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:47 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  I love how leftist like Mach completely ignore all of the numerous illegal acts Hillary and her fellow Dems have committed and yet there has been no special prosecutor named to go after her. Nothing released today has anything to do with Trump or Russia. Big surprise, right. Nothing to do with collusion. Mach's sole purpose in his miserable life these days is to be consumed with Donald Trump's Presidency and his hope it is taken down. Well, so far he is batting 0.00.

This is NOT about Hillary!

Or Trump


And we can say at least not yet on both.

No, not personally yet, but these are people he or his team brought on board to aid in his election. Pretty sure you've all said in the past that the leader has to bear the responsibility for what the people under him did, AMIRITE? Many wanted H jailed for being SOS when Stevens was killed because people under her may have screwed up, AMIRITE again?

You can't have it both ways.

We do want it both ways, but what does this indictment have to do with the Trump Campaign?

Other than the fact that trump hired the guy (and papa) and they both worked on this campaign, nothing. Yet....

(10-30-2017 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:55 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This is NOT about Hillary!

Or Trump


And we can say at least not yet on both.

No, not personally yet, but these are people he or his team brought on board to aid in his election. Pretty sure you've all said in the past that the leader has to bear the responsibility for what the people under him did, AMIRITE? Many wanted H jailed for being SOS when Stevens was killed because people under her may have screwed up, AMIRITE again?

You can't have it both ways.

We do want it both ways, but what does this indictment have to do with the Trump Campaign?

Other than the fact that trump hired the guy (and papa) and they both worked on this campaign, Nothing. Yet....

So did the podesta group

Care to comment about them

(10-30-2017 11:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:55 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Or Trump


And we can say at least not yet on both.

No, not personally yet, but these are people he or his team brought on board to aid in his election. Pretty sure you've all said in the past that the leader has to bear the responsibility for what the people under him did, AMIRITE? Many wanted H jailed for being SOS when Stevens was killed because people under her may have screwed up, AMIRITE again?

You can't have it both ways.

We do want it both ways, but what does this indictment have to do with the Trump Campaign?

Other than the fact that trump hired the guy (and papa) and they both worked on this campaign, Nothing. Yet....

So did the podesta group

Care to comment about them

I already have!

Again guys, these repeated attempts to bring in Hillary, the DNC and/or Podesta into this discussion about trump campaign officials acting against our governemnt and the stuff with Papa George just make you look weak and defensive. These are all being covered in numerous other threads.

(10-30-2017 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:26 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 11:14 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 10:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, not personally yet, but these are people he or his team brought on board to aid in his election. Pretty sure you've all said in the past that the leader has to bear the responsibility for what the people under him did, AMIRITE? Many wanted H jailed for being SOS when Stevens was killed because people under her may have screwed up, AMIRITE again?

You can't have it both ways.

We do want it both ways, but what does this indictment have to do with the Trump Campaign?

Other than the fact that trump hired the guy (and papa) and they both worked on this campaign, Nothing. Yet....

So did the podesta group

Care to comment about them

I already have!

Again guys, these repeated attempts to bring in Hillary, the DNC and/or Podesta into this discussion about trump campaign officials acting against our governemnt and the stuff with Papa George just make you look weak and defensive. These are all being covered in numerous other threads.

I feel neither weak nor defensive, actually feeling full dining on a big nothingburger today.

Why do you classify him as a Trump campaign official when he was a podesta employee when most of these incidents are alleged to have occurred?

(10-30-2017 11:32 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Why do you classify him as a Trump campaign official when he was a podesta employee when most of these incidents are alleged to have occurred?

Narrative, try to keep up.

So after all this time and the untold millions of taxpayers dollars spent on the investigation this is what we get?






Man I bet when "Muh Jester" gets home from school today his mom is going to allow him to have a celebratory Yoo-Hoo with his Little Debbie Swiss Roll.