(10-20-2017 10:24 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I could care less honestly. I've always been a follower of the "rising tide floats all ships" mantra. I just think it's hilarious that you guys are calling for a coach's head 7 weeks into his first season and using reasons like "his offense" when it's obviously defensive issues and the fact that you have two ****** QBs (which you already knew about one going into the season) holding you guys back.

The offense (numbers are prior to last night):
2017 25.5 (tied for 86th in FBS)

2016* 35.8 (26th)
2015* 40.4 (10th)

2014** 29.8 (60th)
2013** 33.2 (tied for 37th)
2012** 32.4 (38th)

2011*** 49.3 (1st)
2010*** 37.7 (13th)
2009*** 42.2 (1st)
2008*** 40.6 (10th)

Applewhite
Herman *
Levine **
Sumlin ***

2nd half struggles (includes last night)
UH is 23rd in the nation in points scored in the 1st half and 100th in points scored in the 2nd. The defense is ranked 6th in points allowed in the 1st half and 109th in the 2nd.

(10-20-2017 07:57 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 07:54 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 07:40 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 05:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Houston fans:

Lets assume for a second Applewhite is gone after the year. Who are some realistic targets you go after?

Rumor is Les Miles is the guy. That would be a huge upgrade. Also possibly the troy head coach.


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If Houston fires someone after one year they'll have trouble finding anyone worth a damn to take that job.

Les miles is definitely worth a damn and there is no reason to believe he would turn the job down. Funny how its non coog fans saying coaches cant be fired after one year as though its some kind of rule. Could it be that just maybe you guys are afraid we aren’t going to allow ourselves to suck long enough for you to have a winning record against us?


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I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 07:57 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 07:54 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 07:40 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 05:28 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Houston fans:

Lets assume for a second Applewhite is gone after the year. Who are some realistic targets you go after?

Rumor is Les Miles is the guy. That would be a huge upgrade. Also possibly the troy head coach.


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If Houston fires someone after one year they'll have trouble finding anyone worth a damn to take that job.

Les miles is definitely worth a damn and there is no reason to believe he would turn the job down. Funny how its non coog fans saying coaches cant be fired after one year as though its some kind of rule. Could it be that just maybe you guys are afraid we aren’t going to allow ourselves to suck long enough for you to have a winning record against us?


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I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

But see your ignoring the exception here. Applewhite is an in house hire, so while he has been a hc for only a year he has been a coach here going on 3 years.

The only message it would send is if after 3 years you cant have a team ready to go your done.


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(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I hear you. Unfortunately, we've been there and done that ad nausea pro headache-a.

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

(10-20-2017 02:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

Not really major has been here 3 years now, and he was already very questionable as an OC.


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This was probably my favorite part of the game last night

https://twitter.com/Jesterondirt/status/...4447674374

(10-20-2017 02:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

Its really not. This team has won every first half this season and lost every second half this season. Tells you he cant handle the in game adjustment aspect of the being a head coach. That last two weeks are just spectacular examples of a season long trend that runs all the way back to the Las Vegas Bowl last season. You can either think on your feet or you cannot. Its not really a trait that can be learned.

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

His contract is no tougher to get out of than any other contract we have signed. The only difference was this contract is more expensive for the Applewhite to walk away from. Thats the only difference. In fact, its actually cheaper for the schools to exit early than it is for Applewhite. That said---I dont see us eating the entire buy out in just year one. He will get another year on the hot seat and he will probably have huge reset of his staff. I expect a new OC, DC, and I think he will hire a new special teams coach (dont have one right now) and a new strength and conditioning guy. I suspect he will be required to perform the staff reboot just to keep his job.

(10-20-2017 02:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

Is it? We're less than a week removed from a 42-17 loss to a 1-5 team. We've been outscored 126-65 in the 2nd half this season. We have almost as many home losses this season (2) as we did in the previous three seasons combined (3).

When is it ok to panic?

This might go down as the best officiated game ever. It is a thankless job so props to the crew.

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

Not really major has been here 3 years now, and he was already very questionable as an OC.


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Oh you mean when his offense was 10th and 26th in the nation? He was terrible then right?

(10-20-2017 05:22 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

Not really major has been here 3 years now, and he was already very questionable as an OC.


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Oh you mean when his offense was 10th and 26th in the nation? He was terrible then right?

Pleaaaseee herman routinely questioned applewhites play calling and even commented once how he would occasionally override him because it was so bad. You could tell when applewhite had called a play because it would be a run up the middle for no gain while a herman play would be a pass for 20 yards.


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If Houston is half the job their fans think it is, then why did they end up with Major Applewhite as their coach?

(10-20-2017 05:41 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  If Houston is half the job their fans think it is, then why did they end up with Major Applewhite as their coach?

Shrimp Man scared the real coaches off

(10-20-2017 05:41 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  If Houston is half the job their fans think it is, then why did they end up with Major Applewhite as their coach?

Because our leadership didn’t want to have to start over with a rebuild. So they hired applewhite to ensure we would continue to have a great offense and win 8 or more games a year.

If we knew applewhite would make us this bad and that we would be rebuilding he would never have even sniffed the job.

There is literally no reason for us to keep him as the whole point was to avoid needing any adjustment time for a rebuild.

Since its clear we are going to have to rebuild leadership is going to more than likely do it with a much more competent coach.


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(10-20-2017 05:22 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:10 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 02:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:41 PM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 01:34 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  I don't think anyone has stated that it's a rule you can't fire a coach after one season. It's just that most schools would never do that. What kind of message would that send to future candidates? "You have one year to win here and win big or you will be fired." I think coaches need at least 2-3 years to prove themselves and build their own program. I'm not saying Applewhite is a good coach but I'm guessing he will be given at least 2 years at Houston.

Major's contract makes that a near certainty. That's good news for the rest of the conference and terrible news for us.

I know it's frustrating the day after an epic collapse, but truth is, it's too early to tell if MA will be a good coach for you or not.

Not really major has been here 3 years now, and he was already very questionable as an OC.


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Oh you mean when his offense was 10th and 26th in the nation? He was terrible then right?

In 15-16 Major had Greg Ward Jr. GW3 had the athletic ability to make the read option work, and could improvise when the called play broke down. 2017 - no GW3 - no offense to speak of.

(10-20-2017 05:49 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 05:41 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  If Houston is half the job their fans think it is, then why did they end up with Major Applewhite as their coach?

Because our leadership didn’t want to have to start over with a rebuild. So they hired applewhite to ensure we would continue to have a great offense and win 8 or more games a year.

If we knew applewhite would make us this bad and that we would be rebuilding he would never have even sniffed the job.

There is literally no reason for us to keep him as the whole point was to avoid needing any adjustment time for a rebuild.

Since its clear we are going to have to rebuild leadership is going to more than likely do it with a much more competent coach.


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You must think you are Alabama

So Houston didn't interview any outside candidates? Golden boy Applebottom was simply promoted without question?

Sorry Westy :(