NIU had 102 rushing yards in the first half and and 58 in the second half though......

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:09 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:54 PM)7 Wrote:  The defense gave up 13 points to SDSU. If it wasn’t for the offense and special teams handing SDSU 21 points, NIU wins. Not sure how you could say NIU isn’t in that game without Santa.

I'm not sure Childers can score 14+ on SDSU. Their one major flaw on D was that corner. I doubt Childers exposes him. Also, The 3 and outs would give SDSU better field position and probably lead to more points for them.

We were shut out by buffalo in the second half. That only happened one time last year and we lost 7 games. EMU. Then we brought Santa in for the second half and rallied to the win. It's going to be rough during the learning curve.

Huff tore up SDSU, they had more weaknesses than one corner.

Look I would be playing Santa, but they’re both less than ideal choices.

I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

He did absolutely nothing in the 2nd half... unless you call a 81 yard TD pass to Tears and a 50 yard strike to Blake, followed by a completed pass to Tears that got us to the SDSU 5 yard line, something. And regarding Nebraska, when we went down in the 4th quarter and absolutely nobody thought we would come back; Santa made two absolute Sunday throws to Blake (50 & 16 yards) to get us to the 1 yard line; then we ran it in. Your point is valid; but let's get the facts straight.

He went 6/15 for 71 yards and 2 picks the last 29 minutes of the game. That is the fact lol

(10-17-2017 02:48 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:09 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I'm not sure Childers can score 14+ on SDSU. Their one major flaw on D was that corner. I doubt Childers exposes him. Also, The 3 and outs would give SDSU better field position and probably lead to more points for them.

We were shut out by buffalo in the second half. That only happened one time last year and we lost 7 games. EMU. Then we brought Santa in for the second half and rallied to the win. It's going to be rough during the learning curve.

Huff tore up SDSU, they had more weaknesses than one corner.

Look I would be playing Santa, but they’re both less than ideal choices.

I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

He did absolutely nothing in the 2nd half... unless you call a 81 yard TD pass to Tears and a 50 yard strike to Blake, followed by a completed pass to Tears that got us to the SDSU 5 yard line, something. And regarding Nebraska, when we went down in the 4th quarter and absolutely nobody thought we would come back; Santa made two absolute Sunday throws to Blake (50 & 16 yards) to get us to the 1 yard line; then we ran it in. Your point is valid; but let's get the facts straight.

That deep ball to Blake emphasizes how huge a pass like that is. Nebraska and its crowd was fired up and that one pass shut them all up. Connecting on a play like
That is sometimes worth a lot more than just the yards it gains.

(10-17-2017 02:49 PM)7 Wrote:  He went 6/15 for 71 yards and 2 picks the last 29 minutes of the game. That is the fat lol

You made your point...I think it's been established, and Carey's QB decision would confirm that with the Santa' s last 5 plays, all but wiped out what the RS sophomore grdid in the previous 91 plays. Some on this site are simply making the point that Santa did not get a chance to work through his weaknesses; which is primarily decision making. Go back to the post EMU game last year, there were many who never wanted to see the kid on the field again. Since then he won 4-5 games, including a win against Nebraska. If Santa never sees the field again (a distinct possibility) he would have served the proram very well. I think it's time to turn the page; and it's on to Childers.

(10-17-2017 03:03 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:49 PM)7 Wrote:  He went 6/15 for 71 yards and 2 picks the last 29 minutes of the game. That is the fat lol

I think it's time to turn the page; and it's on to Childers.

Well said.

I don't understand how people are saying we don't have any good choices at QB. We have two very talented underclassmen with great potential. With a little more experience they're both capable of becoming All MAC level players. Childers' ceiling is very high. I think he'll be very productive in a few games. Santa needs to overcome the int. bug but with the game management I've talked about he could be great, too.

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:09 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 01:54 PM)7 Wrote:  The defense gave up 13 points to SDSU. If it wasn’t for the offense and special teams handing SDSU 21 points, NIU wins. Not sure how you could say NIU isn’t in that game without Santa.

I'm not sure Childers can score 14+ on SDSU. Their one major flaw on D was that corner. I doubt Childers exposes him. Also, The 3 and outs would give SDSU better field position and probably lead to more points for them.

We were shut out by buffalo in the second half. That only happened one time last year and we lost 7 games. EMU. Then we brought Santa in for the second half and rallied to the win. It's going to be rough during the learning curve.

Huff tore up SDSU, they had more weaknesses than one corner.

Look I would be playing Santa, but they’re both less than ideal choices.

I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

So you think that Carey gives his underclassman QB the freedom to check to a pass play whenever he wants????
Are you sure it wasn't an RPO

(10-17-2017 06:10 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:09 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I'm not sure Childers can score 14+ on SDSU. Their one major flaw on D was that corner. I doubt Childers exposes him. Also, The 3 and outs would give SDSU better field position and probably lead to more points for them.

We were shut out by buffalo in the second half. That only happened one time last year and we lost 7 games. EMU. Then we brought Santa in for the second half and rallied to the win. It's going to be rough during the learning curve.

Huff tore up SDSU, they had more weaknesses than one corner.

Look I would be playing Santa, but they’re both less than ideal choices.

I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

So you think that Carey gives his underclassman QB the freedom to check to a pass play whenever he wants????
Are you sure it wasn't an RPO

It was the same concept as his late pick. If he doesn't like the look pre snap he can throw the deep ball. One time it worked, one time it didn't.

(10-17-2017 10:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:10 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Huff tore up SDSU, they had more weaknesses than one corner.

Look I would be playing Santa, but they’re both less than ideal choices.

I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

So you think that Carey gives his underclassman QB the freedom to check to a pass play whenever he wants????
Are you sure it wasn't an RPO

It was the same concept as his late pick. If he doesn't like the look pre snap he can throw the deep ball. One time it worked, one time it didn't.

Badmoon loves writing Run/Pass Option in acronym form

(10-17-2017 10:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:10 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Huff tore up SDSU, they had more weaknesses than one corner.

Look I would be playing Santa, but they’re both less than ideal choices.

I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

So you think that Carey gives his underclassman QB the freedom to check to a pass play whenever he wants????
Are you sure it wasn't an RPO

It was the same concept as his late pick. If he doesn't like the look pre snap he can throw the deep ball. One time it worked, one time it didn't.

And you know this how? Because you're a former coach? Stop pretending you know anything about X's and O's. It's funny but there seems to be a few people ignorant enough to believe your nonsense.

(10-18-2017 04:58 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 10:58 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 06:10 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:35 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-17-2017 02:18 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I'm going under the theory a lot of Huffs success stemmed from a softened up defense trying not to eat beat deep again. Here's huffs numbers under the Graham/Childers...style offense. 33 carries for 109 yards. Under the Santa style offense...52 carries for 341 yards. I know some of that is just circumstantial, but I think there's definitely some truth to what the defenses can do against a non-passing vertical passing offense.

Santa's TD to Tears came against an 8 man front and I believe was actually a called run play (not to get into that discussion again).

After that play, Santa was 17/22 for 191 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT. He finished the game 23/37 for 262 yards, 3 TD and 3 INT.

In the last 29 minutes of the game, Santa went 6/15 for 71 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT.

Santa played a good first half if you ignore the fact he threw a brutal pick 6. He didn't absolutely nothing in the second half in a game that was very winnable.

NIU was in that game because their defense played insane, Huff running, and Santa making 2-3 nice throws. Santa hitting a few deep balls against SDSU doesn't overshadow everything else though. He did absolutely nothing the week before against Nebraska too.

So you think that Carey gives his underclassman QB the freedom to check to a pass play whenever he wants???? :lmfao:
Are you sure it wasn't an RPO :lmfao:

It was the same concept as his late pick. If he doesn't like the look pre snap he can throw the deep ball. One time it worked, one time it didn't.

:lmfao:
And you know this how? Because you're a former coach? Stop pretending you know anything about X's and O's. It's funny but there seems to be a few people ignorant enough to believe your nonsense.

They actually talk about the concept on Gruden’s QB camp with Lynch. It’s also not hard to see when the offensive line is run blocking.

Let’s discuss it before or after a game sometime! I’d love to hear why you feel so passionately that I’m wrong. Maybe you can educate me.

And that was three years ago and you know the concepts because Gruden talked about it in a show? It's obvious to me that Carey would never give his QBs the freedom to check from a running play to deep pass -- would never happen and I wouldn't do it at this juncture either. It's also obvious that we do not run RPOs. I thought I saw it run during spring and was excited about it but haven't seen it in a game this year.

Jud! My man. Great breakdown. This man knows his Huskies football, as do many of us on here do. I agree with this assessment and am fine with rolling with Childers. However Ill support whatever damn QB they roll out there!

Go Huskies, Beat Bowling Green.

This team and season could be special....

(10-18-2017 11:24 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  And that was three years ago and you know the concepts because Gruden talked about it in a show? It's obvious to me that Carey would never give his QBs the freedom to check from a running play to deep pass -- would never happen and I wouldn't do it at this juncture either. It's also obvious that we do not run RPOs. I thought I saw it run during spring and was excited about it but haven't seen it in a game this year.

So why are the run blocking on pass plays?

(10-18-2017 12:23 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:24 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  And that was three years ago and you know the concepts because Gruden talked about it in a show? It's obvious to me that Carey would never give his QBs the freedom to check from a running play to deep pass -- would never happen and I wouldn't do it at this juncture either. It's also obvious that we do not run RPOs. I thought I saw it run during spring and was excited about it but haven't seen it in a game this year.

So why are the run blocking on pass plays?

Bad coaching?

(10-18-2017 12:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Bad coaching?

Definitely. Run pass options don't exist.

(10-18-2017 12:48 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Bad coaching?

Definitely. Run pass options don't exist.

I believe (falling ever so slightly short of saying I know) that the [/b]RPO does exist and is a part of not only our offense but any offense of this type; that is what point #3 is based on. Here is the crazy part (specific to the SDSU game); if indeed it does exist, it would make you question the playcall even more so. You know Santa 1) is inexperienced; his career is measured in quarters not seasons 2) his decision making is perhaps his biggest downfall 3) like most young gunslingers (hate that term) he thinks he can make every and any throw. Given these points, why would you call a play, especially in that situation, that requires your young QB to do something that he is not yet good at? especially since we are pounding the ball at that point. To me, this is the better question.

(10-18-2017 01:30 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:48 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Bad coaching?

Definitely. Run pass options don't exist.

I believe (falling ever so slightly short of saying I know) that the [/b]RPO does exist and is a part of not only our offense but any offense of this type; that is what point #3 is based on. Here is the crazy part (specific to the SDSU game); if indeed it does exist, it would make you question the playcall even more so. You know Santa 1) is inexperienced; his career is measured in quarters not seasons 2) his decision making is perhaps his biggest downfall 3) like most young gunslingers (hate that term) he thinks he can make every and any throw. Given these points, why would you call a play, especially in that situation, that requires your young QB to do something that he is not yet good at? especially since we are pounding the ball at that point. To me, this is the better question.

If you don’t trust a guy who’s been in your program over 2 years to run the offense he probably shouldn’t be playing.

Maybe that’s why he’s not anymore.

(10-18-2017 01:54 PM)7 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:30 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:48 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Bad coaching?

Definitely. Run pass options don't exist.

I believe (falling ever so slightly short of saying I know) that the [/b]RPO does exist and is a part of not only our offense but any offense of this type; that is what point #3 is based on. Here is the crazy part (specific to the SDSU game); if indeed it does exist, it would make you question the playcall even more so. You know Santa 1) is inexperienced; his career is measured in quarters not seasons 2) his decision making is perhaps his biggest downfall 3) like most young gunslingers (hate that term) he thinks he can make every and any throw. Given these points, why would you call a play, especially in that situation, that requires your young QB to do something that he is not yet good at? especially since we are pounding the ball at that point. To me, this is the better question.

If you don’t trust a guy who’s been in your program over 2 years to run the offense he probably shouldn’t be playing.

Maybe that’s why he’s not anymore.

You and Carey are aligned. It would appear as if the staff believe decision making issues cannot be corrected via coaching; and/or are not willing to go through the growth process.