I seriously doubt Trump called them and said "yeah he knew what he signed up for" bye, he might have said prior that Johnson was a very brave soldier because "insert quote" and we are very sorry for your loss. I can't believe anything in an era when elementary kids get called KKK and Nazi for standing for the Pledge.

(10-18-2017 12:06 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Lastly, I can excuse your political leanings but no... I won't excuse your ignorance if you're going to pretend to make a factual statement based on your feelings.

(10-18-2017 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:50 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There is no recording. Just like there was no recording when he lied about Comey.

Incidentally, the mother has now confirmed the congresswoman's story.

Quote:The mother of a U.S. soldier killed in Niger said on Wednesday that President Donald Trump “did disrespect” her son, Sgt. La David T. Johnson, and her family in a call to Johnson’s widow.

“President Trump did disrespect my son and my daughter and also me and my husband,” Cowanda Jones-Johnson, Johnson’s mother, told the Washington Post.

She said she was riding with Myeshia Johnson, her son’s widow, in a car when Trump called.

Rep. Frederica Wilson (D-FL) on Tuesday said she was also in the car with Johnson’s widow. She said Trump’s call made Myeshia Johnson cry.

According to Wilson, Trump told Johnson’s widow, “He knew what was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway.”

“She was crying the whole time, and when she hung up the phone, she looked at me and said, ‘He didn’t even remember his name.’ That’s the hurting part,” Wilson told MSNBC on Wednesday. “It was horrible. It was insensitive. It was absolutely crazy, unnecessary. I was livid.”

Mother Of Soldier Killed In Niger: Trump ‘Did Disrespect’ My Son In Call To Widow

Now, whether you would feel disrespected or not is moot. She clearly did. And as a Gold Star mom, tread lightly in calling her a liar.

How do you know that? Just so you know... IF he made the call from the Oval Office, then ALL of those calls are recorded. ALL of them.

but... carry on with your narrative.

I'll gladly issue my apology when the tapes are released.

Narrative.

So...No need for a Trump apology over the Obama birther stuff I guess. Thanks for the free pass!

(10-18-2017 12:06 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:00 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:50 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  How do you know that? Just so you know... IF he made the call from the Oval Office, then ALL of those calls are recorded. ALL of them.

but... carry on with your narrative.

I'll gladly issue my apology when the tapes are released.

Narrative.

I didn't say he didn't say it. All I said was that your definitive word for word statement that, "There are no recordings." is absolutely false if the call was made from the Oval Office. The evidence might support you, or it might not.

But hey... continue the outrage without actual evidence. Do you also support guilty sentences for potential criminals with a lack of evidence and based solely on hearsay?

Clearly, if he called from the oval office there is a recording. You'll have to excuse me if I feel that the majority of things that trump says is a lie, but with this pattern and track record AND ALSO BEING A POLITICIAN, you'd be wise to feel that way.

Doesn't matter how I feel, and I don't have to prove anything about my political leanings to you. I'm just helping you to be a more informed poster. Because "Clearly" you weren't. Or you were just making things up, which for the left... isn't a stretch either. The GOP doesn't hold a monopoly on telling lies.

Lastly, I can excuse your political leanings but no... I won't excuse your ignorance if you're going to pretend to make a factual statement based on your feelings.

Hes a Democrat....a world where feelings eliminate the need for logic.

(10-18-2017 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:06 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:00 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'll gladly issue my apology when the tapes are released.

Narrative.

I didn't say he didn't say it. All I said was that your definitive word for word statement that, "There are no recordings." is absolutely false if the call was made from the Oval Office. The evidence might support you, or it might not.

But hey... continue the outrage without actual evidence. Do you also support guilty sentences for potential criminals with a lack of evidence and based solely on hearsay?

Clearly, if he called from the oval office there is a recording. You'll have to excuse me if I feel that the majority of things that trump says is a lie, but with this pattern and track record AND ALSO BEING A POLITICIAN, you'd be wise to feel that way.

Doesn't matter how I feel, and I don't have to prove anything about my political leanings to you. I'm just helping you to be a more informed poster. Because "Clearly" you weren't. Or you were just making things up, which for the left... isn't a stretch either. The GOP doesn't hold a monopoly on telling lies.

Lastly, I can excuse your political leanings but no... I won't excuse your ignorance if you're going to pretend to make a factual statement based on your feelings.

Hes a Democrat....a world where feelings eliminate the need for logic.

Hardly. Democrats suck.

That Trump might have said that quote that has outraged the Liberals is not the issue. We know that Trump, like Oblunder, does not speak well without a teleprompter. But guess what, as a former serviceman it is true that WE KNOW WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. Whether we're killed in the field of battle or in your field of work you're still dead. I know of this dude that got sucked into an aircraft jet engine intake and yes he died. Is he any different that the one that got killed by an enemy's bullet or for that matter a friendly fire bullet? Nope, you're still dead and before he died I'd venture to say that he knew that COULD HAPPEN.

I did, especially when working on systems with 3,000 psi.

You know what is ironic about it, is that a statement about "knowing what he signed up for" could be said in a number of contexts, both hurtful and helpful. It all depends on how it was said...

(10-18-2017 12:46 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I seriously doubt Trump called them and said "yeah he knew what he signed up for" bye, he might have said prior that Johnson was a very brave soldier because "insert quote" and we are very sorry for your loss. I can't believe anything in an era when elementary kids get called KKK and Nazi for standing for the Pledge.

Based the more recent report, it sounds like he either mispronounced or fumbled somehow when mentioning the soldiers name. That said, the women just lost her loved one---her perception is her perception and suspect she is not the first one to feel a presidential call failed to pay proper homage for a fallen soul. Its an emotional time. My guess is a recording would indicate that the phone calls tone and content was not even remotely disrespectful, but did include a verbal mispronounciation or miscue when the soldiers name was mentioned.

(10-18-2017 12:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:06 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 12:00 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  I didn't say he didn't say it. All I said was that your definitive word for word statement that, "There are no recordings." is absolutely false if the call was made from the Oval Office. The evidence might support you, or it might not.

But hey... continue the outrage without actual evidence. Do you also support guilty sentences for potential criminals with a lack of evidence and based solely on hearsay?

Clearly, if he called from the oval office there is a recording. You'll have to excuse me if I feel that the majority of things that trump says is a lie, but with this pattern and track record AND ALSO BEING A POLITICIAN, you'd be wise to feel that way.

Doesn't matter how I feel, and I don't have to prove anything about my political leanings to you. I'm just helping you to be a more informed poster. Because "Clearly" you weren't. Or you were just making things up, which for the left... isn't a stretch either. The GOP doesn't hold a monopoly on telling lies.

Lastly, I can excuse your political leanings but no... I won't excuse your ignorance if you're going to pretend to make a factual statement based on your feelings.

Hes a Democrat....a world where feelings eliminate the need for logic.

Hardly. Democrats suck.

lol...well then...all is forgiven!!

It is beyond dispute that (a) Trump took days to respond to the deaths in Niger, and (b) he falsely said Obama and other presidents didn't make calls to the families of fallen soldiers. Yes, Obama did not call General Kelly after the death of his son but Trump didn't mention that family in general in his first statement, he said "The traditional way, if you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls. I like to call when it's appropriate, when I think I'm able to do it."

Getting back to my first point, release the tape and make it link to a fundraiser for some type of fallen warrior foundation. I bet you the Johnson family would be fine with releasing the tape under those circumstances. Trump was happy to send out correspondence on the NFL anthem issue linking fundraisers to his re-election campaign. He has no problem politicizing the Anthem for his own profits; may as well do something nice for those who deserve it instead.

But it won't happen. Instead, it's just another black mark on Trump's floundering reputation with most Americans.

(10-18-2017 01:20 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  It is beyond dispute that (a) Trump took days to respond to the deaths in Niger, and (b) he falsely said Obama and other presidents didn't make calls to the families of fallen soldiers. Yes, Obama did not call General Kelly after the death of his son but Trump didn't mention that family in general in his first statement, he said "The traditional way, if you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls. I like to call when it's appropriate, when I think I'm able to do it."

Getting back to my first point, release the tape and make it link to a fundraiser for some type of fallen warrior foundation. I bet you the Johnson family would be fine with releasing the tape under those circumstances. Trump was happy to send out correspondence on the NFL anthem issue linking fundraisers to his re-election campaign. He has no problem politicizing the Anthem for his own profits; may as well do something nice for those who deserve it instead.

But it won't happen. Instead, it's just another black mark on Trump's floundering reputation with most Americans.

There you go believing the fake press again. I have read all of Trumps original statements, in context, on the subject. You and the media were wrong.

THEN, someone from Obama's administration got butthurt and called him a f'ing liar. THEN Trump laid out details that Obama didnt even call Kelley when his son was killed. NOW the left is trying to run another false narrative on Trump to cover the horrible true narrative on Obama.


Why cant you guys just admit that Obama not calling General Kelley after his son was killed "low class." I mean, damn, he could have taken 5 minutes in between the 11th & 12th hole to make a damned call to a general.

Nope. Not Obama. His time is too valuable.

Trump was golfing instead of calling the soldiers' families so spare me the drama. Trump is president now, not Obama. Sorry (and trust me America is very sorry about that fact). If you think the majority of America thinks Trump is more genuine and sincere with most Americans over Obama, you're more clueless than you'll ever know.

The congresswoman is the godmother figure to the young soldier. She is grieving about the lost as well.

(10-18-2017 01:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Trump was golfing instead of calling the soldiers' families so spare me the drama. Trump is president now, not Obama. Sorry (and trust me America is very sorry about that fact). If you think the majority of America thinks Trump is more genuine and sincere with most Americans over Obama, you're more clueless than you'll ever know.

If he can golf and defeat ISIS and the Caliphate, get the market to 23K, get a conservative judge on the bench, kill the EPA regulations, and about 4 dozen other highly important items, then I want him to golf as much as he can.


Funny how you guys will lap up fake news on Trump, but give Obama a pass for being an extreme douchebag by not calling Kelley.

It's being reported on twitter that Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that there is no recording of the call.

Trying to verify, but if true, imagine that. trump lied again.

(10-18-2017 01:49 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 01:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Trump was golfing instead of calling the soldiers' families so spare me the drama. Trump is president now, not Obama. Sorry (and trust me America is very sorry about that fact). If you think the majority of America thinks Trump is more genuine and sincere with most Americans over Obama, you're more clueless than you'll ever know.

If he can golf and defeat ISIS and the Caliphate, get the market to 23K, get a conservative judge on the bench, kill the EPA regulations, and about 4 dozen other highly important items, then I want him to golf as much as he can.


Funny how you guys will lap up fake news on Trump, but give Obama a pass for being an extreme douchebag by not calling Kelley.

I let it slide the first time, but it's Kelly.

And I don't expect the president, regardless of party, to call the family of every service member killed in action.

And if you remember, the issue with the Niger attack was NEVER that he had not called or written the families, it was that he did not even mention them at all in any forum for nearly two weeks! Not even the standard "thoughts and prayers" line.

Additionally, he's still not spoken as to why they were there, what they were doing, if they were adequately protected, and whether those still there have received any additional protection.

(10-18-2017 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's being reported on twitter that Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that there is no recording of the call.

Trying to verify, but if true, imagine that. trump lied again.

If this happened over a cell phone, contact the NSA and get the audio recording.
Otherwise this is a he said / she said issue.

(10-18-2017 01:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Trump was golfing instead of calling the soldiers' families so spare me the drama. Trump is president now, not Obama. Sorry (and trust me America is very sorry about that fact). If you think the majority of America thinks Trump is more genuine and sincere with most Americans over Obama, you're more clueless than you'll ever know.

Genuine and sincere are not words that I would use to describe Obama or Trump.

(10-18-2017 12:32 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  This has got to be the dumbest thing ever but this is all the media is talking about. Let’s suppose for the moment Trump actually said what is alleged, that Johnson knew what he was signing up for. That’s a scandal? And of course, we’re getting what was said from a Dem who hates him, who didn’t hear the full conversation or the context of what was said, by her own admission. Meanwhile, over behind this curtain, the FBI had evidence that the Clintons were given millions by the Russians but let the uranium deal go through anyway.

Just adds to the Trump douchebag legend. 40+ years strong!

(10-18-2017 02:07 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-18-2017 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's being reported on twitter that Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that there is no recording of the call.

Trying to verify, but if true, imagine that. trump lied again.

If this happened over a cell phone, contact the NSA and get the audio recording.
Otherwise this is a he said / she said issue.

Of course, but again, can any right winger not imagine trump saying exactly what the mother and congresswoman reported he said? C'mon people...it's not a stretch at all. That's just classic trump.

And again, it's quite possible that the mother just took his words wrong, but as a grieving mother, I don't think any of us should be telling her how she should react and feel.

This is why those apologies where someone says "apologies if I offended anybody" are so hollow. If the person feels offended, they were! Not that I expect trump to ever apologize. See McCain, Obama, Khan, et. al.