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(10-10-2017 12:07 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  Some of us are doing all we can to bail the coaches out. Players do not make half time (or in game) adjustments to the game plan, coaches do that. I saw no adjustments by our coaches. I saw the same vanilla 4-2-5 defense. No changes in position of the safeties or nickel back (or whatever you prefer to call him). Our coaches had 2 weeks to prepare. They knew we were not playing a traditional pass happy spread offense, but they positioned our players like we were playing one. FAU almost refused to pass the ball and our coaches did not adjust our scheme. This is one or the worst coaching performances I have seen. Most dissapointing was BW blaming it all on tackling and not taking responsibility as our head coach.

How is it the coaches fault when a 210 lb running back drags 6 defensive players 10 yds before they can get him on the ground? How is it the coaches fault when the QB can score 4 TD's in the red zone without being touched? Bottom line is it isn't the coaches on the field its the players and they are not good!

(10-10-2017 01:11 PM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:07 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  Some of us are doing all we can to bail the coaches out. Players do not make half time (or in game) adjustments to the game plan, coaches do that. I saw no adjustments by our coaches. I saw the same vanilla 4-2-5 defense. No changes in position of the safeties or nickel back (or whatever you prefer to call him). Our coaches had 2 weeks to prepare. They knew we were not playing a traditional pass happy spread offense, but they positioned our players like we were playing one. FAU almost refused to pass the ball and our coaches did not adjust our scheme. This is one or the worst coaching performances I have seen. Most dissapointing was BW blaming it all on tackling and not taking responsibility as our head coach.

How is it the coaches fault when a 210 lb running back drags 6 defensive players 10 yds before they can get him on the ground? How is it the coaches fault when the QB can score 4 TD's in the red zone without being touched? Bottom line is it isn't the coaches on the field its the players and they are not good!

It is the coaches fault when they are not teaching or recruiting fundamentals. It is certainly the coaches fault when our players are not positioned properly and players go untouched.
We must remember these coaches are not teeenagers and they are not making minimum wage. We can justifiably hold them to a higher standard.

(10-10-2017 03:26 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:11 PM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:07 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  Some of us are doing all we can to bail the coaches out. Players do not make half time (or in game) adjustments to the game plan, coaches do that. I saw no adjustments by our coaches. I saw the same vanilla 4-2-5 defense. No changes in position of the safeties or nickel back (or whatever you prefer to call him). Our coaches had 2 weeks to prepare. They knew we were not playing a traditional pass happy spread offense, but they positioned our players like we were playing one. FAU almost refused to pass the ball and our coaches did not adjust our scheme. This is one or the worst coaching performances I have seen. Most dissapointing was BW blaming it all on tackling and not taking responsibility as our head coach.

How is it the coaches fault when a 210 lb running back drags 6 defensive players 10 yds before they can get him on the ground? How is it the coaches fault when the QB can score 4 TD's in the red zone without being touched? Bottom line is it isn't the coaches on the field its the players and they are not good!

It is the coaches fault when they are not teaching or recruiting fundamentals. It is certainly the coaches fault when our players are not positioned properly and players go untouched.
We must remember these coaches are not teeenagers and they are not making minimum wage. We can justifiably hold them to a higher standard.

How about holding the players accountable!!! Either they are not capable of doing what they are being told to do or they just aren't good enough to play at this level. Now if you want to point the finger of blame at the coaches then do it because they are not recruiting better quality players. If we can't get better players then we need to quit fooling ourselves and stop scheduling the UNC's (hell we can't compete in the conference we're in!) and start scheduling the Elon's and Elizabeth City State's to be competitive.

Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

(10-11-2017 07:19 AM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 03:26 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:11 PM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:07 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  Some of us are doing all we can to bail the coaches out. Players do not make half time (or in game) adjustments to the game plan, coaches do that. I saw no adjustments by our coaches. I saw the same vanilla 4-2-5 defense. No changes in position of the safeties or nickel back (or whatever you prefer to call him). Our coaches had 2 weeks to prepare. They knew we were not playing a traditional pass happy spread offense, but they positioned our players like we were playing one. FAU almost refused to pass the ball and our coaches did not adjust our scheme. This is one or the worst coaching performances I have seen. Most dissapointing was BW blaming it all on tackling and not taking responsibility as our head coach.

How is it the coaches fault when a 210 lb running back drags 6 defensive players 10 yds before they can get him on the ground? How is it the coaches fault when the QB can score 4 TD's in the red zone without being touched? Bottom line is it isn't the coaches on the field its the players and they are not good!

It is the coaches fault when they are not teaching or recruiting fundamentals. It is certainly the coaches fault when our players are not positioned properly and players go untouched.
We must remember these coaches are not teeenagers and they are not making minimum wage. We can justifiably hold them to a higher standard.

How about holding the players accountable!!! Either they are not capable of doing what they are being told to do or they just aren't good enough to play at this level. Now if you want to point the finger of blame at the coaches then do it because they are not recruiting better quality players. If we can't get better players then we need to quit fooling ourselves and stop scheduling the UNC's (hell we can't compete in the conference we're in!) and start scheduling the Elon's and Elizabeth City State's to be competitive.

What can you not understand about this? The players are the coaches responsibility. The coaches recruited them. Please give it a rest.

(10-11-2017 07:19 AM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 03:26 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 01:11 PM)Spantheman34 Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 12:07 PM)ODU FrontRunner Wrote:  Some of us are doing all we can to bail the coaches out. Players do not make half time (or in game) adjustments to the game plan, coaches do that. I saw no adjustments by our coaches. I saw the same vanilla 4-2-5 defense. No changes in position of the safeties or nickel back (or whatever you prefer to call him). Our coaches had 2 weeks to prepare. They knew we were not playing a traditional pass happy spread offense, but they positioned our players like we were playing one. FAU almost refused to pass the ball and our coaches did not adjust our scheme. This is one or the worst coaching performances I have seen. Most dissapointing was BW blaming it all on tackling and not taking responsibility as our head coach.

How is it the coaches fault when a 210 lb running back drags 6 defensive players 10 yds before they can get him on the ground? How is it the coaches fault when the QB can score 4 TD's in the red zone without being touched? Bottom line is it isn't the coaches on the field its the players and they are not good!

It is the coaches fault when they are not teaching or recruiting fundamentals. It is certainly the coaches fault when our players are not positioned properly and players go untouched.
We must remember these coaches are not teeenagers and they are not making minimum wage. We can justifiably hold them to a higher standard.

How about holding the players accountable!!! Either they are not capable of doing what they are being told to do or they just aren't good enough to play at this level. Now if you want to point the finger of blame at the coaches then do it because they are not recruiting better quality players. If we can't get better players then we need to quit fooling ourselves and stop scheduling the UNC's (hell we can't compete in the conference we're in!) and start scheduling the Elon's and Elizabeth City State's to be competitive.

I agree with you, but I coaches are supposed to put their players in a position to have success, ours did not last Saturday because the DC made no discernable changes to stop FAU. That is totally on the coach.

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

I noticed that as well, I felt like they were guarding them like he was going deep every but they were actually running every play. Not really sure what was going on with that. Another example of coaching issues

(10-11-2017 08:42 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

I noticed that as well, I felt like they were guarding them like he was going deep every but they were actually running every play. Not really sure what was going on with that. Another example of coaching issues

Bend but don't break is a common practice in the NCAA. With such high powered offenses, coaches are doing everything they can to wait on:

Penalties
Sacks
Turnovers
Field Goals
Drops

If you think about it...it makes a lot of sense.

Edit: You have to tackle to make it work.

(10-11-2017 09:00 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:42 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

I noticed that as well, I felt like they were guarding them like he was going deep every but they were actually running every play. Not really sure what was going on with that. Another example of coaching issues

Bend but don't break is a common practice in the NCAA. With such high powered offenses, coaches are doing everything they can to wait on:

Penalties
Sacks
Turnovers
Field Goals
Drops

If you think about it...it makes a lot of sense.

Well they defiantly broke us, smh. Its just a sign of a defense that is not aggressive and sits back and waits for things to happen. Especially on the 3rd and longs. That was literally the worst 3rd down defense I have ever seen in my life. Im surprised BW didnt go over and strangle Nagy on the sideline.

(10-11-2017 09:02 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 09:00 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:42 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

I noticed that as well, I felt like they were guarding them like he was going deep every but they were actually running every play. Not really sure what was going on with that. Another example of coaching issues

Bend but don't break is a common practice in the NCAA. With such high powered offenses, coaches are doing everything they can to wait on:

Penalties
Sacks
Turnovers
Field Goals
Drops

If you think about it...it makes a lot of sense.

Well they defiantly broke us, smh. Its just a sign of a defense that is not aggressive and sits back and waits for things to happen. Especially on the 3rd and longs. That was literally the worst 3rd down defense I have ever seen in my life. Im surprised BW didnt go over and strangle Nagy on the sideline.

Yea...I am just telling you the thought process behind "bend but don't break".

We played a 4-2-5 (nickel) defense. That defense was originally designed as a situational package, used as a deep pass "prevent", but has become more popular as a base defense with the rise of the multiple WR receiver spread offenses.

The problem here is that, without modification (moving players, usually safeties, into the box), it is not well suited to a good running offense.
The initial scheme vs FAU was just wrong, and there was little adjustment.
That is on the coaches.

Let's start with the DLine.
Big strong and fast. Great at pass rushing and stopping the inside run.
However, Saturday vs FAU showed them to be less effective on runs outside the tackles, missing gap coverage and often over pursuing.
Both of those issues are about practice and repetitions which after a time create the discipline for the players to react properly to a given situation.
That is on the coaches

Once the running back has gotten past the line of scrimmage, in our scheme, there was usually a lone LB left to stop the play for short yards. Our LBs are athletic but young and inexperienced. Often they, like the DL, over pursued, and like the DL had to try and stretch back and get the ball carrier. The only way possible at that point to make the tackle is off balance with just the arms.
That is partially on the LBs, but the linebacker position, of all defensive positions, requires experience, and we don't yet have that. In any event, very few LBs can win a one-on-one with a stud RB in the open filed.
That the LB was consistently put in that positions is again the scheme, and on the coaches.

Once the RB is past the LB, he then has to get through a safety. Once again, a stud running back will win the one-one-one almost every time, as an off balance safety is juked into committing and then has an off balance arm tackle as his only option.
Again the scheme was a major factor, and that is on the coaches.

Additionally, the LB and DL pursuit by our defense left the middle wide open, allowing for Driskel to run, virtually untouched. No adjustment was made the entire game. Indeed based non his history from last season, and the FAU running scheme in general, that should have been addressed during the bye.
That is on the coaches.

We have a good pass defense and a good inside rush defense. However, we looked completely lost vs a running attack that went outside the tackles. We had a bye week to prepare for that, FAU's scheme was well known even to the fans, and we came out in our base nickel pass defense, and stayed with it w/o adjustment.
That is all on the coaches

(10-11-2017 08:42 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

I noticed that as well, I felt like they were guarding them like he was going deep every but they were actually running every play. Not really sure what was going on with that. Another example of coaching issues

Playing off the LOs does not mean a prevent defense. It is used bc we played a lot of cover 2 shell or zone variations as opposed to man.

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

So that they can tackle the RB after he gains 20 yards.

As a former defensive player that game was so hard to watch on Saturday. That might've been the worse tackling display since the game @ WKU my sophomore year

(10-11-2017 10:29 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:42 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 08:05 AM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can anyone explain why our corners are constantly 10 yards off the line of scrimmage?

I noticed that as well, I felt like they were guarding them like he was going deep every but they were actually running every play. Not really sure what was going on with that. Another example of coaching issues

Playing off the LOs does not mean a prevent defense. It is used bc we played a lot of cover 2 shell or zone variations as opposed to man.

Which is a defense best suited to prevent the medium to long big-play pass and/or allow for the CBs to be aggressive enough to get INTs. It is nonetheless first and foremost a pass defense.

In fact the greatest weaknesses in the cover 2 are
1.The best defensive back against the run (usually the strong safety) is asked to play far from the line of scrimmage, limiting his ability to help on running plays.
2. The TE ia often open for good medium gains
3. Without a spy, a running QB can have a field day.

Sound familiar?

At some point you have to come off that scheme and make them pass.

EDIT: I would have thought that with our athletes, against a run-first team, there would be enough confidence in our CBs that we would have gone man and stacked the box every play. That would have had the added advantage of containing the QB and limiting the TEs effectiveness somewhat.

(10-10-2017 09:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:25 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I lifted this quote from an Ed Miller piece this morning. It's Kiffen explaining his QB runs up the middle.

Owls' coach Lane Kiffin said the Monarchs' defensive ends were playing wide, to take away the running back on read option plays. That left plenty of real estate for Driskel up the gut.

Based on this, how can Wilder honestly say the D was schemed properly? Why didn't the linebackers play up? Poor tackling had nothing to do with the QB runs I saw. Nobody ever laid a hand on him!!!
Out coached, badly.

The fact of the matter is that everybody is to blame. There are times we could have schemed better and times we could have tackled better. However, poor tackling directly led to probably 200+ yards on the ground.

Here are some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZHMVQzwsA

at 1:16. This should be a 1-2 yard gain at best. Missed tackles by 32 and 25 turn this from that to an 18 yard gain.

at 1:35. 37 should have a tackle here. The end has the RB and all 37 has to do is make the tackle.

at 2:18. Three guys basically in 1 gap leaves the RB a free lane to end zone. We cannot have our 2 DTs pushed out of the way.

at 3:13. 3rd and 2; we have 9 guys within 4 yards of the LOS. We have two guys setting the edge the right side, leaving a safety on the guard for an easy gain. Still, should have been a 4-5 yard gain, but 32 is slow to get there and misses tackle. 20 just takes a bad angle and completely whiffs. 15 yard carry instead of 3-5.

at 4:14. 3rd and 16 and we have 8 guys within 5 yards of LOS. They have 5 OL and we have 6 guys to defend...should be easy. Both ends pushed out of play. Still, 25 has an easy chance to come up and tackle for a 5 yard gain. Comes up too fast and gets completely juked.

at 4:31 3rd and 7. 10 guys within 6 yards of LOS. Ends play it well. LBs have to shed blocks here and get the QB. Still has a chance to stop for 6-8 yards, but 20 and 3 get completely run past for an additional 30 yards and a TD.

at 5:39 3rd and goal from the 7. 7 man box vs. 5 OL. Wasn't played badly at the point of attack. 37 goes out to defend a WR screen from some reason. 31 still has a chance to maintain gap and make tackle. 20 has a chance to crash down, but doesn't recognize play. 25 may have made the tackle, but runs into the official.

at 6:06....3rd and 3. 10 guys within 5 yards of LOS. Not terrible at the point of attack, but 37 doesn't maintain gap and gets lost outside. 32 has to shed block, but he really was held here. 20 has to make tackle for 2-4 yard gain.

at 6:54. 3rd and 3. 6 guys in box vs. 5 OL. DEs play it well. DTs get pushed out of the way too easily and OL can reach 2nd level. 45 can make tackle, but doesn't shed block. 20 comes in out of position and too slow to make tackle. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain at best.

at 7:36. 8 men in box on 1st and 10. DTs just can't maintain gap responsibility.


I'm not going to sit and argue our schemes are perfect. However, the guys, particularly the safeties have to come up and make tackles. When you play the 4-2-5, the extra defensive back has to make tackles and that is something we really struggled with. FAU has some great running backs so they are going to make some plays, but there is still no excuse for our guys not being able to come up and tackle Driskell. On top of that, our DTs not named Fox got pushed around way too easily. They need to do a better job of not trying to make every tackle and to keep the OL off the LBers. LBs need to do a better job of shedding blocks and making tackles. Secondary needs to take better angles to the runners and actually tackle.

@ 2:18 they run a blitz with 37 coming off the outside and the DLine stunting to the left. 32 slides to where the blitz is coming from hoping that all the Dlinemen makes it to their gaps but the RE never crosses the LT's face. If the DE crosses the tackle the RB would most likely cut to the outside between the H-back and the LT and 32 should make the tackle there

@ 4:14 the NT got reached by the center and that should never happen because now 32 has 2 gaps in front of him. If the NT never gets reached the RB would have to cutback to the backside A gap where 37 may make the tackle it'll still be may be about a 8-10 yard gain but not a 1st down

@ 4:31 on power reads the backside LB (#32) has to see the pulling guard and get overtop of that tackle coming to block him

@ 5:39 this is like the same blitz @2:18 but 37 is the seam/curl defender on that side but should just slide over a couple steps not full out run to the WRs because he should be playing the run first

@ 6:06 37 isn't wrong here. FAU runs a read option. The DE takes the dive and the LB takes the QB. The LBs are also taught to key the H-back since the H-back came back and cut/kick out the DE, 32 should rock back and fit in that gap

@ 6:54 same as @4:31 45 made the right fit the backside LB(#43) has to get overtop when he sees the guard pull

they just need to clean up the mistakes and make tackles

I know all this because I played this defense for 3 years

(10-11-2017 12:29 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:25 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I lifted this quote from an Ed Miller piece this morning. It's Kiffen explaining his QB runs up the middle.

Owls' coach Lane Kiffin said the Monarchs' defensive ends were playing wide, to take away the running back on read option plays. That left plenty of real estate for Driskel up the gut.

Based on this, how can Wilder honestly say the D was schemed properly? Why didn't the linebackers play up? Poor tackling had nothing to do with the QB runs I saw. Nobody ever laid a hand on him!!!
Out coached, badly.

The fact of the matter is that everybody is to blame. There are times we could have schemed better and times we could have tackled better. However, poor tackling directly led to probably 200+ yards on the ground.

Here are some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZHMVQzwsA

at 1:16. This should be a 1-2 yard gain at best. Missed tackles by 32 and 25 turn this from that to an 18 yard gain.

at 1:35. 37 should have a tackle here. The end has the RB and all 37 has to do is make the tackle.

at 2:18. Three guys basically in 1 gap leaves the RB a free lane to end zone. We cannot have our 2 DTs pushed out of the way.

at 3:13. 3rd and 2; we have 9 guys within 4 yards of the LOS. We have two guys setting the edge the right side, leaving a safety on the guard for an easy gain. Still, should have been a 4-5 yard gain, but 32 is slow to get there and misses tackle. 20 just takes a bad angle and completely whiffs. 15 yard carry instead of 3-5.

at 4:14. 3rd and 16 and we have 8 guys within 5 yards of LOS. They have 5 OL and we have 6 guys to defend...should be easy. Both ends pushed out of play. Still, 25 has an easy chance to come up and tackle for a 5 yard gain. Comes up too fast and gets completely juked.

at 4:31 3rd and 7. 10 guys within 6 yards of LOS. Ends play it well. LBs have to shed blocks here and get the QB. Still has a chance to stop for 6-8 yards, but 20 and 3 get completely run past for an additional 30 yards and a TD.

at 5:39 3rd and goal from the 7. 7 man box vs. 5 OL. Wasn't played badly at the point of attack. 37 goes out to defend a WR screen from some reason. 31 still has a chance to maintain gap and make tackle. 20 has a chance to crash down, but doesn't recognize play. 25 may have made the tackle, but runs into the official.

at 6:06....3rd and 3. 10 guys within 5 yards of LOS. Not terrible at the point of attack, but 37 doesn't maintain gap and gets lost outside. 32 has to shed block, but he really was held here. 20 has to make tackle for 2-4 yard gain.

at 6:54. 3rd and 3. 6 guys in box vs. 5 OL. DEs play it well. DTs get pushed out of the way too easily and OL can reach 2nd level. 45 can make tackle, but doesn't shed block. 20 comes in out of position and too slow to make tackle. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain at best.

at 7:36. 8 men in box on 1st and 10. DTs just can't maintain gap responsibility.


I'm not going to sit and argue our schemes are perfect. However, the guys, particularly the safeties have to come up and make tackles. When you play the 4-2-5, the extra defensive back has to make tackles and that is something we really struggled with. FAU has some great running backs so they are going to make some plays, but there is still no excuse for our guys not being able to come up and tackle Driskell. On top of that, our DTs not named Fox got pushed around way too easily. They need to do a better job of not trying to make every tackle and to keep the OL off the LBers. LBs need to do a better job of shedding blocks and making tackles. Secondary needs to take better angles to the runners and actually tackle.

@ 2:18 they run a blitz with 37 coming off the outside and the DLine stunting to the left. 32 slides to where the blitz is coming from hoping that all the Dlinemen makes it to their gaps but the RE never crosses the LT's face. If the DE crosses the tackle the RB would most likely cut to the outside between the H-back and the LT and 32 should make the tackle there

@ 4:14 the NT got reached by the center and that should never happen because now 32 has 2 gaps in front of him. If the NT never gets reached the RB would have to cutback to the backside A gap where 37 may make the tackle it'll still be may be about a 8-10 yard gain but not a 1st down

@ 4:31 on power reads the backside LB (#32) has to see the pulling guard and get overtop of that tackle coming to block him

@ 5:39 this is like the same blitz @2:18 but 37 is the seam/curl defender on that side but should just slide over a couple steps not full out run to the WRs because he should be playing the run first

@ 6:06 37 isn't wrong here. FAU runs a read option. The DE takes the dive and the LB takes the QB. The LBs are also taught to key the H-back since the H-back came back and cut/kick out the DE, 32 should rock back and fit in that gap

@ 6:54 same as @4:31 45 made the right fit the backside LB(#43) has to get overtop when he sees the guard pull

they just need to clean up the mistakes and make tackles

I know all this because I played this defense for 3 years

Thanks for the additional comments. Really enjoy the feedback. Please post more defensive analysis when possible!

What do you think were the biggest issues on Saturday?

(10-11-2017 02:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:29 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:25 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I lifted this quote from an Ed Miller piece this morning. It's Kiffen explaining his QB runs up the middle.

Owls' coach Lane Kiffin said the Monarchs' defensive ends were playing wide, to take away the running back on read option plays. That left plenty of real estate for Driskel up the gut.

Based on this, how can Wilder honestly say the D was schemed properly? Why didn't the linebackers play up? Poor tackling had nothing to do with the QB runs I saw. Nobody ever laid a hand on him!!!
Out coached, badly.

The fact of the matter is that everybody is to blame. There are times we could have schemed better and times we could have tackled better. However, poor tackling directly led to probably 200+ yards on the ground.

Here are some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZHMVQzwsA

at 1:16. This should be a 1-2 yard gain at best. Missed tackles by 32 and 25 turn this from that to an 18 yard gain.

at 1:35. 37 should have a tackle here. The end has the RB and all 37 has to do is make the tackle.

at 2:18. Three guys basically in 1 gap leaves the RB a free lane to end zone. We cannot have our 2 DTs pushed out of the way.

at 3:13. 3rd and 2; we have 9 guys within 4 yards of the LOS. We have two guys setting the edge the right side, leaving a safety on the guard for an easy gain. Still, should have been a 4-5 yard gain, but 32 is slow to get there and misses tackle. 20 just takes a bad angle and completely whiffs. 15 yard carry instead of 3-5.

at 4:14. 3rd and 16 and we have 8 guys within 5 yards of LOS. They have 5 OL and we have 6 guys to defend...should be easy. Both ends pushed out of play. Still, 25 has an easy chance to come up and tackle for a 5 yard gain. Comes up too fast and gets completely juked.

at 4:31 3rd and 7. 10 guys within 6 yards of LOS. Ends play it well. LBs have to shed blocks here and get the QB. Still has a chance to stop for 6-8 yards, but 20 and 3 get completely run past for an additional 30 yards and a TD.

at 5:39 3rd and goal from the 7. 7 man box vs. 5 OL. Wasn't played badly at the point of attack. 37 goes out to defend a WR screen from some reason. 31 still has a chance to maintain gap and make tackle. 20 has a chance to crash down, but doesn't recognize play. 25 may have made the tackle, but runs into the official.

at 6:06....3rd and 3. 10 guys within 5 yards of LOS. Not terrible at the point of attack, but 37 doesn't maintain gap and gets lost outside. 32 has to shed block, but he really was held here. 20 has to make tackle for 2-4 yard gain.

at 6:54. 3rd and 3. 6 guys in box vs. 5 OL. DEs play it well. DTs get pushed out of the way too easily and OL can reach 2nd level. 45 can make tackle, but doesn't shed block. 20 comes in out of position and too slow to make tackle. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain at best.

at 7:36. 8 men in box on 1st and 10. DTs just can't maintain gap responsibility.


I'm not going to sit and argue our schemes are perfect. However, the guys, particularly the safeties have to come up and make tackles. When you play the 4-2-5, the extra defensive back has to make tackles and that is something we really struggled with. FAU has some great running backs so they are going to make some plays, but there is still no excuse for our guys not being able to come up and tackle Driskell. On top of that, our DTs not named Fox got pushed around way too easily. They need to do a better job of not trying to make every tackle and to keep the OL off the LBers. LBs need to do a better job of shedding blocks and making tackles. Secondary needs to take better angles to the runners and actually tackle.

@ 2:18 they run a blitz with 37 coming off the outside and the DLine stunting to the left. 32 slides to where the blitz is coming from hoping that all the Dlinemen makes it to their gaps but the RE never crosses the LT's face. If the DE crosses the tackle the RB would most likely cut to the outside between the H-back and the LT and 32 should make the tackle there

@ 4:14 the NT got reached by the center and that should never happen because now 32 has 2 gaps in front of him. If the NT never gets reached the RB would have to cutback to the backside A gap where 37 may make the tackle it'll still be may be about a 8-10 yard gain but not a 1st down

@ 4:31 on power reads the backside LB (#32) has to see the pulling guard and get overtop of that tackle coming to block him

@ 5:39 this is like the same blitz @2:18 but 37 is the seam/curl defender on that side but should just slide over a couple steps not full out run to the WRs because he should be playing the run first

@ 6:06 37 isn't wrong here. FAU runs a read option. The DE takes the dive and the LB takes the QB. The LBs are also taught to key the H-back since the H-back came back and cut/kick out the DE, 32 should rock back and fit in that gap

@ 6:54 same as @4:31 45 made the right fit the backside LB(#43) has to get overtop when he sees the guard pull

they just need to clean up the mistakes and make tackles

I know all this because I played this defense for 3 years

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What do you think were the biggest issues on Saturday?

Biggest issues were tackling and not reading and reacting to keys well. And I thought coach nagy would make the adjustment on the power read and play it like we did last year against Southern Miss

(10-11-2017 02:40 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 02:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:29 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 10:25 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I lifted this quote from an Ed Miller piece this morning. It's Kiffen explaining his QB runs up the middle.

Owls' coach Lane Kiffin said the Monarchs' defensive ends were playing wide, to take away the running back on read option plays. That left plenty of real estate for Driskel up the gut.

Based on this, how can Wilder honestly say the D was schemed properly? Why didn't the linebackers play up? Poor tackling had nothing to do with the QB runs I saw. Nobody ever laid a hand on him!!!
Out coached, badly.

The fact of the matter is that everybody is to blame. There are times we could have schemed better and times we could have tackled better. However, poor tackling directly led to probably 200+ yards on the ground.

Here are some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZHMVQzwsA

at 1:16. This should be a 1-2 yard gain at best. Missed tackles by 32 and 25 turn this from that to an 18 yard gain.

at 1:35. 37 should have a tackle here. The end has the RB and all 37 has to do is make the tackle.

at 2:18. Three guys basically in 1 gap leaves the RB a free lane to end zone. We cannot have our 2 DTs pushed out of the way.

at 3:13. 3rd and 2; we have 9 guys within 4 yards of the LOS. We have two guys setting the edge the right side, leaving a safety on the guard for an easy gain. Still, should have been a 4-5 yard gain, but 32 is slow to get there and misses tackle. 20 just takes a bad angle and completely whiffs. 15 yard carry instead of 3-5.

at 4:14. 3rd and 16 and we have 8 guys within 5 yards of LOS. They have 5 OL and we have 6 guys to defend...should be easy. Both ends pushed out of play. Still, 25 has an easy chance to come up and tackle for a 5 yard gain. Comes up too fast and gets completely juked.

at 4:31 3rd and 7. 10 guys within 6 yards of LOS. Ends play it well. LBs have to shed blocks here and get the QB. Still has a chance to stop for 6-8 yards, but 20 and 3 get completely run past for an additional 30 yards and a TD.

at 5:39 3rd and goal from the 7. 7 man box vs. 5 OL. Wasn't played badly at the point of attack. 37 goes out to defend a WR screen from some reason. 31 still has a chance to maintain gap and make tackle. 20 has a chance to crash down, but doesn't recognize play. 25 may have made the tackle, but runs into the official.

at 6:06....3rd and 3. 10 guys within 5 yards of LOS. Not terrible at the point of attack, but 37 doesn't maintain gap and gets lost outside. 32 has to shed block, but he really was held here. 20 has to make tackle for 2-4 yard gain.

at 6:54. 3rd and 3. 6 guys in box vs. 5 OL. DEs play it well. DTs get pushed out of the way too easily and OL can reach 2nd level. 45 can make tackle, but doesn't shed block. 20 comes in out of position and too slow to make tackle. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain at best.

at 7:36. 8 men in box on 1st and 10. DTs just can't maintain gap responsibility.


I'm not going to sit and argue our schemes are perfect. However, the guys, particularly the safeties have to come up and make tackles. When you play the 4-2-5, the extra defensive back has to make tackles and that is something we really struggled with. FAU has some great running backs so they are going to make some plays, but there is still no excuse for our guys not being able to come up and tackle Driskell. On top of that, our DTs not named Fox got pushed around way too easily. They need to do a better job of not trying to make every tackle and to keep the OL off the LBers. LBs need to do a better job of shedding blocks and making tackles. Secondary needs to take better angles to the runners and actually tackle.

@ 2:18 they run a blitz with 37 coming off the outside and the DLine stunting to the left. 32 slides to where the blitz is coming from hoping that all the Dlinemen makes it to their gaps but the RE never crosses the LT's face. If the DE crosses the tackle the RB would most likely cut to the outside between the H-back and the LT and 32 should make the tackle there

@ 4:14 the NT got reached by the center and that should never happen because now 32 has 2 gaps in front of him. If the NT never gets reached the RB would have to cutback to the backside A gap where 37 may make the tackle it'll still be may be about a 8-10 yard gain but not a 1st down

@ 4:31 on power reads the backside LB (#32) has to see the pulling guard and get overtop of that tackle coming to block him

@ 5:39 this is like the same blitz @2:18 but 37 is the seam/curl defender on that side but should just slide over a couple steps not full out run to the WRs because he should be playing the run first

@ 6:06 37 isn't wrong here. FAU runs a read option. The DE takes the dive and the LB takes the QB. The LBs are also taught to key the H-back since the H-back came back and cut/kick out the DE, 32 should rock back and fit in that gap

@ 6:54 same as @4:31 45 made the right fit the backside LB(#43) has to get overtop when he sees the guard pull

they just need to clean up the mistakes and make tackles

I know all this because I played this defense for 3 years

Thanks for the additional comments. Really enjoy the feedback. Please post more defensive analysis when possible!

What do you think were the biggest issues on Saturday?

Biggest issues were tackling and not reading and reacting to keys well. And I thought coach nagy would make the adjustment on the power read and play it like we did last year against Southern Miss

What were the adjustments vs. Southern Miss/How did we play it? I guess the glaring difference I could see is Howard could not throw the ball vs. well. Driskell isn't great, but certainly a step up from first start version of Howard.

(10-11-2017 02:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 02:40 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 02:13 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-11-2017 12:29 PM)ODUFBFan Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 09:50 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The fact of the matter is that everybody is to blame. There are times we could have schemed better and times we could have tackled better. However, poor tackling directly led to probably 200+ yards on the ground.

Here are some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZHMVQzwsA

at 1:16. This should be a 1-2 yard gain at best. Missed tackles by 32 and 25 turn this from that to an 18 yard gain.

at 1:35. 37 should have a tackle here. The end has the RB and all 37 has to do is make the tackle.

at 2:18. Three guys basically in 1 gap leaves the RB a free lane to end zone. We cannot have our 2 DTs pushed out of the way.

at 3:13. 3rd and 2; we have 9 guys within 4 yards of the LOS. We have two guys setting the edge the right side, leaving a safety on the guard for an easy gain. Still, should have been a 4-5 yard gain, but 32 is slow to get there and misses tackle. 20 just takes a bad angle and completely whiffs. 15 yard carry instead of 3-5.

at 4:14. 3rd and 16 and we have 8 guys within 5 yards of LOS. They have 5 OL and we have 6 guys to defend...should be easy. Both ends pushed out of play. Still, 25 has an easy chance to come up and tackle for a 5 yard gain. Comes up too fast and gets completely juked.

at 4:31 3rd and 7. 10 guys within 6 yards of LOS. Ends play it well. LBs have to shed blocks here and get the QB. Still has a chance to stop for 6-8 yards, but 20 and 3 get completely run past for an additional 30 yards and a TD.

at 5:39 3rd and goal from the 7. 7 man box vs. 5 OL. Wasn't played badly at the point of attack. 37 goes out to defend a WR screen from some reason. 31 still has a chance to maintain gap and make tackle. 20 has a chance to crash down, but doesn't recognize play. 25 may have made the tackle, but runs into the official.

at 6:06....3rd and 3. 10 guys within 5 yards of LOS. Not terrible at the point of attack, but 37 doesn't maintain gap and gets lost outside. 32 has to shed block, but he really was held here. 20 has to make tackle for 2-4 yard gain.

at 6:54. 3rd and 3. 6 guys in box vs. 5 OL. DEs play it well. DTs get pushed out of the way too easily and OL can reach 2nd level. 45 can make tackle, but doesn't shed block. 20 comes in out of position and too slow to make tackle. Should have been a 3-5 yard gain at best.

at 7:36. 8 men in box on 1st and 10. DTs just can't maintain gap responsibility.


I'm not going to sit and argue our schemes are perfect. However, the guys, particularly the safeties have to come up and make tackles. When you play the 4-2-5, the extra defensive back has to make tackles and that is something we really struggled with. FAU has some great running backs so they are going to make some plays, but there is still no excuse for our guys not being able to come up and tackle Driskell. On top of that, our DTs not named Fox got pushed around way too easily. They need to do a better job of not trying to make every tackle and to keep the OL off the LBers. LBs need to do a better job of shedding blocks and making tackles. Secondary needs to take better angles to the runners and actually tackle.

@ 2:18 they run a blitz with 37 coming off the outside and the DLine stunting to the left. 32 slides to where the blitz is coming from hoping that all the Dlinemen makes it to their gaps but the RE never crosses the LT's face. If the DE crosses the tackle the RB would most likely cut to the outside between the H-back and the LT and 32 should make the tackle there

@ 4:14 the NT got reached by the center and that should never happen because now 32 has 2 gaps in front of him. If the NT never gets reached the RB would have to cutback to the backside A gap where 37 may make the tackle it'll still be may be about a 8-10 yard gain but not a 1st down

@ 4:31 on power reads the backside LB (#32) has to see the pulling guard and get overtop of that tackle coming to block him

@ 5:39 this is like the same blitz @2:18 but 37 is the seam/curl defender on that side but should just slide over a couple steps not full out run to the WRs because he should be playing the run first

@ 6:06 37 isn't wrong here. FAU runs a read option. The DE takes the dive and the LB takes the QB. The LBs are also taught to key the H-back since the H-back came back and cut/kick out the DE, 32 should rock back and fit in that gap

@ 6:54 same as @4:31 45 made the right fit the backside LB(#43) has to get overtop when he sees the guard pull

they just need to clean up the mistakes and make tackles

I know all this because I played this defense for 3 years

Thanks for the additional comments. Really enjoy the feedback. Please post more defensive analysis when possible!

What do you think were the biggest issues on Saturday?

Biggest issues were tackling and not reading and reacting to keys well. And I thought coach nagy would make the adjustment on the power read and play it like we did last year against Southern Miss

What were the adjustments vs. Southern Miss/How did we play it? I guess the glaring difference I could see is Howard could not throw the ball vs. well. Driskell isn't great, but certainly a step up from first start version of Howard.

I just rewatched the FAU highlights and their power read wasn't ran out of gun split like USM so the only thing that I think that might have helped was to set the defensive front away from the RB instead of to him, because it's easier to run power to the side of the shade than it is to the 3-tech