University-6 will be announcing that Coach-2 is out, and presumably Coach-1 and his other assistants are also out.

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Interim Louisville president Greg Postel says there will be a press conference at 1. Pitino, Jurich won't be there, he says.

8:07 AM - 27 Sep 2017

Pitino had 3 phone conversations with Gatto, and Bowen signed with Louisville 2 days after the third phone call.

Jurich wasn't present? That's interesting.

Is Jurich next?

(09-27-2017 03:50 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Jurich wasn't present? That's interesting.

Is Jurich next?

Jurich already let go.

So, who are the candidates to replace Coach-2?

(09-27-2017 09:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So, who are the candidates to replace Coach-2?

Well, conventional wisdom would think that you have an interim coach for this season, and name a permanent coach when there's a new AD in place.

It may be a whlie before there are any NCAA infractions here and that could determine who would want to take the job. Would have to be someone willing to work under trying circumstances.

(09-27-2017 11:07 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:16 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So, who are the candidates to replace Coach-2?

Well, conventional wisdom would think that you have an interim coach for this season, and name a permanent coach when there's a new AD in place.

It may be a whlie before there are any NCAA infractions here and that could determine who would want to take the job. Would have to be someone willing to work under trying circumstances.

I would look for Louisville to hire an interim coach for this season to give them time to hire a permanent AD. The new AD will hire the new HC.

Scotty Davenport of Bellermine is reportedly a strong candidate to be the interim coach. Jerry Eaves & David Padget are also mentioned.

Padget is currently a member of the staff & a former Cardinals player.

Eaves is a Louisville legend from the Denny Crum era who has played & coached in the NBA. He currently is coaching a small college around Louisville.

Scotty Davenport was a great high school coach at Ballard in Louisville. He also was on the Cardinals staff during the transition from Crum to Pitino. He currently is coaching at Bellermine & has had tremendous success there.


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So Fair is Coach 1 with video and Audio and "supposedly" Pitino's "phone" is Coach #2 with NO Audio at all. What they have is Fair being implicated and mentioning Pitino's name. That is some strong evidence. I would like to personally apologize to KJ as I thought he was coach #2 for sure. My bad!
So CRP basically got fired and splashed all over media for his name being mentioned in a conversation and playing phone tag with a guy multiple people at uofl have talked to since he was an Addidas rep.?

K!

(09-29-2017 03:41 PM)Dasville Wrote:  So Fair is Coach 1 with video and Audio and "supposedly" Pitino's "phone" is Coach #2 with NO Audio at all. What they have is Fair being implicated and mentioning Pitino's name. That is some strong evidence. I would like to personally apologize to KJ as I thought he was coach #2 for sure. My bad!
So CRP basically got fired and splashed all over media for his name being mentioned in a conversation and playing phone tag with a guy multiple people at uofl have talked to since he was an Addidas rep.?

K!

There has to be something more to come. UL couldn't have begun the process of removing Pitino on accusations alone (I would think).

(09-29-2017 04:01 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:41 PM)Dasville Wrote:  So Fair is Coach 1 with video and Audio and "supposedly" Pitino's "phone" is Coach #2 with NO Audio at all. What they have is Fair being implicated and mentioning Pitino's name. That is some strong evidence. I would like to personally apologize to KJ as I thought he was coach #2 for sure. My bad!
So CRP basically got fired and splashed all over media for his name being mentioned in a conversation and playing phone tag with a guy multiple people at uofl have talked to since he was an Addidas rep.?

K!

There has to be something more to come. UL couldn't have begun the process of removing Pitino on accusations alone (I would think).

It's my understanding that not even the interim president knew that Pitino was coach 2 when he placed him & Jurich on administrative leave. Jurich himself said today that if he were given evidence that Pitino was coach 2 that he would have fired Pitino as well. Pitino was fired because at best 2 of his assistants that he hired committed violations, 1 while they were on probation. At best, he is unable to control his assistants. His knowledge of the violations is no longer relevant.


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(09-29-2017 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 04:01 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:41 PM)Dasville Wrote:  So Fair is Coach 1 with video and Audio and "supposedly" Pitino's "phone" is Coach #2 with NO Audio at all. What they have is Fair being implicated and mentioning Pitino's name. That is some strong evidence. I would like to personally apologize to KJ as I thought he was coach #2 for sure. My bad!
So CRP basically got fired and splashed all over media for his name being mentioned in a conversation and playing phone tag with a guy multiple people at uofl have talked to since he was an Addidas rep.?

K!

There has to be something more to come. UL couldn't have begun the process of removing Pitino on accusations alone (I would think).

It's my understanding that not even the interim president knew that Pitino was coach 2 when he placed him & Jurich on administrative leave. Jurich himself said today that if he were given evidence that Pitino was coach 2 that he would have fired Pitino as well. Pitino was fired because at best 2 of his assistants that he hired committed violations, 1 while they were on probation. At best, he is unable to control his assistants. His knowledge of the violations is no longer relevant.


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I guess we will find out when the investigation is over....... In 2 or 3 years. In the meantime CRP was never given a chance to defend himself against accusations levied against him as his contract demands. Without that opportunity he is probably following the advice of his lawyer and keeping his mouth totally shut. I'm not defending CRP and he may be guilty. All I'm saying is that there is real possibility that things didn't go down as they are described. If that is the case and he is found innocent (again in 2-3 years) then UofL will be on the hook for millions in buyout and more than likely millions more in damages and will have lost a HoF and the best AD in the country. On top of that, these would be self inflicted wounds.
But hey! That is the Cardinal way!

Saw a runner on ESPN. Pitino was quaoted as saying UL was going to do what they had to do and he was going to do what he had to do.

Sounded like he is planning on suing.

(09-30-2017 07:12 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 04:01 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(09-29-2017 03:41 PM)Dasville Wrote:  So Fair is Coach 1 with video and Audio and "supposedly" Pitino's "phone" is Coach #2 with NO Audio at all. What they have is Fair being implicated and mentioning Pitino's name. That is some strong evidence. I would like to personally apologize to KJ as I thought he was coach #2 for sure. My bad!
So CRP basically got fired and splashed all over media for his name being mentioned in a conversation and playing phone tag with a guy multiple people at uofl have talked to since he was an Addidas rep.?

K!

There has to be something more to come. UL couldn't have begun the process of removing Pitino on accusations alone (I would think).

It's my understanding that not even the interim president knew that Pitino was coach 2 when he placed him & Jurich on administrative leave. Jurich himself said today that if he were given evidence that Pitino was coach 2 that he would have fired Pitino as well. Pitino was fired because at best 2 of his assistants that he hired committed violations, 1 while they were on probation. At best, he is unable to control his assistants. His knowledge of the violations is no longer relevant.


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I guess we will find out when the investigation is over....... In 2 or 3 years. In the meantime CRP was never given a chance to defend himself against accusations levied against him as his contract demands. Without that opportunity he is probably following the advice of his lawyer and keeping his mouth totally shut. I'm not defending CRP and he may be guilty. All I'm saying is that there is real possibility that things didn't go down as they are described. If that is the case and he is found innocent (again in 2-3 years) then UofL will be on the hook for millions in buyout and more than likely millions more in damages and will have lost a HoF and the best AD in the country. On top of that, these would be self inflicted wounds.
But hey! That is the Cardinal way!

Legally neither has been fired so RP contract hasn't been violated yet. I believe he & Jurich will appear before the board & they will make the decision on their fate. If RP is coach 2 then the board can still satisfy his contract with a 10 day notice before officially firing him without a settlement due. Another thing to consider is that RO extension hasn't kicked in yet, how does that play into this legally? Does he have a morality clause?

Depending on Jurich contract I think it will be trickier to fire him. He can point to the fact that he wasn't presented any evidence of wrongdoing by Pitino & that firing him then would have put the university in jeopardy of paying RP $44 million buyout. I'm not sure what the board will do with Jurich. He gave RP to much in his contract & given RP two previous scandals he should have protected the university better than what he did. Jurich still has a chance to keep his job.

On a side note, I haven't heard anything about Mark Jurich during any of this.


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(09-30-2017 09:18 AM)bullet Wrote:  Saw a runner on ESPN. Pitino was quaoted as saying UL was going to do what they had to do and he was going to do what he had to do.

Sounded like he is planning on suing.

Pitino has $44 million on the line. We'll see what kind of case he has. Right now he has a lot of circumstantial evidence against him. No recordings of the 3 calls to Gatto has surfaced yet. That's not to say that he won't be rated out.


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So, between forfeited conference $, forfeited shoe contract, forfeited basketball share from ACC, lawyer fees, real potential of CRP wrongful termination buyout as well as Tom Jurich's, the University of looking at over 1/4 BILLION $ in lost money.

Oh yes, almost forgot, the NCAA will also have to weigh in.

CRP may or may not be Coach #2 however, he was talking about Terry Rozier's sponsorship to the Gatto guy:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ng-scandal

(10-01-2017 08:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  CRP may or may not be Coach #2 however, he was talking about Terry Rozier's sponsorship to the Gatto guy:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ng-scandal

Unless you were in the room, I don't think you or anyone else can say what was discussed during those three conversations. AFAIK, they were not recorded. So, all we have is what Pitino claims. If the FBI had hard evidence against Pitino, you can be sure he would have been indicted along with the four assistants.

Pitino is no dope. If he was involved, you can be sure he took pains to make sure he could maintain plausible deniability. And, while the public at large is free to connect the dots between those conversations and the commitment of a player he hadn't been recruiting, the university has a much higher bar to clear to avoid paying Pitino at least a big chunk of the money that would be due to him under his contract.

Until the RICO statute was passed, Mafia dons could escape jail by always being sure their fingerprints weren't at the scene of any crimes committed at their behest. Unless one of their lieutenants turned state's evidence and testified against them, they couldn't be touched. The question here is whether the FBI can get anybody to flip against bigger fish than we have seen so far.

(10-02-2017 10:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  CRP may or may not be Coach #2 however, he was talking about Terry Rozier's sponsorship to the Gatto guy:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ng-scandal

Unless you were in the room, I don't think you or anyone else can say what was discussed during those three conversations. AFAIK, they were not recorded. So, all we have is what Pitino claims. If the FBI had hard evidence against Pitino, you can be sure he would have been indicted along with the four assistants.

Pitino is no dope. If he was involved, you can be sure he took pains to make sure he could maintain plausible deniability. And, while the public at large is free to connect the dots between those conversations and the commitment of a player he hadn't been recruiting, the university has a much higher bar to clear to avoid paying Pitino at least a big chunk of the money that would be due to him under his contract.

Until the RICO statute was passed, Mafia dons could escape jail by always being sure their fingerprints weren't at the scene of any crimes committed at their behest. Unless one of their lieutenants turned state's evidence and testified against them, they couldn't be touched. The question here is whether the FBI can get anybody to flip against bigger fish than we have seen so far.

I'll play. IF Pitino thought there was a possibility of getting caught and made sure he covered his azz WHY would he not make sure his assistants were also covered? I mean, we are talking millions upon millions of dollars. Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!

(10-02-2017 11:06 AM)Dasville Wrote:  I'll play. IF Pitino thought there was a possibility of getting caught and made sure he covered his azz WHY would he not make sure his assistants were also covered? I mean, we are talking millions upon millions of dollars.

Other than what we read, I have no idea what Pitino did or didn't do, but the only way a head coach could "make sure his assistants were also covered" is to have another layer of people "below" the assistants, whom the head coach could trust as much as the assistants, in order to insulate the assistants.

It seems unwise to bring too many people into the "circle of trust" if anything nefarious is going on. A head coach would hope he could trust his assistant coaches to not "flip" unless they have themselves been indicted like the assistants charged with crimes here by the feds. Anyone farther down the chain, who doesn't have strong ties to the head coach and no reason to protect him, could turn on the head coach much more easily -- just to name two examples, ask Chip Kelly or Tim Floyd about that.

(10-02-2017 11:06 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  CRP may or may not be Coach #2 however, he was talking about Terry Rozier's sponsorship to the Gatto guy:


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ng-scandal

Unless you were in the room, I don't think you or anyone else can say what was discussed during those three conversations. AFAIK, they were not recorded. So, all we have is what Pitino claims. If the FBI had hard evidence against Pitino, you can be sure he would have been indicted along with the four assistants.

Pitino is no dope. If he was involved, you can be sure he took pains to make sure he could maintain plausible deniability. And, while the public at large is free to connect the dots between those conversations and the commitment of a player he hadn't been recruiting, the university has a much higher bar to clear to avoid paying Pitino at least a big chunk of the money that would be due to him under his contract.

Until the RICO statute was passed, Mafia dons could escape jail by always being sure their fingerprints weren't at the scene of any crimes committed at their behest. Unless one of their lieutenants turned state's evidence and testified against them, they couldn't be touched. The question here is whether the FBI can get anybody to flip against bigger fish than we have seen so far.

I'll play. IF Pitino thought there was a possibility of getting caught and made sure he covered his azz WHY would he not make sure his assistants were also covered? I mean, we are talking millions upon millions of dollars. Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!

"I'll play"? What does that even mean? Do you think I am "playing" something? You made a statement that you have no possible way of knowing is true.

I have no idea where you come up with "Oh! You are saying everyone is dirty (except UK, Duke, UNC and all Nike schools). Gotcha!" I clearly never said or remotely implied any of that. Sounds to me like you have an agenda here.

There are 2 possible outcomes.

1. Pitino knew what was going on. Even if he didn't actively participate he is guilty.
2. Pitino didn't know what was going on. As head of the MBB he is responsible. It is possible to have rogue employees/coaches. When you are at the top, you are responsible. The captain was not on the bridge when the Fitzgerald collided with the freighter off Japan. He is still responsible.

I'm not surprised the FBI hasn't named the big fish yet. It seems like a common tactic to arrest the little guys and see how the big guys respond.

I can't imagine the FBI not recording audio and possibly video evidence. It's way too early for them to release that stuff.