(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some of that stems from there being many other options for people to watch because of the internet.

I doubt the 20% is all because of Colin.

I don't think most of it is from Kap.

I think it's due to how the players, teams and league have handled it.

They've chosen to disrespect the flag and America and in so doing disrespect millions of proud Americans.

When it was just Kap the NFL could play it off like the guy was a nuisance that no team/owner wanted to touch.

Now they've gone full retard and jumped in the fray with him.

Kap has said that his protest is not about the flag or military.

The players have siad the protest is not about the flag or military.

They owners have said the protest is not about the flag or military.

Why do you keep insisting what they are doing is protesting the flag and our military?

Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

(09-27-2017 11:17 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:57 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Nielsen: Football ratings off 11 percent this year


The NFL (and football in general) has been attacked by the left. Their fan base leans right and now they're being played by the left to alienate that base.

Either the leadership of the NFL are idiots or they're complicit.

BTW, I don't think they're idiots.

That is a 20% drop from 2015. Big if it remains that way.

Anyone else recall what they were blaming the drop on a year ago? (other than the obvious)

The upcoming election.

Yup. people were not tuning in to the NFL games because they were all so enamored by the election...

That "explanation" ranked right up there with "It was a response to a video" as some of the purest forms of bullschit ever served.

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:20 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some of that stems from there being many other options for people to watch because of the internet.

I doubt the 20% is all because of Colin.

I don't think most of it is from Kap.

I think it's due to how the players, teams and league have handled it.

They've chosen to disrespect the flag and America and in so doing disrespect millions of proud Americans.

When it was just Kap the NFL could play it off like the guy was a nuisance that no team/owner wanted to touch.

Now they've gone full retard and jumped in the fray with him.

Kap has said that his protest is not about the flag or military.

The players have siad the protest is not about the flag or military.

They owners have said the protest is not about the flag or military.

Why do you keep insisting what they are doing is protesting the flag and our military?

Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

Actions speak much louder than words.

It will be very interesting to see if this trend continues into late Oct. If it does, I bet they just move the national anthem to when both teams are in the locker room.

(09-27-2017 12:04 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:59 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:03 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The NFL is now a minority majority and they can no longer be ignored, silenced or discriminated against.

What the hell are you talking about? who is discriminating against the NFL? Trump staging that they are jackasses for not standing up for the anthem?

I don't think it's trups place to use the presidential bully pulpit for that but FFS, he's right.

I went to NHL games in Buffalo and in addition to the US anthem, I stood (as did the players) for the Canadian anthem. It's common freaking courteousy.

No one is discriminating against the NFL, I'm talking about the players themselves as black men. I'm sure you would agree that most black men have experienced some form discrimination in their lives.

Yes, and all white kids have too. Minorities (except for Asians) receive special consideration for college admissions.

and still none of the leftists can answer how the NFL players are being discriminating against...

(09-28-2017 09:04 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  and still none of the leftists can answer how the NFL players are being discriminating against...

They don't even answer to facts that prove that white people are shot twice as much than blacks by police...

Or that blacks are 27 times more likely to commit a violent attack on a white person than a white person attacking a black...

Or that most of the mainstream media is filled with anti-white male propaganda. And the same goes for the public education system which is dominated by far leftists. Conservatives are pushed around and discriminated against the most in school

I could go on and on.

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  I don't think most of it is from Kap.

I think it's due to how the players, teams and league have handled it.

They've chosen to disrespect the flag and America and in so doing disrespect millions of proud Americans.

When it was just Kap the NFL could play it off like the guy was a nuisance that no team/owner wanted to touch.

Now they've gone full retard and jumped in the fray with him.

Kap has said that his protest is not about the flag or military.

The players have siad the protest is not about the flag or military.

They owners have said the protest is not about the flag or military.

Why do you keep insisting what they are doing is protesting the flag and our military?

Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

This is true. So I wonder if he gets a pass for that.

(09-27-2017 11:03 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:57 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Nielsen: Football ratings off 11 percent this year


The NFL (and football in general) has been attacked by the left. Their fan base leans right and now they're being played by the left to alienate that base.

Either the leadership of the NFL are idiots or they're complicit.

BTW, I don't think they're idiots.

What is happening in the NFL is a microcosm of what will happen in the United States in another 20 years or so.

The NFL is now a minority majority and they can no longer be ignored, silenced or discriminated against.

The owners know this and therefore they stand with their players. Without the players, the owners lose money.

And without the fans they all lose money.

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:25 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  I don't think most of it is from Kap.

I think it's due to how the players, teams and league have handled it.

They've chosen to disrespect the flag and America and in so doing disrespect millions of proud Americans.

When it was just Kap the NFL could play it off like the guy was a nuisance that no team/owner wanted to touch.

Now they've gone full retard and jumped in the fray with him.

Kap has said that his protest is not about the flag or military.

The players have siad the protest is not about the flag or military.

They owners have said the protest is not about the flag or military.

Why do you keep insisting what they are doing is protesting the flag and our military?

Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Kap has said that his protest is not about the flag or military.

The players have siad the protest is not about the flag or military.

They owners have said the protest is not about the flag or military.

Why do you keep insisting what they are doing is protesting the flag and our military?

Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Then Kap should admit his mistakes and APOLOGIZE for his behavior. That's the thing...in order to receive redemption, you have to seek it first.

(09-28-2017 10:49 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Then Kap should admit his mistakes and APOLOGIZE for his behavior. That's the thing...in order to receive redemption, you have to seek it first.

Maybe he hasn't realized it yet. It takes some men a long time to admit they make mistakes.

Take our current POTUS for example. It's been years since he said the Central Park 5 were guilty and he still won't admit he was wrong.

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 11:41 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Kap has said that his protest is not about the flag or military.

The players have siad the protest is not about the flag or military.

They owners have said the protest is not about the flag or military.

Why do you keep insisting what they are doing is protesting the flag and our military?

Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Kap said he couldn't honor a country that has that list of injustices.

So it very much IS a protest against the country the flag represents.

Spin it how you want. He can spin it how he wants. But perception is reality.

That's how it first came out and they own it now.

He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

(09-28-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  He also said he loves the troops. Did you not read the article that an army veteran wrote him about receiving a game ball form Colin with those words on it?

He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

Because he didn't call a black man an Uncle Tom, nor did he call a wealthy white man a slave master. He also didn't compare cops to slave catchers. Do you have a specific example you'd like me to comment on? Or are we going with vague accusations because you don't like the current occupant of the White House?

(09-28-2017 12:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  He also said he loves Castro and cop killers. What's your point?

Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

Because he didn't call a black man an Uncle Tom, nor did he call a wealthy white man a slave master. He also didn't compare cops to slave catchers. Do you have a specific example you'd like me to comment on? Or are we going with vague accusations because you don't like the current occupant of the White House?

He called all Mexicans murderers and rapists.

He called Neo Nazis good people.

He called football players sons of *******.

(09-28-2017 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

Because he didn't call a black man an Uncle Tom, nor did he call a wealthy white man a slave master. He also didn't compare cops to slave catchers. Do you have a specific example you'd like me to comment on? Or are we going with vague accusations because you don't like the current occupant of the White House?

He called all Mexicans murderers and rapists.

He called Neo Nazis good people.

He called football players sons of *******.

He called Hillary loser

(09-28-2017 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

Because he didn't call a black man an Uncle Tom, nor did he call a wealthy white man a slave master. He also didn't compare cops to slave catchers. Do you have a specific example you'd like me to comment on? Or are we going with vague accusations because you don't like the current occupant of the White House?

He called all Mexicans murderers and rapists.

He called Neo Nazis good people.

He called football players sons of *******.

1) He did not
2) He did not
3) and? how is that even remotely comparable to what Kaep's retarded girlfriend and Kaep himself said?

(09-28-2017 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Yes he did and I don't agree with that one bit.

He's made mistakes. Have you ever made a mistake?

Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

Because he didn't call a black man an Uncle Tom, nor did he call a wealthy white man a slave master. He also didn't compare cops to slave catchers. Do you have a specific example you'd like me to comment on? Or are we going with vague accusations because you don't like the current occupant of the White House?

He called all Mexicans murderers and rapists.

He called Neo Nazis good people.

He called football players sons of *******.

Wrong. He did NOT call ALL Mexicans murderers and rapists. That's the narrative the left frames.

He did NOT call Nazis good people. That's the narrative the left frames.

He did NOT call football players SOBs. That's the narrative the left frames. And they're failing on this one.

(09-28-2017 12:45 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 11:17 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Plenty, but I never doubled down on the first mistake by calling Ray Lewis an Uncle Tom or the Ravens owner a slave master. Yes I'm aware that's his retarded girlfriend who said those things, but did Kaep come out and denounce them? No, he did not. He also compared cops to slave catchers, but I guess that was just a "mistake" as well.

Our president has doubled down on many, many of his mistakes. I haven't seen you try and demonize him.

Because he didn't call a black man an Uncle Tom, nor did he call a wealthy white man a slave master. He also didn't compare cops to slave catchers. Do you have a specific example you'd like me to comment on? Or are we going with vague accusations because you don't like the current occupant of the White House?

He called all Mexicans murderers and rapists.

He called Neo Nazis good people.

He called football players sons of *******.

Wrong. He did NOT call ALL Mexicans murderers and rapists. That's the narrative the left frames.

He did NOT call Nazis good people. That's the narrative the left frames.

He did NOT call football players SOBs. That's the narrative the left frames. And they're failing on this one.

Here we go again with denying the facts.