(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

Coaching is big in college football. Also, the rape scandal; how many players were suspended or dismissed?

(09-26-2017 02:24 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  I find most of this conjecture about who is ranked where comical lol Guess it gives us something to talk about though. We have a tier that has a bunch of competitors in it and we have a bottom tier that is not proving to be competitive this year.

Honestly, we do not have a tier 1. USM played UK well and beat who they were supposed to, props, UTSA beat a hapless Baylor, props, but I would also have to shake liberty's hand too if I give you props for that win, also beat who you were supposed to. WKU, beat who they were supposed to, notable win ball state at home, not the WKU of last few years. ODU, been blown out twice, MTSU, blown out twice (granted injuries have decimated that program this year) decent win in syracuse, LT wheels blown off once, played USC tough. Marshall, one decent win, one decent played loss, one underwhelming performance against Kent offensively.

To me, the most surprising team is UAB, figured they may go through some growing pains, but they look to possibly be a bowl team with a few upsets. NT, borderline bowl team. The others are bottom tier, doesn't matter if you lost close (FAU), or have been beaten to a pulp. Gotta have more than one win to escape the bottom tier, especially given the competition that was presented.

How in the world does anyone come up with any sort of ranking given the above reality?? Especially throwing anyone into a top tier? They way the schools have played, coupled with who they have played, gives no one a red rose at this point. I honestly do not think anyone can be taken serious until a few conference games are played, that's where the separation begins.

I agree that it is still to early. These next two week is when things will start to shake out. For USM, we have the UTSA game circled going back to last year. For me personally, UTSA will be the litmus test for Southern Miss. UTSA is legit. Their defense is playing lights out and the players have gone all in. I will say that the team that comes out on top will win the West and host the CCG.

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

When the scandal went down last year there was mass exodus of all their good recruits, they basically have CUSA level freshman and recruits now. It is going to be a tough road for Baylor.

It was funny to see Liberty fans pump their chest over beating a team that has been decimated, only to lose to FCS school two weeks later.

I think Baylor will go 0-12 maybe 1-11 with a win over Kansas, a shell of its former self.

Unfortunately beating Baylor this year will not help UTSA any with the pollsters

UTSA
LaTech
Marshall
Southern Miss
WKU

MTSU (swap with UNT if Stockstill is out more than three games)
North Texas
FAU
UAB
ODU
FIU

Rice
UTEP
Charlotte

I guess everyone forgets we have the conference's only P5 win outside of Baylor. At least Syracuse has 2 wins and had a chance to win in the final minutes in Baton Rouge. I understand the Stockstill injury swaying opinions but if you're going to rank us 'with Stock', I don't see how we're not in the top 2-3.

(09-27-2017 05:00 PM)MTowho Wrote:  I guess everyone forgets we have the conference's only P5 win outside of Baylor. At least Syracuse has 2 wins and had a chance to win in the final minutes in Baton Rouge. I understand the Stockstill injury swaying opinions but if you're going to rank us 'with Stock', I don't see how we're not in the top 2-3.

Everyone? That's one guy.

I have you in a group with Western, USM and Marshall; don't you think La Tech and UTSA are by themselves on top at this point in the season?

(09-27-2017 05:20 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:00 PM)MTowho Wrote:  I guess everyone forgets we have the conference's only P5 win outside of Baylor. At least Syracuse has 2 wins and had a chance to win in the final minutes in Baton Rouge. I understand the Stockstill injury swaying opinions but if you're going to rank us 'with Stock', I don't see how we're not in the top 2-3.

Everyone? That's one guy.

I have you in a group with Western, USM and Marshall; don't you think La Tech and UTSA are by themselves on top at this point in the season?

I personally see NO REASON to exclude Southern Miss from the top group yet. Now, if they lose to UNT this weekend (unlikely), they'll move down accordingly. But if USM wins by 4 TD's....LOOK OUT!!

(09-27-2017 12:35 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

When the scandal went down last year there was mass exodus of all their good recruits, they basically have CUSA level freshman and recruits now. It is going to be a tough road for Baylor.

It was funny to see Liberty fans pump their chest over beating a team that has been decimated, only to lose to FCS school two weeks later.

I think Baylor will go 0-12 maybe 1-11 with a win over Kansas, a shell of its former self.

Unfortunately beating Baylor this year will not help UTSA any with the pollsters

That's a flat out lie and easy to verify. They had the 40th ranked class in 2017, which was good enough for 5th in the Big 12 and is like 20 spots higher than the highest ranked CUSA class (FAU).

(09-27-2017 05:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:35 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

When the scandal went down last year there was mass exodus of all their good recruits, they basically have CUSA level freshman and recruits now. It is going to be a tough road for Baylor.

It was funny to see Liberty fans pump their chest over beating a team that has been decimated, only to lose to FCS school two weeks later.

I think Baylor will go 0-12 maybe 1-11 with a win over Kansas, a shell of its former self.

Unfortunately beating Baylor this year will not help UTSA any with the pollsters

That's a flat out lie and easy to verify. They had the 40th ranked class in 2017, which was good enough for 5th in the Big 12 and is like 20 spots higher than the highest ranked CUSA class (FAU).

Baylor before scandal, 17th rank class. You put a lot of faith in rankings especially since it hardly ever pays dividends for CUSA school. They lost all their 4 star recruits and somehow managed to find players starting in January when Rhule took over.

Baylor's 2017 recruiting class is basically gone, and 7 freshmen want out
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...iles-fired

Baylor Recruits Are Leaving the School in Droves
http://www.esquire.com/sports/news/a4543...ecruiting/

Star recruits who left Baylor are headed to Texas and Auburn
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...n-oklahoma

Baylor has lost numerous recruits and signees since scandal, Briles' firing
Baylor's 2016 and 2017 recruiting classes have seen a number of departures
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...es-firing/

BTW Liberty lost to an FCS school by 3 touchdowns this past weekend. Yes the same Liberty that went to Waco and beat Baylor.

(09-27-2017 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  BTW Liberty lost to an FCS school by 3 touchdowns this past weekend. Yes the same Liberty that went to Waco and beat Baylor.

ODU had the best Dline in football a couple of weeks ago.....

Looks to be a fun conference this year.

(09-27-2017 05:44 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 12:35 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

When the scandal went down last year there was mass exodus of all their good recruits, they basically have CUSA level freshman and recruits now. It is going to be a tough road for Baylor.

It was funny to see Liberty fans pump their chest over beating a team that has been decimated, only to lose to FCS school two weeks later.

I think Baylor will go 0-12 maybe 1-11 with a win over Kansas, a shell of its former self.

Unfortunately beating Baylor this year will not help UTSA any with the pollsters

That's a flat out lie and easy to verify. They had the 40th ranked class in 2017, which was good enough for 5th in the Big 12 and is like 20 spots higher than the highest ranked CUSA class (FAU).

Baylor Down to 1 commit for 2017 recruiting class:
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ting-class

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...iles-fired

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...n-oklahoma

The Baylor program has been absolutely decimated.

Baylor will play the 2016 season with only 70 Scholarship players:
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footbal...rixqj8gezy

Baylor agrees to release 5 2016 Football Signees:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../86313342/


Surely you knew this stuff?

(09-27-2017 06:24 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  BTW Liberty lost to an FCS school by 3 touchdowns this past weekend. Yes the same Liberty that went to Waco and beat Baylor.

ODU had the best Dline in football a couple of weeks ago.....

Not one person said anything close to this.

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

Players left over the rape scandal, players were kicked off the team due to the scandal. More players left at the coaching change. Recruits dropped off due to the scandal. Some recruits were dropped because they didn't fit the new coach's plan. Basically, add everything that can slow down a team with a coaching change (losing a good coach, good at winning anyway) and tack on becoming a school that has to kick players off and a school it's now embarrassing to cheer for or attend . . . Perfect storm!

(09-27-2017 08:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:24 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  BTW Liberty lost to an FCS school by 3 touchdowns this past weekend. Yes the same Liberty that went to Waco and beat Baylor.

ODU had the best Dline in football a couple of weeks ago.....

Not one person said anything close to this.

Really...

ODU D-LINE

(09-13-2017 04:01 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Leading the nation with 15 sacks, I know not against the best competition but still pretty damn good.

C-USA better watch out.

Since that statement ODU has been outscored 91-23 (UNC 53-23, VA Tech 38-0).

(09-28-2017 10:12 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:24 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  BTW Liberty lost to an FCS school by 3 touchdowns this past weekend. Yes the same Liberty that went to Waco and beat Baylor.

ODU had the best Dline in football a couple of weeks ago.....

Not one person said anything close to this.

Really...

ODU D-LINE

(09-13-2017 04:01 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Leading the nation with 15 sacks, I know not against the best competition but still pretty damn good.

C-USA better watch out.

Since that statement ODU has been outscored 91-23 (UNC 53-23, VA Tech 38-0).

To be fair, he didn't say "ACC better watch out". But yeah, it was a product of who we had played at that point.

(09-28-2017 07:52 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

Players left over the rape scandal, players were kicked off the team due to the scandal. More players left at the coaching change. Recruits dropped off due to the scandal. Some recruits were dropped because they didn't fit the new coach's plan. Basically, add everything that can slow down a team with a coaching change (losing a good coach, good at winning anyway) and tack on becoming a school that has to kick players off and a school it's now embarrassing to cheer for or attend . . . Perfect storm!

they could have just hired Ellis Johnson. the fall wouldn't have taken so long.

(09-28-2017 10:51 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 07:52 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

Players left over the rape scandal, players were kicked off the team due to the scandal. More players left at the coaching change. Recruits dropped off due to the scandal. Some recruits were dropped because they didn't fit the new coach's plan. Basically, add everything that can slow down a team with a coaching change (losing a good coach, good at winning anyway) and tack on becoming a school that has to kick players off and a school it's now embarrassing to cheer for or attend . . . Perfect storm!

they could have just hired Ellis Johnson. the fall wouldn't have taken so long.

Why did yall hire Ellis in the first place? Was it because of money? Seems like yall could have gotten a much better option.

(09-29-2017 07:44 AM)louisiana_dog Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 10:51 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 07:52 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:42 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 07:12 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The ODU board is like this at times and the x played close with y so they are better than z talk is really meaningless.

Teams match up differently; different motivations, different situations, etc.

Baylor is terrible this year. Doesnt mean they are going to get blown out every game.

How does a team with a P5 affiliation and top players and playoff aspirations fall so far so fast?

Players left over the rape scandal, players were kicked off the team due to the scandal. More players left at the coaching change. Recruits dropped off due to the scandal. Some recruits were dropped because they didn't fit the new coach's plan. Basically, add everything that can slow down a team with a coaching change (losing a good coach, good at winning anyway) and tack on becoming a school that has to kick players off and a school it's now embarrassing to cheer for or attend . . . Perfect storm!

they could have just hired Ellis Johnson. the fall wouldn't have taken so long.

Why did yall hire Ellis in the first place? Was it because of money? Seems like yall could have gotten a much better option.

It was one of those power struggle things. Most of us wanted to promote Blake Anderson and keep rolling with the same offense and defense and probably most of the same coaches. Keep winning and in 3-5 years probably have to hire a new coach. The others wanted to hire a guy who would retire here and was from the old guard of the 80's (ELOSS was our D coordinator back in the 80's). Those guys won. They chose the wrong candidate and had to fire him after one season and hire the guy that came in second for the position ( Yes, Monken was the other finalist for the opening) After Monken leaves us on short notice the same situation presented itself again with wanting a coach who would stay from the Bower tree this time. We hire Hopson. ( So far so good but time will tell)