There will be a lot more schools likely added as FBI said They now know the coding of books used to hide the money transactions used by big time shoe companies to funnel players and money to flagship schools for branding players shoe choice in NBA when drafted.

When players that could go to the NBA in the junior and senior year stay in school - outside money facilitates that.

Everyone from the kids estranged parents to his high school coach is looking for a payday. The shoe companies are just one source of the money. The other source are the boosters and associated groups that provide employment to the parents or housing, free legal help to the kids, etc., etc.

If the probe goes beyond the shoe companies and into the boosters via folks rolling over, I suspect you will hit damn near all of the P-5.

I am sorry! I am tired of defending on the sports side and the political side. It is exhausting. I am not saying I'm wrong. I'm just saying sorry and I wouldn't normally be pissy.
Good luck to everybodies school and politics!

(09-27-2017 09:35 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:36 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:17 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Buyers remorse... Looks like the question asked a couple of years ago has been answered.

Despite its high profile in basketball, Louisville was added for one reason: football. If it was about basketball, the ACC would have added UConn -- not because UConn is better than UL, but because UConn is similar in basketball but with much stronger academics.

So you don't think this issue (not talking just UL or the schools mentioned) expands beyond basketball? I fully expect this thing to balloon when the coaches and adidas exec starts singing.

Who knows, but the sneaker business is built on basketball. The sneaker companies run the AAU basketball leagues and camps, targeting kids from a young age to align with one company or another. I'm not aware that the same kind of thing goes on in football.

(09-27-2017 12:44 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:35 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:36 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:17 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Buyers remorse... Looks like the question asked a couple of years ago has been answered.

Despite its high profile in basketball, Louisville was added for one reason: football. If it was about basketball, the ACC would have added UConn -- not because UConn is better than UL, but because UConn is similar in basketball but with much stronger academics.

So you don't think this issue (not talking just UL or the schools mentioned) expands beyond basketball? I fully expect this thing to balloon when the coaches and adidas exec starts singing.

Who knows, but the sneaker business is built on basketball. The sneaker companies run the AAU basketball leagues and camps, targeting kids from a young age to align with one company or another. I'm not aware that the same kind of thing goes on in football.

Ever heard of the 7 on 7 leagues? They're sponsored by the shoe companies as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...or-cities/

http://news.adidas.com/us/Latest-News/ad...d74986e589

(09-27-2017 10:17 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  I am going to try and avoid the stone throwing here mainly because "those in the know" have been saying this happens all the time to a certain extent and in varying degrees/methods (not necessarily this specific method the FBI focused on), especially in what is now known as the P5 grouping, and has probably been heightened by the fact that the NBA stopped taking kids directly out of high school.

I saw one poster on another board sum it up along these lines (again for the P5 and including other methods such as hiring the kid's parent as a college employee *wink**wink*):

about 1% - don't do this at all

about 69% - have done it infrequently, maybe once every 5-6 years

about 29% - do it frequently, at least twice every 3-4 years

about 1% - do it virtually annually but do it so well they will likely never get caught doing it

Where does your school fall or where do you think they fall?

I am not naive enough to believe that SU is in the 1% that don't do it all. I hope we are at worse in the 69% that have only done it infrequently.

I suspect the fact that we were under a sustained 10-year NCAA investigation may have kept us from doing this particular issue during this specific FBI investigation. One might say it didn't prevent Louisville from getting their hands caught in the cookie jar, but then I suspect the Cards, at least in terms of CBB, falls in the 29% based upon what has been revealed so far.

I don't think this is particularly stone-throwing since the Cards, again as I see it, are in a unique situation from SU. After all the Orange aren't competing directly against an in-state rival that in my mind falls in the latter 1% category of doing it so well they will likely never get caught on any of the various methods they have developed over time. Not saying that excuses the behavior, it just helps to explain why they might feel the pressure more so than others.

Just my thoughts, could be proven totally wrong.

Cheers,
Neil

No doubt the success up I65 has put a lot of pressure on the basketball program like Louisville football success has put pressure on theirs.


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(09-27-2017 09:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:28 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Didn't GT just sign with Adidas & pick up a commitment from a top player?

Hey, he hasn't signed a LOI!

And GT isn't wearing Adidas for another year. And GT doesn't engage in this sort of behavior. If you see a flood of 5* neanderthals who can't write an essay paper suddenly committing to GT left and right we can re-evaluate.

Let's hope this will keep GT out of it.


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The ACC buried the academic high road when it invited FSU. Miami and UL just poured cement on the grave.

(09-27-2017 02:44 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  The ACC buried the academic high road when it invited FSU. Miami and UL just poured cement on the grave.

FSU is ranked number 81 in National Universities by USNWR and is classified as a Research University with Very High Research by the Carnegie Foundation. The U is ranked number 44 in National Universities by USNWR. They are both excellent schools academically. Louisville is ranked number 177 by USNWR. It's a good school, and I have no objection to being in the same conference based on academics, but it's behind any other member of the ACC by at least 70 spots.

(09-27-2017 02:56 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 02:44 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  The ACC buried the academic high road when it invited FSU. Miami and UL just poured cement on the grave.

FSU is ranked number 81 in National Universities by USNWR and is classified as a Research University with Very High Research by the Carnegie Foundation. The U is ranked number 44 in National Universities by USNWR. They are both excellent schools academically. Louisville is ranked number 177 by USNWR. It's a good school, and I have no objection to being in the same conference based on academics, but it's behind any other member of the ACC by at least 70 spots.

FSU was added in 1991.

(09-27-2017 07:05 AM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra...b372a.html

Probably written by one of the many in this region still bitter about ACC expansion and having the basketball tournament leave the state of NC.

(09-27-2017 02:56 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 02:44 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  The ACC buried the academic high road when it invited FSU. Miami and UL just poured cement on the grave.

FSU is ranked number 81 in National Universities by USNWR and is classified as a Research University with Very High Research by the Carnegie Foundation. The U is ranked number 44 in National Universities by USNWR. They are both excellent schools academically. Louisville is ranked number 177 by USNWR. It's a good school, and I have no objection to being in the same conference based on academics, but it's behind any other member of the ACC by at least 70 spots.

+1

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:17 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Buyers remorse... Looks like the question asked a couple of years ago has been answered.

Humble Brag by Mr. Walker

Just call me Mr. Bojangles!

(09-27-2017 10:55 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  There will be a lot more schools likely added as FBI said They now know the coding of books used to hide the money transactions used by big time shoe companies to funnel players and money to flagship schools for branding players shoe choice in NBA when drafted.

Yup...schadenfreude at your own risk.

If you are a school who is in the Top 25 or suddenly just become good too quickly...beware.

I'm under no delusion that my school is totally innocent of this stuff.

(09-27-2017 09:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:28 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Didn't GT just sign with Adidas & pick up a commitment from a top player?

Hey, he hasn't signed a LOI!

And GT isn't wearing Adidas for another year. And GT doesn't engage in this sort of behavior. If you see a flood of 5* neanderthals who can't write an essay paper suddenly committing to GT left and right we can re-evaluate.

After Nike, Adidas and UA go down I'm hearing Russell, Champion and Everlast are the next big thing. Welcome back to the 80's!

Once again GTech screwed themselves.

Ouch: http://www.chronicle.com/article/It-s-Be...ars/241312

(09-28-2017 09:37 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:55 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  There will be a lot more schools likely added as FBI said They now know the coding of books used to hide the money transactions used by big time shoe companies to funnel players and money to flagship schools for branding players shoe choice in NBA when drafted.

Yup...schadenfreude at your own risk.

If you are a school who is in the Top 25 or suddenly just become good too quickly...beware.

I'm under no delusion that my school is totally innocent of this stuff.

I would think UCONN title runs under Calhoun has to raise some red flags.


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(09-28-2017 10:40 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 09:37 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:55 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  There will be a lot more schools likely added as FBI said They now know the coding of books used to hide the money transactions used by big time shoe companies to funnel players and money to flagship schools for branding players shoe choice in NBA when drafted.

Yup...schadenfreude at your own risk.

If you are a school who is in the Top 25 or suddenly just become good too quickly...beware.

I'm under no delusion that my school is totally innocent of this stuff.

I would think UCONN title runs under Calhoun has to raise some red flags.


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I've long suspected Calhoun's AAU connections - ever since Coach Williams at Maryland called him out.

(09-28-2017 10:40 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 09:37 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:55 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  There will be a lot more schools likely added as FBI said They now know the coding of books used to hide the money transactions used by big time shoe companies to funnel players and money to flagship schools for branding players shoe choice in NBA when drafted.

Yup...schadenfreude at your own risk.

If you are a school who is in the Top 25 or suddenly just become good too quickly...beware.

I'm under no delusion that my school is totally innocent of this stuff.

I would think UCONN title runs under Calhoun has to raise some red flags.


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I've long suspected Calhoun's AAU connections - ever since Coach Williams at Maryland called him out.

(09-27-2017 09:55 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 08:17 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  Buyers remorse... Looks like the question asked a couple of years ago has been answered.

Humble Brag by Mr. Walker

Let's do a little more humble bragging.

Quote:Accepting the ACC’s invitation, athletic director Tom Jurich said he told Swofford: “I will make you a promise. I’m a man of my word. We will make you proud here at the University of Louisville.”

Uh, not so much. What the athletic department and the institution itself have created is shame, outrage and buyer’s remorse.

ACC has buyers remorse for adding Louisville.