Last chance for GOP to act under reconciliation for the time being. End of Fiscal Year is September 30th you cannot pass a 2017 fiscal year bill after the fiscal year is over.

There are things I like about this new attempt but there are many things I don't like. McCain is trying to get out of voting for it as it would make Mr. "Thumbs Down" look like a massive hypocrite. However is they get 49 other votes i dont see him killing his buddies bill.

Madame Moderate from Maine apparently likes to vote agaisnt everything. Voted against Obamacare and has voted against all attempts to repeal it. She likely won't break her streak

All or nothing Paul isn't going to support this as it leaves most of the taxes from Obamacare in place and uses the money is a more conservative friendly way. Paul wants all the taxes repealed in order to truly repeal the most poisonous and divisive piece of legislation of my generation

That leaves Lisa K from Alaska. She gets on board it passes with her and McCain providing the crucial votes. From the looks of it she is skeptical because this law would possibly take federal money from Alaska. So if they can come up with GOP version of the Cornhusker kickback, maybe the Seawolf Sweetener, they can get this thing passed.

I would think if Rand Paul doesn't like it, it's probably Obamacare for the most part with a different name. But I haven't read up on it too closely so don't know for sure. It does seem to get rid of some features but keep many others intact.

McCain and Graham are good friends so he may vote yes for perhaps that reason alone. Of course he may not vote period because of his health? I guess publicly he's saying he needs more time to review it?

Why don't they do it the RIGHT WAY!!!! Go through commitee. Make it bi partisan so it sticks. Absolutely flabbergasted that this isn't common sense. This will not fix anything.

(09-20-2017 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why don't they do it the RIGHT WAY!!!! Go through commitee. Make it bi partisan so it sticks. Absolutely flabbergasted that this isn't common sense. This will not fix anything.

This ^, except where's the bipartisan support for anything coming out a GOP controlled house and senate? Hell, even with majority control in both it's hardly unified even among itself.

(09-20-2017 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why don't they do it the RIGHT WAY!!!! Go through commitee. Make it bi partisan so it sticks. Absolutely flabbergasted that this isn't common sense. This will not fix anything.

If the Democrats would cooperate, but you know they won't. Its the way the Democrats should have done it in 2009 and how Hillary should have tried in 1993.

Obamacare needs to be killed before the Democrats can be brought to the table at all.

(09-20-2017 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why don't they do it the RIGHT WAY!!!! Go through commitee. Make it bi partisan so it sticks. Absolutely flabbergasted that this isn't common sense. This will not fix anything.

You mean, like the way Obamacare was not done?

The bi partisan part was by design by McConnell. You'll have to ask him what his motivations were. He kept party discipline that's for sure.
They sure in the hell reached across the aisle more than this group is trying to. Agree or disagree?

2nd part. They most definitely went through committees and had hearings. It's just a flat out lie misrepresentation to say that they didn't.

How did ACA reach across the aisle?

At this point does anyone actually believe that the repeal and replace will be nothing more than a political move and will actually do nothing to improve the system?

(09-20-2017 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The bi partisan part was by design by McConnell. You'll have to ask him what his motivations were. He kept party discipline that's for sure.

Keeping the opposition united is easy when they all oppose what is being proposed. There simply was no republican who could in good conscience vote for the totality of the bill, as put to vote. There were even some democrats who could not.

Quote:They sure in the hell reached across the aisle more than this group is trying to. Agree or disagree?

Neither one of them made any significant effort in that regard. Not then, not now, and not at any point in between.

Quote:2nd part. They most definitely went through committees and had hearings. It's just a flat out lie misrepresentation to say that they didn't.

They went through committees and had hearings, and even had some bipartisan negotiations. Then they went forward and ignored all that and did exactly what they had intended to do all along. If you want to believe that kabuki charades are somehow meaningful, I can't stop you. But there was nothing to indicate any genuine willingness to work together.

(09-20-2017 01:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 10:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The bi partisan part was by design by McConnell. You'll have to ask him what his motivations were. He kept party discipline that's for sure.

Keeping the opposition united is easy when they all oppose what is being proposed. There simply was no republican who could in good conscience vote for the totality of the bill, as put to vote. There were even some democrats who could not.

Quote:They sure in the hell reached across the aisle more than this group is trying to. Agree or disagree?

Neither one of them made any significant effort in that regard. Not then, not now, and not at any point in between.

Quote:2nd part. They most definitely went through committees and had hearings. It's just a flat out lie misrepresentation to say that they didn't.

They went through committees and had hearings, and even had some bipartisan negotiations. Then they went forward and ignored all that and did exactly what they had intended to do all along. If you want to believe that kabuki charades are somehow meaningful, I can't stop you. But there was nothing to indicate any genuine willingness to work together.

Were there Republican amendments to the ACA?

Yes, we have went over this many many times but that doesn't stop people from lying about it.

(09-20-2017 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why don't they do it the RIGHT WAY!!!! Go through commitee. Make it bi partisan so it sticks. Absolutely flabbergasted that this isn't common sense. This will not fix anything.

Is that the way Obama and the Dems did it so many years ago... just as you described? I don't recall hearing you complain about their method..!?

In the end I just want honesty. People who bitched about Obamacare being rammed through should be over their ears over this!!!!!! It's irresponsible. It's not even being scored. The process is one thousand times worse than anything that was done passing Obamacare. Anyone that disagrees with that is delusional or a damn dirty liar.

"If you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor "--Barack Hussein Obama

(09-20-2017 01:58 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  "If you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor "--Barack Hussein Obama

I still have my doctor. Do you?

Yep .. I have one and Isee him once a year for my annual physical. Always have had a doctor and health insurance...unlike your uninsured loser friends and family members that you mentioned.

(09-20-2017 02:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 01:58 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  "If you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor "--Barack Hussein Obama

I still have my doctor. Do you?

Yep. Because I haven't gotten within miles of Obamacare and hope never to do so.

If this bill was being passed without Obamacare as a pretense you might have a point. But the most divisive piece of legislation in modern history tends to bring out the worst in people.

(09-20-2017 02:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 01:58 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  "If you like your doctor , you can keep your doctor "--Barack Hussein Obama

I still have my doctor. Do you?

I don't think he was speaking directly and only to you. I think there were a few other people involved.

The other part... if you like your plan you can keep you plan...

Wasn't an option for me. My plan was a cadillac plan and those were specifically targeted.