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Quote:Worst how? We go from an undefeated season to losing to a fcs school and we're upset. How is that bad

We went from losing to an FCS school to becoming undefeated a few years later, actually. Still no excuse to losing to FCS Nichols, even then. No excuse. We should have been 2-10 that year.

That said, making sense of this thread (I saw it after the game) -- Idaho isn't FCS this year, nor general FCS-level. They crushed Colorado State in their bowl, then got whipped by UNLV. They're weird, but they're going To Be moving to FCS, so that makes more sense as to why. The competitive Idaho team showed up last night, and thankfully we bounced back.

But still not impressive, at the end of the day. It gives us legit hope that we won't have a laid-an-egg season transitioning into all this.

Up until the EMU game's about to begin, we won't have a solid perspective on how our team really is. But the IdaHO game definitely shows we are capable of Not making a bowl this year.

If we were to have lost to Idaho at home -- I would say, yes, we'd have Every right to be very upset. As of right now, we have every right to be worried -- but with a sigh of relief.

We're 1-2.

Most of us would've predicted that Pre-Season.

Let's see where we are in a month.

Give team time to grow and coaches to adapt-adjust.

Agree with Major.

Actually, my counsel was to use the USC game to kind of ease into the season, play to,win, but without a lot of hype, then try to take a real shot at MSU. I hoped to see us at 3-1 with a win at MSU.

Now I understand this is not last years team. This is THIS years team. We need to find out what that team is. Who are the leaders, who are the new parts, how does everything fit together.

We have some strong parts in the puzzle. They all need to learn to trust each other, respond to each other. We saw that start to come together yesterday. Defense sensed a mood change from the offense and it gave them energy, they responded. Good to see.

I'm in wait and see mode. Going to accept this is the 2017, not the 2016 team. Going to trust the coaching staff, going to trust the players.

Let's Ride.

(09-17-2017 04:09 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  We're 1-2.

Most of us would've predicted that Pre-Season.

Let's see where we are in a month.

Give team time to grow and coaches to adapt-adjust.

Totally agreed! Noone was thinking this was going to be a 'cotton bowl' year this year so the main goal is winning the MAC and getting into a decent bowl game. For all intent and purposes this is pre-season for us. Lets hope we improve, get into a rhythm and continue winning. I was hoping we'd be clicking allot better on offense and our D would have given up fewer big plays but i'm not even reaching for the panic button. I saw terrible play but also growth and heart and that says allot.

Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

(09-17-2017 02:31 PM)PezKingGL1 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 02:20 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 01:22 PM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(09-16-2017 07:20 PM)New School Bronco Wrote:  Some people didn't enjoy the spotlight and winning.

Oddly enough I didn't see anything from this guy after we started winning last night ......

Acted like an adult, didn't do rowing dances, forgot to race Wassink down the sidelines between quarters. He missed so many great photo ops. He'll never cut it as a HC

:cloud9:Peej
#Mancrush #BandwagonBronco #Flecktard

It's still funny that you got sued, but it made you really annoying in the long run.

Speaking of multi-ID turds who only show up to defend their mancrush.

(09-17-2017 05:22 PM)brovol Wrote:  Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

Excellent take, Brovol.

(09-17-2017 08:04 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 05:22 PM)brovol Wrote:  Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

Excellent take, Brovol.

Even for an experienced team developing a cohesiveness is a process. You guys act like Peej went from 1-11 to 13-1 in the blink of an eye.

"That damn QB playing in his second game could have been better! It's coaching Gawd Damn it, COACHING!!!!!"

(09-17-2017 08:18 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 08:04 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(09-17-2017 05:22 PM)brovol Wrote:  Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

Excellent take, Brovol.

Even for an experienced team developing a cohesiveness is a process. You guys act like Peej went from 1-11 to 13-1 in the blink of an eye.

"That damn QB playing in his second game could have been better! It's coaching Gawd Damn it, COACHING!!!!!"

#LesterLapdog

Anyone remember the game where Peej threw the team under the bus after a loss? It wasn't all love n strokes when Peej had the helm.

(09-17-2017 05:22 PM)brovol Wrote:  Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

I'm pretty sure Tim has some very defensible reasons for his decisions. Let's give the man time to put his thing together.

Anyone remember the game where Peej gave all the credit to the players?

Yeah, me neither u

(09-17-2017 05:22 PM)brovol Wrote:  Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

You always say it so eloquently.

Nice to have a real voice a reason around here.

I keep hearing all these ridiculous comparison's to PJ's first season of 1-11.

Here's the biggest difference and reason for concern:
That was coming off a 4-8 season (trending downwards) with not even a full roster of scholarship players. We had zero depth and only a handful of decent players. The effort and preparedness was there in year one, the talent wasn't.

This team is coming off 13-1 season (trending way up) with a loaded depth chart and tons of returning talent. The effort and preparedness was sketchy at best.

Apples and oranges.

And shame on you if your expectations have plummeted this quickly. By no means do I expect another 13-win season. But we're all intelligent enough to recognize when things don't look good (players unprepared, bad play calling, misuse of talent, etc.)

If you didn't notice this, then I question how much of last year's team you watched. Because there's no comparison. Open your eyes.

I am sure we'll beat Wagner. But I am truly concerned about heading into MAC play. We play like we did on Saturday, and we'll be lucky to be .500

(09-17-2017 09:03 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  I keep hearing all these ridiculous comparison's to PJ's first season of 1-11.

Here's the biggest difference and reason for concern:
That was coming off a 4-8 season (trending downwards) with not even a full roster of scholarship players. We had zero depth and only a handful of decent players. The effort and preparedness was there in year one, the talent wasn't.

This team is coming off 13-1 season (trending way up) with a loaded depth chart and tons of returning talent. The effort and preparedness was sketchy at best.

Apples and oranges.

And shame on you if your expectations have plummeted this quickly. By no means do I expect another 13-win season. But we're all intelligent enough to recognize when things don't look good (players unprepared, bad play calling, misuse of talent, etc.)

If you didn't notice this, then I question how much of last year's team you watched. Because there's no comparison. Open your eyes.

I am sure we'll beat Wagner. But I am truly concerned about heading into MAC play. We play like we did on Saturday, and we'll be lucky to be .500

It's too bad you have to state the obvious this way, but clearly those motivated only by their hatred of Fleck need it stated.

I was talking to my friend at the game about this. Most of these coaches were here before as players or coaches, and now they are back at the helm. But this isn't the same place. We aren't the plucky underdogs anymore who settle for moral victories. Those days are gone - and good riddance. We expect to see more from this program.

If they play like this in the MAC, we won't be in contention for the West.

I truly hope the leaders in that locker room step up and hold each other accountable. The talent is there, and I love what we saw from Wassink in the last 20 minutes of the game last night. I'm hoping it's a sign of things to come.

Above everything, we do need someone to step up and lead this team on the field. I thought maybe Bogan might be the guy to do that. Maybe he is? Who knows.. but if not him, there's no shortage of veteran leaders to draw from on our roster.

(09-17-2017 09:31 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Above everything, we do need someone to step up and lead this team on the field. I thought maybe Bogan might be the guy to do that. Maybe he is? Who knows.. but if not him, there's no shortage of veteran leaders to draw from on our roster.

How do YOU know who is or isn't a team leader? Are you really Monty Porter?

(09-17-2017 05:22 PM)brovol Wrote:  Lester is a great guy, and I obviously am still rooting for him to be super successful, but be it first few games of the season or the last few games of the season, he has made some very amateurish game decisions, and in several respects the team seemed unprepared. It is fair to call him on those things, and it goes with the territory. Moreover, he isn't a first time head coach, and he hand picked his assistants. We all watch not only all WMU games, but lots of college football and MAC games, so we can tell the difference between good play and poor play. We got used to seeing some pretty good football the last few years, and like it or not, that is, and should be, the measuring stick. This team had a lot of players back.

Now I never expected us to beat either USC or MSU, but I thought we would have a chance against MSU, and we did. Multiple reason we lost that game though, and one of them was poor coaching. But I can certainly digest that loss. We simply played terrible for a good percentage of the Idaho game though, and I don't think Lester should get a pass there. We won, and we move forward, but along the way it is ok to light up our coaches when the team looks unprepared, when play choices are ridiculous, or if there are other things that annoy us.

I feel the same way. Declining the personal foul against Cole Chewins at MSU kept us from a greater chance of bringing the score of the game to within one possession. Instead, MSU scores again and we're in a deeper hole. Spotting MAC teams a 14-3 lead won't do us many favors.

(09-17-2017 09:03 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  I keep hearing all these ridiculous comparison's to PJ's first season of 1-11.

Here's the biggest difference and reason for concern:
That was coming off a 4-8 season (trending downwards) with not even a full roster of scholarship players. We had zero depth and only a handful of decent players. The effort and preparedness was there in year one, the talent wasn't.

This team is coming off 13-1 season (trending way up) with a loaded depth chart and tons of returning talent. The effort and preparedness was sketchy at best.

Apples and oranges.

And shame on you if your expectations have plummeted this quickly. By no means do I expect another 13-win season. But we're all intelligent enough to recognize when things don't look good (players unprepared, bad play calling, misuse of talent, etc.)

If you didn't notice this, then I question how much of last year's team you watched. Because there's no comparison. Open your eyes.

I am sure we'll beat Wagner. But I am truly concerned about heading into MAC play. We play like we did on Saturday, and we'll be lucky to be .500

I disagree with your assessment regarding effort and preparedness.

What if I told you we're averaging fewer penalty yards per game than Fleck's first year? We are, by a lot.

What if I told you we're averaging fewer penalty yards per game than last year? We are. That's one sign of a disciplined, well coached team.

Where exactly did you see a lack of effort? Because I saw guys chase down Idaho players from the other side of the field to save touchdowns. I saw our QB run head first into the Idaho defense to get a first down. I saw our players going ALL OUT to recover fumbles on the field. This team does not lack effort, there are just a ton of guys out there with little game experience that are learning what they can do.

It sucks to not see the well oiled machine we saw last year on offense but replacing your entire passing game (and 2 NFL players) takes time. I think we really stepped up on Saturday, much like the team did last year after a bad half of football against Kent State.

Clearly you saw something different than the rest of us.