(09-15-2017 07:54 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Why I said discussions can start then. Get ours then burn the left like they have us. Show up for said discussions just for the donuts. Height of stupidity to give another 11 million amnesty voters to them. Nothing but suicide.

That's all this is about, more voters for dems. All the folks on the left are so naive they actually think the politicians they support give a rats a#% about the poor DACA folks.

That's a major diff in the left and right. The left blindly follows like little puppies following their owner believing every word they say, at least on the right we call out our people as frauds like they are (i.e. McConnell, Ryan, McCain, Trump is starting down the path).

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

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He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

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(09-15-2017 08:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

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He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

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Most people don't see it that way. Most of the DACA kids are essentially Americanized and have done nothing wrong.

The only issue with most people is that a solution be legislative instead of by Obamacree...and that it exclude those with criminal records and neck tattoos.

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(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

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I prefer do-nothing Republicans being in charge and doing nothing than Dems being in charge and doing what they would. And it blows my mind that people think if the right will do nothing that it's great that Trump will go over and do the bidding of the left then just to be doing something.

(09-15-2017 08:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

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He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

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Most people don't see it that way. Most of the DACA kids are essentially Americanized and have done nothing wrong.

The only issue with most people is that a solution be legislative instead of by Obamacree...and that it exclude those with criminal records and neck tattoos.

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I dgaf what "most people" see.... whatever that means. I gaf about the law.

(09-15-2017 08:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

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He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

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Most people don't see it that way. Most of the DACA kids are essentially Americanized and have done nothing wrong.

The only issue with most people is that a solution be legislative instead of by Obamacree...and that it exclude those with criminal records and neck tattoos.

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You are correct. Most people do see dreamers as already Americanized and any form of legislation that includes deportation would be political suicide for republicans.

Trump has put them in a situation where they can't win. If they deport, they lose moderate republicans. If they give amnesty, they conservatives.

They were happy to denounce DACA under the Obama administration knowing full well they didn't have to do anything about it.

All Trump has done is given the democrats an opportunity to play ball.

Fake News

(09-15-2017 09:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

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He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Most people don't see it that way. Most of the DACA kids are essentially Americanized and have done nothing wrong.

The only issue with most people is that a solution be legislative instead of by Obamacree...and that it exclude those with criminal records and neck tattoos.

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I dgaf what "most people" see.... whatever that means. I gaf about the law.

Good, because most likely the law is about to be changed to provide permanent residence for them.

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(09-15-2017 09:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-14-2017 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  He gets no pass. He's doing his part to ensure Dems take control far earlier than they should.

You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Most people don't see it that way. Most of the DACA kids are essentially Americanized and have done nothing wrong.

The only issue with most people is that a solution be legislative instead of by Obamacree...and that it exclude those with criminal records and neck tattoos.

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I dgaf what "most people" see.... whatever that means. I gaf about the law.

And that is the problem. Too many in this country care more about laws than they do about people.

If that continues, we are lost as a country.

(09-14-2017 11:37 PM)Paul M Wrote:  My plan? We don't fall for the lefts lies on this issue again. We get the wall and security first, then the discussions on amnesty can start. Same as the rights been saying for years since being burned. Thought I already said that.

And I've been holding everyone accountable since joining here. It's not something new from me to be treating Trump the same. It's a sizable number of others that's changed. Question them.

And I said exactly the same thing just yesterday. In fact I haven't seen much of anyone on here say any thing much different. Maybe I've missed that.

I wasn't talking about who you "hold accountable" on here, who cares it's a sports message board, you're expecting "The Trumpers" to stand up and somehow object or do something more to force those in Congress to move on the wall.

Fine, wish it would happen too.

So who are you holding accountable in DC?

(09-15-2017 10:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  And that is the problem. Too many in this country care more about laws than they do about people.

If that continues, we are lost as a country.

Basically you want a lawless nation as long as it gives you warm fuzzies inside.

Why not make a deal with the dreamers.

Have them build the wall in exchange for citizenship.

(09-15-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why not make a deal with the dreamers.

Have them build the wall in exchange for citizenship.

I have a better deal. How about they pack their **** and go back to their home country.

(09-15-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why not make a deal with the dreamers.

Have them build the wall in exchange for citizenship.

Cause they're all lawyers and doctors, what would they know about driving a nail or digging a post hole?

Cmon Fit, keep up with latest narrative...

My first preference is to deport them.

My second preference is to trade them remaining here as permanent legal aliens for a wall, tough new laws, and hunting down the other illegals and deporting them--that includes the DREAMERS' parents.

There must be an end to illegal immigration and our weakness on it for 40 years is why we are all of the sudden having to do things many would consider cruel or mean spirited. It will only get worse from here.

Look, trump said during the campaign he was not after the Dreamers... He wanted an unconstitutional move by obama sticken and congress to act. The GOP wants to drag their damn feet so he will work with the dems.

Am I concerned that the dems will eventually just snap at the hand that's feeding them? Yes.
Do I think the dems are right on immigration? No.

I hope this wakes up the GOP establishment to the fact Trump is not beholden to them.

(09-15-2017 10:34 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 09:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:27 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:08 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 08:04 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  You care that corrupt Republican do-nothings are there. Most people do not.

They promised for years to do things...now they can...and won't.

If they start passing things, Trump will sign them. If they do nothing but try to undermine the administration he will try to make deals with Tip O'Neill...I mean Pelosi.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

He doesn't have to make a deal with anybody. DACA is done. Enforce deportation. The kids need to go with the people who brought them here. It's pretty ******* simple.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Most people don't see it that way. Most of the DACA kids are essentially Americanized and have done nothing wrong.

The only issue with most people is that a solution be legislative instead of by Obamacree...and that it exclude those with criminal records and neck tattoos.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

I dgaf what "most people" see.... whatever that means. I gaf about the law.

And that is the problem. Too many in this country care more about laws than they do about people.

If that continues, we are lost as a country.

Government by politically correct feelz.

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(09-15-2017 10:53 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Look, trump said during the campaign he was not after the Dreamers... He wanted an unconstitutional move by obama sticken and congress to act. The GOP wants to drag their damn feet so he will work with the dems.

Am I concerned that the dems will eventually just snap at the hand that's feeding them? Yes.
Do I think the dems are right on immigration? No.

I hope this wakes up the GOP establishment to the fact Trump is not beholden to them.

Yep, pretty much mirrors the way I see it.

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(09-15-2017 10:53 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Look, trump said during the campaign he was not after the Dreamers... He wanted an unconstitutional move by obama sticken and congress to act. The GOP wants to drag their damn feet so he will work with the dems.

Am I concerned that the dems will eventually just snap at the hand that's feeding them? Yes.
Do I think the dems are right on immigration? No.

I hope this wakes up the GOP establishment to the fact Trump is not beholden to them.

Nor is he patient or willing to take the bad PR hit from the extreme stream media. He'll work with damn near anyone to "get something done", even if that something is likely the wrong thing.

It's almost as if the establishment GOP has joined the "resist" movement, only silently and from the other side.
Problem for them is the Rep voters will toss them too, like we did Cantor In Va. Not applaud their efforts like the left does.

How they don't see this is beyond me. Signing their own death certificate.

(09-15-2017 10:42 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-15-2017 10:40 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why not make a deal with the dreamers.

Have them build the wall in exchange for citizenship.

I have a better deal. How about they pack their **** and go back to their home country.