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RE: Bengals '17-'18
(09-10-2017 05:52 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  
(09-10-2017 05:23 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I think you're overvaluing them slightly but it's really unimportant. What's really important is that having guys like Joe Thomas and Marshall Yanda is far more important than having the flashy toys. I'd definitely rather have a line led by a Marshall Yanda or Joe Thomas than all the high picks the Bengals have wasted on skill player's. I think picking skill players 1/2 this year with a bad line who had lost it's best players was incompetent.

Ogbuehi and Fisher were drafted in the First and Second round

Alexander is overrated as a line coach and judge of talent. He'd have lost his job elsewhere even for that draft. Two flat out missed when they couldn't afford a miss miss much less 2
 
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(09-10-2017 05:23 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I think you're overvaluing them slightly but it's really unimportant. What's really important is that having guys like Joe Thomas and Marshall Yanda is far more important than having the flashy toys. I'd definitely rather have a line led by a Marshall Yanda or Joe Thomas than all the high picks the Bengals have wasted on skill player's. I think picking skill players 1/2 this year with a bad line who had lost it's best players was incompetent.

Totally agree. But I was just saying that there are plenty of pieces on offense. If Mikey boy would just dip his toe in the free agent market occasionally the line could fixed pretty quickly and the offense would be dominant given the quality of the skills positions.
 
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I'm sure what will actually happen is marvin will be gone and some poor Bastard that thinks he'll be able to work with he Browns will get hired and of course not be allowed to make any real decisions and the Bengals will be back to the dark ages in no time. Honestly for me fantasy has already overtaken my passions for the bengals. The Browns don't deserve any success anyways.
 
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O-line is busted, Ced and Jake can't cut it. Andy with happy feet is bad Andy. Patch the hole quick or you win 3 games this season.

Oh...Defense is soft against the run (no surprise there).

Pretty simple.
 
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Wonder who will take the rains after Marv gets canned at the end of the season. Takes a special person to work for the Brown family and a lot of guys who appeared to be the heir apparent over the last few years have other gigs.

Maybe the Bengals can hire Kerry Coombs. 03-wink
 
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Not resigning the second best left tackle in the league is really looking killer after one game. If teams can get quick pressure without blitzing against the Bengals, Dalton is going to struggle and it's going to be a long season. Dalton's good at reading blitzes and getting rid of the ball, but when it's just quick pressure and teams are covering with full back 7... he makes a ton of mistakes. About the only positives were Geno looked great and I thought the young corners mostly played really well. The Ravens had very little separation with their starting wide receivers.
 
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I don't think Marvin would ever be fired. I think MB is really comfortable with him and even after last year's down year and this year's expected down year the Bengals have had a great run of playoff teams and winning seasons in the last 10 years. Marvin continually taking short deals tells me he's ready to move when the window is closed. I would've thought last year would've convinced him but back to back losing seasons will prove they're on the way down and he'll resign.
 
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Dalton's game resulted in the 3rd worst single game QBR rating since they started tracking the stats. (2006) Not a good way to start with the next game being a prime time game where he (and the Bengals) have also been historically bad in the past. Then traveling to Green Bay after that.

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Andy Dalton wasn't just bad on Sunday. He was all-time bad.

The Bengals quarterback's performance against the Ravens put him on the list of bottom five single-game Total QBR performances in the history of the statistic, which dates back to 2006.

Dalton's traditional numbers were ugly, too, but remember that Total QBR condenses much more information into a single number than, say, regular passer rating. It considers things such as how credit should be divided among teammates, the down and distance on a quarterback's action plays, the strength of the opposing defense, the rushing contributions of a quarterback and whether plays occur in garbage time. For Dalton, it all added up to disaster on Sunday. But at least he can now say he's on a list with Peyton Manning.

Below we'll count down the five worst single-game QBR performances since 2006 among starters who had at least 20 action plays in their contests. Keep in mind that QBR is a rate stat, not a counting stat, as some of these quarterbacks did not last a full game.

5. Arizona Cardinals QB John Skelton, Week 11, 2011, at 49ers

Total QBR: 0.7

Skelton took over for an injured Kevin Kolb in midseason and had started two contests in 2011 before his fateful clash with the Niners that November. Fifteen of Skelton's 20 action plays that day had a negative expected points value, though none could compare to his first-quarter interception. Skelton had second-and-2, a favorable down and distance, and wasn't under duress when he threw a short pass to his left that was intercepted by Patrick Willis. Skelton threw two more picks before he was mercifully benched. The Cardinals lost 23-7.

4. Cleveland Browns QB Ken Dorsey, Week 16, 2008 vs. Bengals

Total QBR: 0.6

Dorsey was on the field because the quarterbacks in front of him, Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn, were out with injuries. By the end of this one, Dorsey was injured, too.

His three interceptions in the game were his three worst plays from an expected points standpoint, though the two sacks he suffered -- quarterbacks receive part of the blame for sacks in QBR -- didn't help, either. Dorsey's most damaging interception was a pass just a few yards beyond the line of scrimmage intended for Braylon Edwards that Leon Hall picked off and returned to the house.

Dorsey and the Browns were ultimately outdueled by Ryan Fitzpatrick and the Bengals, 14-0. It was the final appearance of Dorsey's NFL career.

3. Cincinnati Bengals QB Andy Dalton, Week 1, 2017 vs. Ravens

Total QBR: 0.6

Unlike the previous two quarterbacks, Dalton is a Week 1 starter and a franchise quarterback. He's proved to be a very good signal-caller for much of his career. But not on Sunday.

Dalton actually had four plays in which he himself cost his team more than a whole expected point. What were they? Interception. Interception. Sack-fumble. Interception.

Oh, and he had a fourth interception for good measure. He wasn't under duress for any of those picks.

Of the four interceptions, the one Dalton threw to C.J. Mosley in the second quarter was the costliest. Why? Mostly because it came in the end zone.

Dalton converted first downs on three of nine third-down attempts (with two interceptions), but on only one of those conversions did he actually throw past the sticks.

He did manage to stay in the game, however, so that's something. The Bengals lost 20-0.

2. Chicago Bears QB Jay Cutler, Week 4, 2010 at Giants

Total QBR: 0.5

In this case, it wasn't really about the turnovers. It was about the sacks.

Nine sacks, to be specific. All in the first half, before Cutler was knocked out of this one with a concussion. The sacks hurt Cutler's QBR to varying degrees, but ultimately Cutler's piece of the blame amounted to a total of minus-5.81 expected points on those nine plays.

Cutler was replaced by backup Todd Collins, who didn't last long himself and had to be replaced by third-string QB Caleb Hanie.

Cutler did throw an interception too, intended for Greg Olsen and picked off by Terrell Thomas, and that was his costliest play.

It's hard to believe given all that, but the Bears entered that game with a 3-0 record and went on to reach the NFC Championship before losing to the Giants.

1. Denver Broncos QB Peyton Manning, Week 10, 2015 vs. Chiefs

Total QBR: 0.3

Before Manning and the Broncos won the Super Bowl, before he took his job back from Brock Osweiler and before he sat out with a plantar fascia injury, there was this game. The worst QBR game ever.

Manning may be one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, but this was perhaps his lowest moment, when he was a shell of himself clinging to his talents.

He had almost as many interceptions (four) as completions (five). Throw in a pair of sacks and a fumble, and the fact that Gary Kubiak had seen enough to put in Osweiler late in the third quarter, and it's easy to understand why this could qualify for the worst QBR game ever.

And those five completions? Only one of them traveled in the air more than 2 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. Two. Yards.

The Broncos lost to the Chiefs 29-13.

Unlike most of the other quarterbacks on this list, it all worked out for Manning. He pushed past the bad game and the bad foot and got himself a ring.

That's the kind of rebound Dalton can only dream of.

Hank Gargiulo contributed to this article.
 
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Bengals O picking up where they left off Sunday. Zampese in over his head.
 
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This team is a pure **** show on offense
 
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Geno Atkins is murdering his man. In the backfield ever single snap. Disrupting everything.
 
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3-3, little WR dude barely got hit and fumbled.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs
 
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Ced's holding his own against JJ
 
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Collingsworth said the Texans have 20 players on IR.
 
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Line getting crushed again
 
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Wow Dalton missed another one, wide open Lafell. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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This game is setting the NFL back 50 years
 
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(09-14-2017 08:37 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  This game is setting the NFL back 50 years

Texans are going to win. Dalton is shook. Every minute favors Watson.
 
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Darqueze Dennard wtf?!
 
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9 play 94 yard TD drive for the Texans, rookie QB, 20 players on IR. WOW
 
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