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(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

Just because you may not agree with some things does not make them negatives. If we were only going to align ourselves with schools who mirror my political beliefs we wouldn't have a conference. This is sports. Leave the politics out of it.

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

What are those negatives? Increased competition for recruits in our region? I guess if they joined CUSA the minuscule amount of media dollars would shrink, but that would be offset by the savings in travel and added value of earned media. Otherwise i don't see any. The political stance of their president is only a reflection on them. I don't see too many schools freaked out about being in conferences with Notre Dame, BYU, Baylor, TCU, Dayton, Villanova etc.

(09-08-2017 12:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

Just because you may not agree with some things does not make them negatives. If we were only going to align ourselves with schools who mirror my political beliefs we wouldn't have a conference. This is sports. Leave the politics out of it.

More like leave the ******* liberty out of this board. Honestly Harry has to stop getting his pants wet with this liberty stuff and associating ODU with that crap.

(09-08-2017 01:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

What are those negatives? Increased competition for recruits in our region? I guess if they joined CUSA the minuscule amount of media dollars would shrink, but that would be offset by the savings in travel and added value of earned media. Otherwise i don't see any. The political stance of their president is only a reflection on them. I don't see too many schools freaked out about being in conferences with Notre Dame, BYU, Baylor, TCU, Dayton, Villanova etc.

You don't see those schools aligning to any political nonsense and advocating radicalism to their students and frankly Liberty is not even a school more of a degree mill. I understand saving money over travel and i would be more than okay with JMU being our travel partner rather than this turd in lynchburg.

(09-08-2017 01:07 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 12:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

Just because you may not agree with some things does not make them negatives. If we were only going to align ourselves with schools who mirror my political beliefs we wouldn't have a conference. This is sports. Leave the politics out of it.

More like leave the ******* liberty out of this board. Honestly Harry has to stop getting his pants wet with this liberty stuff and associating ODU with that crap.

How is it crap? He is a columnist now and not the ODU beat writer. He is doing stories on a program moving to FBS with better facilities and resources than us. They WILL be competition for games and athletes. He is putting his political views aside and looking at Liberty's athletic program objectively and likes what he sees.

(09-08-2017 01:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

What are those negatives? Increased competition for recruits in our region? I guess if they joined CUSA the minuscule amount of media dollars would shrink, but that would be offset by the savings in travel and added value of earned media. Otherwise i don't see any. The political stance of their president is only a reflection on them. I don't see too many schools freaked out about being in conferences with Notre Dame, BYU, Baylor, TCU, Dayton, Villanova etc.

None of those schools, to my knowledge, are actively aligning themselves with a president of such incredibly low moral character. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to profess Christian values then align yourself and endorse someone with such "deplorable " values.

(09-08-2017 01:12 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:07 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 12:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

Just because you may not agree with some things does not make them negatives. If we were only going to align ourselves with schools who mirror my political beliefs we wouldn't have a conference. This is sports. Leave the politics out of it.

More like leave the ******* liberty out of this board. Honestly Harry has to stop getting his pants wet with this liberty stuff and associating ODU with that crap.

How is it crap? He is a columnist now and not the ODU beat writer. He is doing stories on a program moving to FBS with better facilities and resources than us. They WILL be competition for games and athletes. He is putting his political views aside and looking at Liberty's athletic program objectively and likes what he sees.

Any article that claims they are getting more coverage based on the households that liberty n/w covers than CUSA and then saying CUSA might regret that deserves to be a crap. WTF is a flame n/w and who the hell watches it anyway? I want to see what their envious fb schedule turns out to be down the lane. If any conf lets these guys in then they are killing a cash cow for every one. I'd rather play them OOC and make some money.

(09-08-2017 01:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

What are those negatives? Increased competition for recruits in our region? I guess if they joined CUSA the minuscule amount of media dollars would shrink, but that would be offset by the savings in travel and added value of earned media. Otherwise i don't see any. The political stance of their president is only a reflection on them. I don't see too many schools freaked out about being in conferences with Notre Dame, BYU, Baylor, TCU, Dayton, Villanova etc.

How about being tied to a team that has struggled to make the playoffs and NCAA tournament in the Big South despite all of their wealth? Do we really need to add another program that underperforms?

And forget religion, as that is about the only thing they have in common with any of the schools you mentioned. If Liberty was just the campus in Lynchburg with maybe a few satellite campuses and a reasonably sized online program, I would be all for them joining. But they aren't. Their online program is a pox on that university that any sane person who looked into it for more than 5 minutes would find wholly irresponsible and predatory.

(09-08-2017 01:09 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

What are those negatives? Increased competition for recruits in our region? I guess if they joined CUSA the minuscule amount of media dollars would shrink, but that would be offset by the savings in travel and added value of earned media. Otherwise i don't see any. The political stance of their president is only a reflection on them. I don't see too many schools freaked out about being in conferences with Notre Dame, BYU, Baylor, TCU, Dayton, Villanova etc.

You don't see those schools aligning to any political nonsense and advocating radicalism to their students and frankly Liberty is not even a school more of a degree mill. I understand saving money over travel and i would be more than okay with JMU being our travel partner rather than this turd in lynchburg.

I do however see plenty of schools on the other side of the spectrum aligning themselves with "radicalism" and it has never been an issue. Should we avoid being aligned with Cal Berkley or Harvard or any other number of schools that espouse beliefs that many Americans would define as "Radical" because SOME people find their views off the rails and offensive. We don't need politics on college campus, and we especially do not need politics in athletics.

Athletics should bridge the divide, serve as a conversation piece that allows people who disagree to get to know each other and help move the ball past the ugly politics of the day. Let's not use it as just another tool for encouraging the divisive identity driven politics that have corroded every single corner of modern society.

(09-08-2017 01:14 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 08:17 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 07:34 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  I know HMs a devout Catholic but his obsession with talking up Liberty is getting weird at this point. Not much of what he writes about football these days fails to include a Liberty mention.

There is nothing unreasonable able sharing Liberty's story. It is intriguing, and to many, I am sure it is exciting. They are making moves, and that makes their story worth telling.

Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

What are those negatives? Increased competition for recruits in our region? I guess if they joined CUSA the minuscule amount of media dollars would shrink, but that would be offset by the savings in travel and added value of earned media. Otherwise i don't see any. The political stance of their president is only a reflection on them. I don't see too many schools freaked out about being in conferences with Notre Dame, BYU, Baylor, TCU, Dayton, Villanova etc.

None of those schools, to my knowledge, are actively aligning themselves with a president of such incredibly low moral character. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to profess Christian values then align yourself and endorse someone with such "deplorable " values.

Pretty much all conservatives were labeled "deplorable", by the liberal candidate running for president ... remember?

While I am sure that there are millions that would agree with your political rhetoric, I am equally sure that there are millions more that do not agree with it. The truth often lies somewhere in between.

Anyone remember when we used to talk about college sports? That was a cool time.

(09-08-2017 01:29 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Athletics should bridge the divide, serve as a conversation piece that allows people who disagree to get to know each other and help move the ball past the ugly politics of the day. Let's not use it as just another tool for encouraging the divisive identity driven politics that have corroded every single corner of modern society.

Exactly.

How is this "we don't associate with Liberty" attitude any different than the hateful Muslims who refuse to ever compete with an Israeli?

There are plenty of places and opportunities to voice your displeasure of the hypocrisy coming out of Lynchburg. The sports arena is not one of them. I would be very disappointed in ODU if religious and political disagreement ever factored into its decision on who is and is not a worthy athletic partner.

(09-08-2017 01:41 PM)Monarchs Win Wrote:  Anyone remember when we used to talk about college sports? That was a cool time.

Wrong thread for that reminder.

(09-08-2017 01:14 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:12 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:07 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 12:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 09:31 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Sharing their story is all well and good. Sharing their story while not acknowledging any of the negatives they present is opinion and not journalism. It reads like a press release straight from Lynchburg.

Present all sides of the story and let the reader come to their own conclusion.

Just because you may not agree with some things does not make them negatives. If we were only going to align ourselves with schools who mirror my political beliefs we wouldn't have a conference. This is sports. Leave the politics out of it.

More like leave the ******* liberty out of this board. Honestly Harry has to stop getting his pants wet with this liberty stuff and associating ODU with that crap.

How is it crap? He is a columnist now and not the ODU beat writer. He is doing stories on a program moving to FBS with better facilities and resources than us. They WILL be competition for games and athletes. He is putting his political views aside and looking at Liberty's athletic program objectively and likes what he sees.

Any article that claims they are getting more coverage based on the households that liberty n/w covers than CUSA and then saying CUSA might regret that deserves to be a crap. WTF is a flame n/w and who the hell watches it anyway? I want to see what their envious fb schedule turns out to be down the lane. If any conf lets these guys in then they are killing a cash cow for every one. I'd rather play them OOC and make some money.

First, HM's article did not state that Liberty's network provides greater coverage than CUSA. The way he stated it reflects more on CUSA school's individual exposure. Based on this he is correct.

Second, if CUSA turned down an offer of $24M to join that is stupid on their part considering the absolute collapse of the TV money and the suspect TV deals CUSA has.

Third, apparently the people who subscribe to it want to watch what is going on with Liberty athletics.

Fourth, as for their future football schedules, they may get their butts handed to them, but they still get to play as prominent and in some cases more prominent schools than than we have scheduled. I hate to have to say it, but their football program has several things we are envious of: indoor practice facility, modern stadium that will be expanded to be larger than our new stadium and a win over a P5 school.

You point on killing the cash cow if they join doesn't make sense. What cash cow would they be killing for us if they joined CUSA?

I do agree with you about taking their money to play them. Should be a great weekend and easily driveable game.

I would have no issues being in a conference with them. They are showing a willingness to grow and expand that we can only drool over.

(09-08-2017 01:48 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:14 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:12 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:07 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 12:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Just because you may not agree with some things does not make them negatives. If we were only going to align ourselves with schools who mirror my political beliefs we wouldn't have a conference. This is sports. Leave the politics out of it.

More like leave the ******* liberty out of this board. Honestly Harry has to stop getting his pants wet with this liberty stuff and associating ODU with that crap.

How is it crap? He is a columnist now and not the ODU beat writer. He is doing stories on a program moving to FBS with better facilities and resources than us. They WILL be competition for games and athletes. He is putting his political views aside and looking at Liberty's athletic program objectively and likes what he sees.

Any article that claims they are getting more coverage based on the households that liberty n/w covers than CUSA and then saying CUSA might regret that deserves to be a crap. WTF is a flame n/w and who the hell watches it anyway? I want to see what their envious fb schedule turns out to be down the lane. If any conf lets these guys in then they are killing a cash cow for every one. I'd rather play them OOC and make some money.

First, HM's article did not state that Liberty's network provides greater coverage than CUSA. The way he stated it reflects more on CUSA school's individual exposure. Based on this he is correct.

Second, if CUSA turned down an offer of $24M to join that is stupid on their part considering the absolute collapse of the TV money and the suspect TV deals CUSA has.

Third, apparently the people who subscribe to it want to watch what is going on with Liberty athletics.

Fourth, as for their future football schedules, they may get their butts handed to them, but the still get to play as prominent and in some cases more prominent schools than than we have scheduled. I hate to have to say it, but their football program has several things we are envious of: indoor practice facility, modern stadium that will be expanded to be larger than our new stadium and a win over a P5 school.

You point on killing the cash cow if they join doesn't make sense. What cash cow would they be killing for us if they joined CUSA?

I do agree with you about taking their money to play them. Should be a great weekend and easily driveable game.

I would have no issues being in a conference with them. They are showing a willingness to grow and expand that we can only drool over.

Okay let me ask you this. How much of that 24 MM would each school get? may be 1.5 MM after league gets its share. If they are going to pay good for OOC games then its just worth a game. So we are willing to let them sort their schedule out at one time 1.5 MM per school which they would easily pay instead of paying for multiple games with multiple teams. My point still stands about the TV coverage regardless of how harry is painting the picture. I am sure most of the casual fans have no idea bout what Flame n/w is. Money spending can only take a school so far on a football field. FIU has 50k students and a lot of them are online and look what kind of a product they put on the field. Atleast we are in agreement with playing them OOC for money.

I'm glad the conference didn't take Liberty's offer, if for no other reason than it shows that they're not willing to take a short term gain in exchange for a move that could devalue the conference in the long run. Yes Liberty is on the move, but adding them would probably also require adding another school to the west division for balance. Does CUSA really need to be 16 schools? This would spread the paltry TV money even thinner, and that $24 million would not make up for it. And how would that 16th school be? Arkansas State? Troy? Would a Sun Belt school bother to leave to become 1/16 of CUSA?

(09-08-2017 01:58 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:48 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:14 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:12 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 01:07 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  More like leave the ******* liberty out of this board. Honestly Harry has to stop getting his pants wet with this liberty stuff and associating ODU with that crap.

How is it crap? He is a columnist now and not the ODU beat writer. He is doing stories on a program moving to FBS with better facilities and resources than us. They WILL be competition for games and athletes. He is putting his political views aside and looking at Liberty's athletic program objectively and likes what he sees.

Any article that claims they are getting more coverage based on the households that liberty n/w covers than CUSA and then saying CUSA might regret that deserves to be a crap. WTF is a flame n/w and who the hell watches it anyway? I want to see what their envious fb schedule turns out to be down the lane. If any conf lets these guys in then they are killing a cash cow for every one. I'd rather play them OOC and make some money.

First, HM's article did not state that Liberty's network provides greater coverage than CUSA. The way he stated it reflects more on CUSA school's individual exposure. Based on this he is correct.

Second, if CUSA turned down an offer of $24M to join that is stupid on their part considering the absolute collapse of the TV money and the suspect TV deals CUSA has.

Third, apparently the people who subscribe to it want to watch what is going on with Liberty athletics.

Fourth, as for their future football schedules, they may get their butts handed to them, but the still get to play as prominent and in some cases more prominent schools than than we have scheduled. I hate to have to say it, but their football program has several things we are envious of: indoor practice facility, modern stadium that will be expanded to be larger than our new stadium and a win over a P5 school.

You point on killing the cash cow if they join doesn't make sense. What cash cow would they be killing for us if they joined CUSA?

I do agree with you about taking their money to play them. Should be a great weekend and easily driveable game.

I would have no issues being in a conference with them. They are showing a willingness to grow and expand that we can only drool over.

Okay let me ask you this. How much of that 24 MM would each school get? may be 1.5 MM after league gets its share. If they are going to pay good for OOC games then its just worth a game. So we are willing to let them sort their schedule out at one time 1.5 MM per school which they would easily pay instead of paying for multiple games with multiple teams. My point still stands about the TV coverage regardless of how harry is painting the picture. I am sure most of the casual fans have no idea bout what Flame n/w is. Money spending can only take a school so far on a football field. FIU has 50k students and a lot of them are online and look what kind of a product they put on the field. Atleast we are in agreement with playing them OOC for money.

Honestly, I have no clue how much we would get and I see your point. But $24M is still $24M that CUSA and the member schools do not have. The point about the network is that the games are available if fans want to watch them. How many posts on here are devoted to figuring out how we can watch our games. We don't have that kind of network at our disposal,whether it is well known or not. Try selling that money argument to a P5 or AAC team. Money may not bring you wins, but it does allow you to offer facilities and ammenities that we cannot.

(09-08-2017 01:58 PM)Sidewinder Wrote:  I'm glad the conference didn't take Liberty's offer, if for no other reason than it shows that they're not willing to take a short term gain in exchange for a move that could devalue the conference in the long run. Yes Liberty is on the move, but adding them would probably also require adding another school to the west division for balance. Does CUSA really need to be 16 schools? This would spread the paltry TV money even thinner, and that $24 million would not make up for it. And how would that 16th school be? Arkansas State? Troy? Would a Sun Belt school bother to leave to become 1/16 of CUSA?

Side, I see your point, but you have to admit that Liberty would be an upgrade for any number of our current CUSA schools, plus it would be an easy drive to a conference game. If CUSA and the Sun Belt don't join forces and make some geographic alignment decisions that make sense we may have to play at LU every year for the payday. Just to pay the exploding travel bills

We got as much money playing Liberty one game than we get if they joined the CUSA

(09-08-2017 04:12 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We got as much money playing Liberty one game than we get if they joined the CUSA

That is a good point. And when we play them, it should be on their network.