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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-04-2017 08:38 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:28 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:07 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

As long as we fix those penalties.

Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Hey Eric as an App/ECU fan kind of a rough weekend. I don't care about ECU but wished a bit better for APP.

Scottie Montgomery needs to go. You fire an alumni who genuinely cares for the university to hire an outsider who promptly runs the program into the dirt. I imagine the funding for the stadium upgrades will start to dry up until a change is made.

App will be fine one they figure out how to stretch the field vertically. I haven't seen any chance of really doing that since the Brian Quick Days and the one year with Sean Price. The offense is fine for G5 play as the offensive line can overpower and out maneuver defenses, but it doesn't work against P5 teams.

The defense will once again be one of the best in the G5 and will likely be at the top of the Sun Belt, partly due to not playing Troy and state but also because they are that good again.

There were a lot of behind the scenes issues with Ruffin's program.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:07 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

As long as we fix those penalties.

Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

Had a feeling their speed at LB would keep the stretch plays from working.

If ya'll can't get those going then you're pretty much dead in the water.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-04-2017 04:46 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:07 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

As long as we fix those penalties.

Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

Had a feeling their speed at LB would keep the stretch plays from working.

If ya'll can't get those going then you're pretty much dead in the water.

Yup, It is the steam that powers the engine.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

Unfortunately for you Wake has come out of its 10 year hibernation. Will be a lot tougher than your typical Wake game like ULM got in 2014.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-04-2017 05:57 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

Unfortunately for you Wake has come out of its 10 year hibernation. Will be a lot tougher than your typical Wake game like ULM got in 2014.

I agree. I'm a realist on that game in the real world. Maybe we can cover the spread, though. I didn't see the southern game, but I'm hoping you all have a good season as well.
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App's gotta clean up the penalties; they kept UGA on the field for a couple of drives and killed App on offense a couple of times as well. I was encouraged at how well the defense played at times. The offense just looked a little overmatched against a good UGA D. App won't see another D that good this year so they should be alright. They have a chance to right the ship this week and get ready for Belt play on the 16th.
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(09-05-2017 10:22 AM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  App's gotta clean up the penalties; they kept UGA on the field for a couple of drives and killed App on offense a couple of times as well. I was encouraged at how well the defense played at times. The offense just looked a little overmatched against a good UGA D. App won't see another D that good this year so they should be alright. They have a chance to right the ship this week and get ready for Belt play on the 16th.
App hasn't seen a defense that good since 2008 at LSU.

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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-05-2017 12:31 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:22 AM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  App's gotta clean up the penalties; they kept UGA on the field for a couple of drives and killed App on offense a couple of times as well. I was encouraged at how well the defense played at times. The offense just looked a little overmatched against a good UGA D. App won't see another D that good this year so they should be alright. They have a chance to right the ship this week and get ready for Belt play on the 16th.
App hasn't seen a defense that good since 2008 at LSU.

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Taylor averaged 10 yards per carry if you take out his fumble. When App threw the ball, they generally were successful. It's tough to stay ahead of the chains when you keep running into a brick wall with the same play every first down, getting a false start penalty, or some other issue.

Again, if App is unable to stretch the field vertically, they will not beat a P5 team like Georgia.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-05-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 12:31 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:22 AM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  App's gotta clean up the penalties; they kept UGA on the field for a couple of drives and killed App on offense a couple of times as well. I was encouraged at how well the defense played at times. The offense just looked a little overmatched against a good UGA D. App won't see another D that good this year so they should be alright. They have a chance to right the ship this week and get ready for Belt play on the 16th.
App hasn't seen a defense that good since 2008 at LSU.

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Taylor averaged 10 yards per carry if you take out his fumble. When App threw the ball, they generally were successful. It's tough to stay ahead of the chains when you keep running into a brick wall with the same play every first down, getting a false start penalty, or some other issue.

Again, if App is unable to stretch the field vertically, they will not beat a P5 team like Georgia.

There's G5 teams that will figure it out too. Just because it hasn't really happened yet doesn't mean the potential isn't there.

Ya'll weren't exactly ultra productive against us last year until mid/late 3rd quarter. We just didn't have the offense to match and ya'll ground on us until the floodgates opened.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-05-2017 01:16 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 12:31 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:22 AM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  App's gotta clean up the penalties; they kept UGA on the field for a couple of drives and killed App on offense a couple of times as well. I was encouraged at how well the defense played at times. The offense just looked a little overmatched against a good UGA D. App won't see another D that good this year so they should be alright. They have a chance to right the ship this week and get ready for Belt play on the 16th.
App hasn't seen a defense that good since 2008 at LSU.

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Taylor averaged 10 yards per carry if you take out his fumble. When App threw the ball, they generally were successful. It's tough to stay ahead of the chains when you keep running into a brick wall with the same play every first down, getting a false start penalty, or some other issue.

Again, if App is unable to stretch the field vertically, they will not beat a P5 team like Georgia.

There's G5 teams that will figure it out too. Just because it hasn't really happened yet doesn't mean the potential isn't there.

Ya'll weren't exactly ultra productive against us last year until mid/late 3rd quarter. We just didn't have the offense to match and ya'll ground on us until the floodgates opened.

App's defense has been good enough to keep the game close until that happens. The problem is that against guys like Michel and Chubb, the team doesn't have the time to let that happen.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:07 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

As long as we fix those penalties.

Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

I'm not blaming Taylor for running the plays as called. He is given the option to keep the ball on a read play however and multiple times he could've kept the ball, he didn't; that read isn't predetermined which is what I was referring to.

Taylor had plenty of time to take shots downfield, the receivers weren't creating enough separation on dig routes for him to feel comfortable throwing the ball.

Lastly, any time Taylor attacked the edges he was able to pick-up positive yards. The point of attacking the edges with the QB rather than the RB is to take the linebackers out of the play by forcing them to make a decision.

I wasn't discrediting Flory's play. I was crediting Fehr for the number of plays I saw him in on, his play on the TE for the interception, and his lone credited tackle where he met Swift in the hole and promptly drove him back into the ground with no help. Those plays occurred in about 3/4 of one quarters time.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-05-2017 01:16 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 12:31 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 10:22 AM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  App's gotta clean up the penalties; they kept UGA on the field for a couple of drives and killed App on offense a couple of times as well. I was encouraged at how well the defense played at times. The offense just looked a little overmatched against a good UGA D. App won't see another D that good this year so they should be alright. They have a chance to right the ship this week and get ready for Belt play on the 16th.
App hasn't seen a defense that good since 2008 at LSU.

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Taylor averaged 10 yards per carry if you take out his fumble. When App threw the ball, they generally were successful. It's tough to stay ahead of the chains when you keep running into a brick wall with the same play every first down, getting a false start penalty, or some other issue.

Again, if App is unable to stretch the field vertically, they will not beat a P5 team like Georgia.

There's G5 teams that will figure it out too. Just because it hasn't really happened yet doesn't mean the potential isn't there.

Ya'll weren't exactly ultra productive against us last year until mid/late 3rd quarter. We just didn't have the offense to match and ya'll ground on us until the floodgates opened.

Keep in mind our top two receivers and a top back-up did not play Saturday. Running two true freshmen - who actually did quite well - out against that crowd was not doing them any favors. Our passing game will be much improved this season once all the pieces get on the field.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-05-2017 01:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:07 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  I'm looking forward to 11-1 with a P5 win.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/mat...=400933831

As long as we fix those penalties.

Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

I'm not blaming Taylor for running the plays as called. He is given the option to keep the ball on a read play however and multiple times he could've kept the ball, he didn't; that read isn't predetermined which is what I was referring to.

Taylor had plenty of time to take shots downfield, the receivers weren't creating enough separation on dig routes for him to feel comfortable throwing the ball.

Lastly, any time Taylor attacked the edges he was able to pick-up positive yards. The point of attacking the edges with the QB rather than the RB is to take the linebackers out of the play by forcing them to make a decision.

I wasn't discrediting Flory's play. I was crediting Fehr for the number of plays I saw him in on, his play on the TE for the interception, and his lone credited tackle where he met Swift in the hole and promptly drove him back into the ground with no help. Those plays occurred in about 3/4 of one quarters time.

Those tall, athletic OLB's made it very difficult to throw the ball and run to the edges. Much of the time Taylor was running free it was after handing off. The DE or OLB was already pursing the ball carrier. Hannon did a fine job snapping the ball for a true freshman, but he was also giving up naerly 60 lbs to the NT and getting shoved into the backfield on most every snap. We had to give him help, which means one of those other big guys had a 1 on 1. Not good. I'd like to chart the time Taylor had to throw before he started to scramble, which he had to do a lot. It's easy to sit in the stands and second guess things. Stuff happens really fast on the field.
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(09-05-2017 04:34 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 07:07 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  As long as we fix those penalties.

Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

I'm not blaming Taylor for running the plays as called. He is given the option to keep the ball on a read play however and multiple times he could've kept the ball, he didn't; that read isn't predetermined which is what I was referring to.

Taylor had plenty of time to take shots downfield, the receivers weren't creating enough separation on dig routes for him to feel comfortable throwing the ball.

Lastly, any time Taylor attacked the edges he was able to pick-up positive yards. The point of attacking the edges with the QB rather than the RB is to take the linebackers out of the play by forcing them to make a decision.

I wasn't discrediting Flory's play. I was crediting Fehr for the number of plays I saw him in on, his play on the TE for the interception, and his lone credited tackle where he met Swift in the hole and promptly drove him back into the ground with no help. Those plays occurred in about 3/4 of one quarters time.

Those tall, athletic OLB's made it very difficult to throw the ball and run to the edges. Much of the time Taylor was running free it was after handing off. The DE or OLB was already pursing the ball carrier. Hannon did a fine job snapping the ball for a true freshman, but he was also giving up naerly 60 lbs to the NT and getting shoved into the backfield on most every snap. We had to give him help, which means one of those other big guys had a 1 on 1. Not good. I'd like to chart the time Taylor had to throw before he started to scramble, which he had to do a lot. It's easy to sit in the stands and second guess things. Stuff happens really fast on the field.

I don't believe it was ever in the game plan to try to go vertical on Georgia due to the greenhorns on the interior of the line. Taylor having open room to run occurred also when he kept the ball because the defenders were keying on the running backs; defenders that included the outside linebackers. The fact of the matter is that he had more opportunities to run the ball that weren't taken. If the defenders were that worried about Lamb running they would have followed even after him handing the ball off. This tells me they were not concerned with his running.

Even on the fumble after the long run, there was plenty of time to throw, there was just no where to go with the ball. The game plan needs to be tweaked to account for how opponents will be keying on the swing pass going forward. Should open up the middle of the field for the slot.
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(09-05-2017 05:07 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 04:34 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

I'm not blaming Taylor for running the plays as called. He is given the option to keep the ball on a read play however and multiple times he could've kept the ball, he didn't; that read isn't predetermined which is what I was referring to.

Taylor had plenty of time to take shots downfield, the receivers weren't creating enough separation on dig routes for him to feel comfortable throwing the ball.

Lastly, any time Taylor attacked the edges he was able to pick-up positive yards. The point of attacking the edges with the QB rather than the RB is to take the linebackers out of the play by forcing them to make a decision.

I wasn't discrediting Flory's play. I was crediting Fehr for the number of plays I saw him in on, his play on the TE for the interception, and his lone credited tackle where he met Swift in the hole and promptly drove him back into the ground with no help. Those plays occurred in about 3/4 of one quarters time.

Those tall, athletic OLB's made it very difficult to throw the ball and run to the edges. Much of the time Taylor was running free it was after handing off. The DE or OLB was already pursing the ball carrier. Hannon did a fine job snapping the ball for a true freshman, but he was also giving up naerly 60 lbs to the NT and getting shoved into the backfield on most every snap. We had to give him help, which means one of those other big guys had a 1 on 1. Not good. I'd like to chart the time Taylor had to throw before he started to scramble, which he had to do a lot. It's easy to sit in the stands and second guess things. Stuff happens really fast on the field.

I don't believe it was ever in the game plan to try to go vertical on Georgia due to the greenhorns on the interior of the line. Taylor having open room to run occurred also when he kept the ball because the defenders were keying on the running backs; defenders that included the outside linebackers. The fact of the matter is that he had more opportunities to run the ball that weren't taken. If the defenders were that worried about Lamb running they would have followed even after him handing the ball off. This tells me they were not concerned with his running.

Even on the fumble after the long run, there was plenty of time to throw, there was just no where to go with the ball. The game plan needs to be tweaked to account for how opponents will be keying on the swing pass going forward. Should open up the middle of the field for the slot.

How about you give Satterfield a call and explain all this to him. I'm sure he will be happy to hear your analysis and welcome your expertise on how he should straighten out his play calling and gameplan. I'm amazed at all the experts out there who have never coached a down in their life.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-05-2017 05:07 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 04:34 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-05-2017 01:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 04:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-04-2017 08:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  Keys: Taylor needs to keep more often on read option plays. Take shots deep to loosen up the middle of the field. Attack the edges early and often to open up gaps for misdirection between the tackles.

Fix those things, sustain some drives, the defense won't get gassed and start making mental errors. Jordan Fehr may need to start in the middle with Boggs as well. He stood up Swift multiple times, played the tight end perfectly over the middle on his interception, and looks to have the speed to play sideline to sideline.

Apparently you missed the game.
Taylor runs the plays sent in from the sidelines.
Taylor didn't have time to take deep shots down the field.
We were missing 2 Sr starters and a third back-up at WR.
Georgia's OLB's were so big, mobile and athletic we had a hard time "attacking the edges".
Anthony Flory played a heck of a game, He tied with Boggs & Stout with 6 tackles and had more primary stops than both of them..
Fehr was credited with 1 tackle.

I'm not blaming Taylor for running the plays as called. He is given the option to keep the ball on a read play however and multiple times he could've kept the ball, he didn't; that read isn't predetermined which is what I was referring to.

Taylor had plenty of time to take shots downfield, the receivers weren't creating enough separation on dig routes for him to feel comfortable throwing the ball.

Lastly, any time Taylor attacked the edges he was able to pick-up positive yards. The point of attacking the edges with the QB rather than the RB is to take the linebackers out of the play by forcing them to make a decision.

I wasn't discrediting Flory's play. I was crediting Fehr for the number of plays I saw him in on, his play on the TE for the interception, and his lone credited tackle where he met Swift in the hole and promptly drove him back into the ground with no help. Those plays occurred in about 3/4 of one quarters time.

Those tall, athletic OLB's made it very difficult to throw the ball and run to the edges. Much of the time Taylor was running free it was after handing off. The DE or OLB was already pursing the ball carrier. Hannon did a fine job snapping the ball for a true freshman, but he was also giving up naerly 60 lbs to the NT and getting shoved into the backfield on most every snap. We had to give him help, which means one of those other big guys had a 1 on 1. Not good. I'd like to chart the time Taylor had to throw before he started to scramble, which he had to do a lot. It's easy to sit in the stands and second guess things. Stuff happens really fast on the field.

I don't believe it was ever in the game plan to try to go vertical on Georgia due to the greenhorns on the interior of the line. Taylor having open room to run occurred also when he kept the ball because the defenders were keying on the running backs; defenders that included the outside linebackers. The fact of the matter is that he had more opportunities to run the ball that weren't taken. If the defenders were that worried about Lamb running they would have followed even after him handing the ball off. This tells me they were not concerned with his running.

Even on the fumble after the long run, there was plenty of time to throw, there was just no where to go with the ball. The game plan needs to be tweaked to account for how opponents will be keying on the swing pass going forward. Should open up the middle of the field for the slot.

I think everyone is right in thier analysis and combined probably have the most coverage of the issue.

Taylor has a slow release, and not as much zip as I'd personally like to see. It can't be fixed, or it would have been by now. He has added something else however, and that's a run threat. He's also got great leadership skills and game day management ability. His skill set limits AppState's options somewhat, and that does limit play calling.

App's play selection was further limited by the lack of experience at wide receiver. With two seniors temporarily out of the lineup, we had two freshman in that made thier first start against UGa.

Our OL could not impose the play against GA. I hope that is due to the strength of UGa and not a deeper problem, I don't know. All I know is TL had to make decisions a tad faster than he normally does, or run for his life.

Our receivers were blanketed by the best secondary we will play all year.

The amount of penalties, especially the personal fouls, were concerning and blunted some decent drives.

In general, we seem to still have a lack of depth on defense. They were out there a long time and except for a crazy sports center TD, held GA to under 30 points. Having said that: Georgia called off the dogs halfway through the third quarter. It they wanted to score more, they could have. We shouldn't kid ourselves.

In summary: not our best effort as a program... This was a team loss, not an individual one. Some things can be fixed, some things can't. But App needs to get over this hump or stop playing these elite teams and start scheduling games wth the bottom half of the ACC, SEC, and Big10 for P5 pay checks.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
I was disappointed in the penalties, but little else. I find it humerous people are always so critical of Taylor. As a starter he is 27-10. Three of the losses to Clemson, Tenn & Georgia and his first four as a true freshman. Since the Liberty game he is 27-6, 20-2 vs the Sunbelt.

The main reason we couldn't run or throw the ball - the Georgia Defense.
The App defense had 45 plays where they gave up 3 yards or less. That's an impressive stat against a really good SEC team. On the long gains we had some breakdowns and on 3 of their long runs some holding - as noted by ESPN announcers - that was not called.

App fans need to temper their expectations with the reality we're in our 4th season of FBS.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-06-2017 08:58 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I was disappointed in the penalties, but little else. I find it humerous people are always so critical of Taylor. As a starter he is 27-10. Three of the losses to Clemson, Tenn & Georgia and his first four as a true freshman. Since the Liberty game he is 27-6, 20-2 vs the Sunbelt.

The main reason we couldn't run or throw the ball - the Georgia Defense.
The App defense had 45 plays where they gave up 3 yards or less. That's an impressive stat against a really good SEC team. On the long gains we had some breakdowns and on 3 of their long runs some holding - as noted by ESPN announcers - that was not called.

App fans need to temper their expectations with the reality we're in our 4th season of FBS.

The thing about opinions is that everyone as one, and no one has a monopoly on the best perception of a situation.

The SBC and AppState are building thier brand. I personally don't think it helps to take a beating and then go undefeated in conference play. The perceived conference strength is why our SOS is so low this year. We should focus on high end G5's and lower end P5's until we have the talent to hang all 4 quarters with the likes of UGA, PSU, Clemson, VT, etc.

As for Taylor, he is not off limits for criticism because he QB's a team that has won a lot of games during his tenure. I think Taylor himself would acknowledge his weaknesses. The announcers calling the GA game I believe described Taylor as having "a slow wind-up". These things are not new. I think he is a great leader and a great representative of AppState, but he overachieves vs. his talent level. That's a tremendous credit to him in my opinion, but it also limits us and there is nothing wrong with saying it. It's why after watching TL play for 4 years I cringe when someone suggests he throw a long ball. I think I can count on one hand how many deep balls were caught with the receiver in stride.
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RE: OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: App State @ Georgia 6:15 EST ESPN
(09-06-2017 10:22 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 08:58 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I was disappointed in the penalties, but little else. I find it humerous people are always so critical of Taylor. As a starter he is 27-10. Three of the losses to Clemson, Tenn & Georgia and his first four as a true freshman. Since the Liberty game he is 27-6, 20-2 vs the Sunbelt.

The main reason we couldn't run or throw the ball - the Georgia Defense.
The App defense had 45 plays where they gave up 3 yards or less. That's an impressive stat against a really good SEC team. On the long gains we had some breakdowns and on 3 of their long runs some holding - as noted by ESPN announcers - that was not called.

App fans need to temper their expectations with the reality we're in our 4th season of FBS.

The thing about opinions is that everyone as one, and no one has a monopoly on the best perception of a situation.

The SBC and AppState are building thier brand. I personally don't think it helps to take a beating and then go undefeated in conference play. The perceived conference strength is why our SOS is so low this year. We should focus on high end G5's and lower end P5's until we have the talent to hang all 4 quarters with the likes of UGA, PSU, Clemson, VT, etc.

As for Taylor, he is not off limits for criticism because he QB's a team that has won a lot of games during his tenure. I think Taylor himself would acknowledge his weaknesses. The announcers calling the GA game I believe described Taylor as having "a slow wind-up". These things are not new. I think he is a great leader and a great representative of AppState, but he overachieves vs. his talent level. That's a tremendous credit to him in my opinion, but it also limits us and there is nothing wrong with saying it. It's why after watching TL play for 4 years I cringe when someone suggests he throw a long ball. I think I can count on one hand how many deep balls were caught with the receiver in stride.
The world is full of experts who have never played a down of organized football in their entire life.l
(09-06-2017 10:22 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(09-06-2017 08:58 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  I was disappointed in the penalties, but little else. I find it humerous people are always so critical of Taylor. As a starter he is 27-10. Three of the losses to Clemson, Tenn & Georgia and his first four as a true freshman. Since the Liberty game he is 27-6, 20-2 vs the Sunbelt.

The main reason we couldn't run or throw the ball - the Georgia Defense.
The App defense had 45 plays where they gave up 3 yards or less. That's an impressive stat against a really good SEC team. On the long gains we had some breakdowns and on 3 of their long runs some holding - as noted by ESPN announcers - that was not called.

App fans need to temper their expectations with the reality we're in our 4th season of FBS.

The thing about opinions is that everyone as one, and no one has a monopoly on the best perception of a situation.

The SBC and AppState are building thier brand. I personally don't think it helps to take a beating and then go undefeated in conference play. The perceived conference strength is why our SOS is so low this year. We should focus on high end G5's and lower end P5's until we have the talent to hang all 4 quarters with the likes of UGA, PSU, Clemson, VT, etc.

As for Taylor, he is not off limits for criticism because he QB's a team that has won a lot of games during his tenure. I think Taylor himself would acknowledge his weaknesses. The announcers calling the GA game I believe described Taylor as having "a slow wind-up". These things are not new. I think he is a great leader and a great representative of AppState, but he overachieves vs. his talent level. That's a tremendous credit to him in my opinion, but it also limits us and there is nothing wrong with saying it. It's why after watching TL play for 4 years I cringe when someone suggests he throw a long ball. I think I can count on one hand how many deep balls were caught with the receiver in stride.

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My issue is with fans who have never snapped on a helmet in organized football past Pop Warner acting like they know better than seasoned, successful coaches. Most couldn't tell you the difference in 2 man and cover 2 defense yet pontificate on we should do. Its amazing how many idiotic comments I hera in the stands from people without even a basic understanding of what the QB is looking at.
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