(08-25-2017 09:25 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 07:55 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Here's a look at a future ASUN FBS conference

North
UMass
Albany
Stony Brook
NJIT non fb
Delaware
James Madison
Liberty
EKU

South
Kennesaw St
Jax St
UNA-FCS
UWF-FCS
UNF
Jacksonville
Stetson
FGCU

The Big South and the America East will become feeder fcs leagues.

You do realize the divisions you posted are unbalanced for FB?

Won't happen. 100% guaranteed this will not happen.

Football would be single division. Know that this kind of post drives the Humpty Dumpy crowd crazy, but the P5 brick wall won't be easily broken, but the G5 wall is now toilet paper.

(08-25-2017 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  JMU is not a diplomat mill for online students like Liberty. The issue with Liberty is that they are not a UMASS. or a JMU. It is Liberty's politics that are strict since they are a Religious school. JMU is more inclusive that fits the other public FBS schools that they could attract schools to play there.

Comments like that, from people with power in college athletics, are why Liberty got a waiver that I don't expect anyone else to get.

(08-24-2017 07:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If JMU, or anyone else for that matter, it serious about moving up it would behoove them to contact other schools who are waffling on the decision to move up. If 4 or even 3 came in at the same time it would seriously alleviate the scheduling difficulties associated with being an independent. Throw those 3 or 4 in a scheduling pact with Liberty, UMass, and NMSU and you practically have a conference schedule.

I think there are few candidates out there who would think seriously about the move if they knew they would have the scheduling support. Some wouldn't even need to leave their current conferences: Missouri St, JMU, Youngstown St, Delaware, and Stony Brook could do so free and clear. Jacksonville St and EKU might get kicked out of the OVC for moving but they could just switch to the A-Sun.

That's an interesting concept: taking over the Atlantic Sun and using it as the vehicle to have a conference qualify as FBS. If JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany tried to use the CAA or America East for FBS purposes, they would have a ton of resistance. But get the A Sun to invite those four schools and maybe E Kentucky and Jacksonville St ànd it would nearly be FBS when all the transitions are done. NJIT is not a bad school to associate with, Lipscomb can go to the OVC, Upstate to the Big South, Kennesaw St would have an FBS path as would FGCU and UNF. It might even be favored by A Sun schools to upgrade the conference. Liberty could join too.

JMU wants a northeast presence as well as a Florida presence and the Sun Belt delivers zero on those fronts.

Stony Brook would be just fine staying in America East for other sports since it's a nonfootball league. I think JMU and Delaware could probably get away with staying in CAA too--all the nonfootball schools won't care what they do and won't try to vote them out and even if they were forced out America East would grab them both in a heartbeat.

(08-25-2017 04:37 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  JMU is not a diplomat mill for online students like Liberty. The issue with Liberty is that they are not a UMASS. or a JMU. It is Liberty's politics that are strict since they are a Religious school. JMU is more inclusive that fits the other public FBS schools that they could attract schools to play there.

Comments like that, from people with power in college athletics, are why Liberty got a waiver that I don't expect anyone else to get.

The problem FBS have right now are schools like Baylor and BYU. JMU is much more safer bet than Liberty about strict policies. BYU with their expelling rape victims and Baylor with their cover ups. Liberty is a much stricter University than the other 2, and the FBS wants to avoid headaches. That is why JMU could do better as an Independent than schools like Liberty, New Mexico State and Idaho. JMU have a much better stadium, and also fills the stadium than Idaho and New Mexico State.

(08-25-2017 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 07:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If JMU, or anyone else for that matter, it serious about moving up it would behoove them to contact other schools who are waffling on the decision to move up. If 4 or even 3 came in at the same time it would seriously alleviate the scheduling difficulties associated with being an independent. Throw those 3 or 4 in a scheduling pact with Liberty, UMass, and NMSU and you practically have a conference schedule.

I think there are few candidates out there who would think seriously about the move if they knew they would have the scheduling support. Some wouldn't even need to leave their current conferences: Missouri St, JMU, Youngstown St, Delaware, and Stony Brook could do so free and clear. Jacksonville St and EKU might get kicked out of the OVC for moving but they could just switch to the A-Sun.

That's an interesting concept: taking over the Atlantic Sun and using it as the vehicle to have a conference qualify as FBS. If JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany tried to use the CAA or America East for FBS purposes, they would have a ton of resistance. But get the A Sun to invite those four schools and maybe E Kentucky and Jacksonville St ànd it would nearly be FBS when all the transitions are done. NJIT is not a bad school to associate with, Lipscomb can go to the OVC, Upstate to the Big South, Kennesaw St would have an FBS path as would FGCU and UNF. It might even be favored by A Sun schools to upgrade the conference. Liberty could join too.

JMU wants a northeast presence as well as a Florida presence and the Sun Belt delivers zero on those fronts.

Stony Brook would be just fine staying in America East for other sports since it's a nonfootball league. I think JMU and Delaware could probably get away with staying in CAA too--all the nonfootball schools won't care what they do and won't try to vote them out and even if they were forced out America East would grab them both in a heartbeat.

It's CAA politics that kept Stony Brook and Albany out and some schools like Hofstra work overtime to keep SBU out as a full member even though Hofstra has dropped football.

The schools wanting to go FBS will need and want a conference that can be classified as FBS. America East and the CAA won't go there. The Atlantic Sun would. If JMU, Delaware, SBU etc are serious about FBS, they will have to move together to a conference that is open to it. An FBS conference with at least 8 FBS schools is worth millions annually just in CFP payments when the CFP deal is renewed.

(08-25-2017 10:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 07:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If JMU, or anyone else for that matter, it serious about moving up it would behoove them to contact other schools who are waffling on the decision to move up. If 4 or even 3 came in at the same time it would seriously alleviate the scheduling difficulties associated with being an independent. Throw those 3 or 4 in a scheduling pact with Liberty, UMass, and NMSU and you practically have a conference schedule.

I think there are few candidates out there who would think seriously about the move if they knew they would have the scheduling support. Some wouldn't even need to leave their current conferences: Missouri St, JMU, Youngstown St, Delaware, and Stony Brook could do so free and clear. Jacksonville St and EKU might get kicked out of the OVC for moving but they could just switch to the A-Sun.

That's an interesting concept: taking over the Atlantic Sun and using it as the vehicle to have a conference qualify as FBS. If JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany tried to use the CAA or America East for FBS purposes, they would have a ton of resistance. But get the A Sun to invite those four schools and maybe E Kentucky and Jacksonville St ànd it would nearly be FBS when all the transitions are done. NJIT is not a bad school to associate with, Lipscomb can go to the OVC, Upstate to the Big South, Kennesaw St would have an FBS path as would FGCU and UNF. It might even be favored by A Sun schools to upgrade the conference. Liberty could join too.

JMU wants a northeast presence as well as a Florida presence and the Sun Belt delivers zero on those fronts.

Stony Brook would be just fine staying in America East for other sports since it's a nonfootball league. I think JMU and Delaware could probably get away with staying in CAA too--all the nonfootball schools won't care what they do and won't try to vote them out and even if they were forced out America East would grab them both in a heartbeat.

It's CAA politics that kept Stony Brook and Albany out and some schools like Hofstra work overtime to keep SBU out as a full member even though Hofstra has dropped football.

The schools wanting to go FBS will need and want a conference that can be classified as FBS. America East and the CAA won't go there. The Atlantic Sun would. If JMU, Delaware, SBU etc are serious about FBS, they will have to move together to a conference that is open to it. An FBS conference with at least 8 FBS schools is worth millions annually just in CFP payments when the CFP deal is renewed.

Southern Conference was a former 1A and a major power conference at one time with the ACC, SEC and some other schools in it. Asun does not have a history. Move the football schools including Kennesaw State, North Alabama, Eastern Kentucky, Youngstown State and Jacksonville State there. Bring the Southern privates up to CAA.

Northern:
Youngstown State
Towson
Stony Brook
Albany
New Hampshire
James Madison
Delaware

Southern:
Kennesaw State
Jacksonville State
North Alabama
East Tennessee State
Chatanooga
North Florida (when they add football)
Eastern Kentucky
That makes 14 FBS schools in several states. Southern States have Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida and Kentucky. Northern states have Virginia, Delaware, New Hampshire, New York, Ohio and Maryland. I do not think any of these schools want anything to do with Liberty.


The rest of the Southern Conference moves to the CAA.

(08-25-2017 10:56 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-25-2017 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 07:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 05:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If JMU, or anyone else for that matter, it serious about moving up it would behoove them to contact other schools who are waffling on the decision to move up. If 4 or even 3 came in at the same time it would seriously alleviate the scheduling difficulties associated with being an independent. Throw those 3 or 4 in a scheduling pact with Liberty, UMass, and NMSU and you practically have a conference schedule.

I think there are few candidates out there who would think seriously about the move if they knew they would have the scheduling support. Some wouldn't even need to leave their current conferences: Missouri St, JMU, Youngstown St, Delaware, and Stony Brook could do so free and clear. Jacksonville St and EKU might get kicked out of the OVC for moving but they could just switch to the A-Sun.

That's an interesting concept: taking over the Atlantic Sun and using it as the vehicle to have a conference qualify as FBS. If JMU, Delaware, Stony Brook, and Albany tried to use the CAA or America East for FBS purposes, they would have a ton of resistance. But get the A Sun to invite those four schools and maybe E Kentucky and Jacksonville St ànd it would nearly be FBS when all the transitions are done. NJIT is not a bad school to associate with, Lipscomb can go to the OVC, Upstate to the Big South, Kennesaw St would have an FBS path as would FGCU and UNF. It might even be favored by A Sun schools to upgrade the conference. Liberty could join too.

JMU wants a northeast presence as well as a Florida presence and the Sun Belt delivers zero on those fronts.

Stony Brook would be just fine staying in America East for other sports since it's a nonfootball league. I think JMU and Delaware could probably get away with staying in CAA too--all the nonfootball schools won't care what they do and won't try to vote them out and even if they were forced out America East would grab them both in a heartbeat.

It's CAA politics that kept Stony Brook and Albany out and some schools like Hofstra work overtime to keep SBU out as a full member even though Hofstra has dropped football.

The schools wanting to go FBS will need and want a conference that can be classified as FBS. America East and the CAA won't go there. The Atlantic Sun would. If JMU, Delaware, SBU etc are serious about FBS, they will have to move together to a conference that is open to it. An FBS conference with at least 8 FBS schools is worth millions annually just in CFP payments when the CFP deal is renewed.

If Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, UNC Wilmington, and Charleston can all be in the CAA without FCS football I'm pretty sure JMU can as well. If JMU can't have full membership in C-USA I think they'd prefer to either be FBS independent or a football affiliate.

Now I see where you are going with the A-Sun. Jacksonville and EKU would probably be kicked out of their current leagues for an FBS move. The A-Sun could nominally be the sponsoring conference for the merry band of misfits that would include the aforementioned plus Liberty, JMU, UMass, NMSU and anyone else they could convince to participate.

Where I see this benefitting the A-Sun is that gives it a much needed membership boost by adding 2 full members to a league that has bottom of the totem poll status in the Southeast. It also gives a future path to FBS for large state schools like Kennesaw St, FGCU, and North Florida should they choose to field a program in the future.

Potential A-Sun FBS football:
UMass
JMU
Liberty
Youngstown St
EKU (full member)
Jacksonville St (full member)
Missouri St
NMSU

To me that's a solid base to start with maybe future adds being Stony Brook, UT Chattanooga (full member), and new/upgraded programs from current A-Sun members. Maybe a Texas school or two jumps into the mix.

Why hijack ASUN? If there are enough nearby FCS schools that are able to move up to FBS together, they can create their own conference. That way, JMU, Liberty, UMass, YSU, etc. don't have to go independent. (Not that FBS needs any more teams, mind you. And the G5 won't be happy about more competition for CFP money.)

(08-26-2017 07:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Why hijack ASUN? If there are enough nearby FCS schools that are able to move up to FBS together, they can create their own conference. That way, JMU, Liberty, UMass, YSU, etc. don't have to go independent. (Not that FBS needs any more teams, mind you. And the G5 won't be happy about more competition for CFP money.)

Hijacking the A-Sun makes since because a few of the schools who could potentially flirt with an FBS upgrade would be kicked out of their FCS conferences for doing so. Others: Youngstown St (Horizon), Missouri St (MVC), JMU (CAA), and Stony Brook (AEC) would not face expulsion and would probably prefer to stay in their current leagues for the rest of their athletic departments.

As you might recall, it's very difficult to just start a league and there are financial and auto-bid implications involved in doing so. The A-Sun would love to grab a pair of OVC schools and would probably be glad to do it. These schools really only need a football relationship so this works perfectly.

I also think a few A-Sun schools might be able to benefit from the realignment carousel that would be caused by adding Jacksnville St and EKU:

OVC needs 2 (preferably FB)--short list: UNA, Kennesaw St, ETSU, UT Chatanooga, WIU, and non-FB Libscomb
UNA and Kennesaw St could potentially land in a better FCS league than Big South affiliate status

If openings occur in the SoCon their private school shortlist is Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, Presbyterian, Campbell, Jacksonville, Stetson (and public Kennesaw St)
could create a Big South Slot for USC Upstate.

FGCU is likely stuck in the Atlantic Sun unless if it goes FBS, and Stetson may be stuck there as well since FBS for them is unrealistic. Jacksonville and North Florida are at least on the edge of the SoCon footprint. The problem with using the Atlantic Sun is that Kennesaw State is the only realistic medium to long term FBS candidate currently in the conference. It would be more efficient to repurpose the MVC or CAA, who will likely have 3-4 of their own schools wanting to move to FBS. Delaware and James Madison (and maybe Towson) might even move to America East before hand to facilitate an America East/MAC reshuffle:

Years 2-3 (Year 1, transitioning schools compete as FCS independents)
MAC (*football only)
West - Missouri State*, Northern Iowa*, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo
East - Bowling Green, Miami-OH, Buffalo, Kent, Akron, Ohio, James Madison*, Delaware*

The CAA backfills with Maine, New Hampshire, and possibly Albany (depending on Towson) to replace its departed members.

Year 4
MAC
Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Miami-OH, Toledo, Illinois State (FCS transitional), Southern Illinois (FCS transitional)

America East
Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green, Ohio, Akron, Kent, Buffalo, James Madison, Delaware, Stony Brook (FCS transition), Towson (FCS transition)

MVC takes SIUe, Eastern Illinois, Murray State, and SEMO from the OVC

OVC takes North Alabama and Kennesaw State from the Atlantic Sun (Big South football), non-football Lipscomb from the Atlantic Sun, and Chattanooga from the SoCon. The SoCon takes Gardner-Webb from the Big South. The Big South takes USC Upstate from the Atlantic Sun. The Atlantic Sun then takes the non-football contingent from America East.

Atalntic Sun
Vermont, UMass-Lowell, Hartford, NJIT, UMBC, FGCU, UNF, Jacksonville, Stetson

CAA
Maine, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Albany, Hofstra, Drexel, William & Mary, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston
(Football only: Monmouth, Villanova, Rhode Island, Richmond, Presbyterian, Charleston Southern, Campbell

The problem is that you guys want to put New Mexico State somewhere? They should not be in the A_Sun. That should be the WAC point to start with Big Sky, Summit, West Texas A&M, UT-Permian Basin and Southland schools that have football stadiums to be in compliance.

North Alabama do have the capacity with temp seatings to meat the 15,000+. I could use them as a starting point for A-Sun football along with Kennesaw State for FBS. You need them as a bridge point for the Florida schools with James Madison and Delaware. North Alabama in the west part not that far from Jacksonville State and Chattanooga. We need not forget that there are three Southland schools been looking to join FBS as well.

(08-24-2017 08:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There are two dynamics at work here. First, lets look at costs. Coaching and facilities costs are off the charts. Then there is the impact of FCOA charges. These costs are going to continue to rise for at least the next five years. This will be led by the P5 teams competing with each other.

Now, lets look at this revenue side of the equation. TV revenues are going to fall in total as people move away from cable over the next 10 years. Sports in general, and football in particular is now valued mainly on 'must take' cable TV contracts focusing on people who generally don't watch college/pro football. This is how we ended up with Rutgers in the B1G and the Chargers in Los Angeles. This is unsustainable. This revenue will fall and will fall significantly. Next, the process of heavy subsidies by students, many of whom don't show up at games and could really care less about their football team. When the new contracts come out, they will be lower. And next time the major hits are going to fall on certain P5 programs. This will fall down towards G5 and FCS programs in the form of lower payday game revenue.

How the hell does Maryland or Mississippi State or Oregon State or Indiana football generate anywhere near the eyeballs to justify the amount of money they currently receive in payments, if those payments are going to be based more on real support, rather on the payments of people who have cable to watch HGTV?

Should students at UMass have to borrow 4 grand over the course of 4 years to subsidize FBS football in order to get an Engineering degree?

These massive subsidies are unsustainable, especially in the face of declining interest in FBS football.

Enjoy the flush with cash phase guys...its coming to an end soon.

The bold item is an example of the continued slander campaign. 4 grand my a$$. The students pay $240 and do the math, 8.8M student subsidy and around 22k undergrads.

The massive subsidy is to high as a percentage but Massachusetts supports one FBS program and it is a massive four dollars per person, massive. Remember we are starting up FBS with a number of mis-steps, so it's taking long than we like, but that percentage will go down.

Back to JMU. They will not move up because their administration does not want to, despite fully capable of being FBS.

(08-26-2017 10:07 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(08-24-2017 08:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  ... Should students at UMass have to borrow 4 grand over the course of 4 years to subsidize FBS football in order to get an Engineering degree? ...

The bold item is an example of the continued slander campaign. 4 grand my a$$. The students pay $240 and do the math, 8.8M student subsidy and around 22k undergrads.

The massive subsidy is to high as a percentage but Massachusetts supports one FBS program and it is a massive four dollars per person, massive.

$8.8m/$22k =/= $4.
$8.8m/$22k = $400.

So that's not $4,000 over 4 years, it's $1,600 over 4 years. Based on "the students pay $240", it'd be $1,920 over eight semesters. So somewhere in the ball park of $1.5k~$2k.

But the customer always pays for the marketing budget, this is just a case where it's broken out more than it often is. The question is whether the marketing exposure that UMass receives is worth it.

(08-26-2017 09:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is that you guys want to put New Mexico State somewhere? They should not be in the A_Sun. That should be the WAC point to start with Big Sky, Summit, West Texas A&M, UT-Permian Basin and Southland schools that have football stadiums to be in compliance.

North Alabama do have the capacity with temp seatings to meat the 15,000+. I could use them as a starting point for A-Sun football along with Kennesaw State for FBS. You need them as a bridge point for the Florida schools with James Madison and Delaware. North Alabama in the west part not that far from Jacksonville State and Chattanooga. We need not forget that there are three Southland schools been looking to join FBS as well.

David, as a native Alabamian, I can assure you there is no chance of North Alabama going FBS within 20 years. Their entire student body can fit in the stadium nearly twice over, and UNA isn't officially a member of Division I until 2022 (if all goes well; Presbyterian actually had to repeat a transition year).

Realistically their enrollment needs to get closer to that of South Alabama (now nearing 17,000) before FBS is a realistic possibility.

Jacksonville State may be more prepared athletically, but their enrollment is not much larger than UNA's. They aren't moving either, especially with Kennesaw State 50 miles down the road having four times as many students.

(08-26-2017 09:07 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  FGCU is likely stuck in the Atlantic Sun unless if it goes FBS, and Stetson may be stuck there as well since FBS for them is unrealistic. Jacksonville and North Florida are at least on the edge of the SoCon footprint. The problem with using the Atlantic Sun is that Kennesaw State is the only realistic medium to long term FBS candidate currently in the conference. It would be more efficient to repurpose the MVC or CAA, who will likely have 3-4 of their own schools wanting to move to FBS. Delaware and James Madison (and maybe Towson) might even move to America East before hand to facilitate an America East/MAC reshuffle:

Years 2-3 (Year 1, transitioning schools compete as FCS independents)
MAC (*football only)
West - Missouri State*, Northern Iowa*, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo
East - Bowling Green, Miami-OH, Buffalo, Kent, Akron, Ohio, James Madison*, Delaware*

The CAA backfills with Maine, New Hampshire, and possibly Albany (depending on Towson) to replace its departed members.

Year 4
MAC
Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Miami-OH, Toledo, Illinois State (FCS transitional), Southern Illinois (FCS transitional)

America East
Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green, Ohio, Akron, Kent, Buffalo, James Madison, Delaware, Stony Brook (FCS transition), Towson (FCS transition)

MVC takes SIUe, Eastern Illinois, Murray State, and SEMO from the OVC

OVC takes North Alabama and Kennesaw State from the Atlantic Sun (Big South football), non-football Lipscomb from the Atlantic Sun, and Chattanooga from the SoCon. The SoCon takes Gardner-Webb from the Big South. The Big South takes USC Upstate from the Atlantic Sun. The Atlantic Sun then takes the non-football contingent from America East.

Atalntic Sun
Vermont, UMass-Lowell, Hartford, NJIT, UMBC, FGCU, UNF, Jacksonville, Stetson

CAA
Maine, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Albany, Hofstra, Drexel, William & Mary, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston
(Football only: Monmouth, Villanova, Rhode Island, Richmond, Presbyterian, Charleston Southern, Campbell

MAC schools do not want to leave their tight travel footprint for another mid major situation.

What could have made sense 10 years ago is if 8 MAC schools moved over to the MVC and that became an FBS football conference that was 4-5 bids in basketball. With the MAC having a big TV deal and Wichita/Creighton gone that is out the door.

These ideas with MAC schools transitioning to the American East don't have economics behind them.

As to James Madison they would be the 5th Virginia FBS school if they moved up. The MAC has no excitement at this point for transitioning JMU up.

(08-26-2017 09:07 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  FGCU is likely stuck in the Atlantic Sun unless if it goes FBS, and Stetson may be stuck there as well since FBS for them is unrealistic. Jacksonville and North Florida are at least on the edge of the SoCon footprint. The problem with using the Atlantic Sun is that Kennesaw State is the only realistic medium to long term FBS candidate currently in the conference. It would be more efficient to repurpose the MVC or CAA, who will likely have 3-4 of their own schools wanting to move to FBS. Delaware and James Madison (and maybe Towson) might even move to America East before hand to facilitate an America East/MAC reshuffle:

Years 2-3 (Year 1, transitioning schools compete as FCS independents)
MAC (*football only)
West - Missouri State*, Northern Iowa*, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo
East - Bowling Green, Miami-OH, Buffalo, Kent, Akron, Ohio, James Madison*, Delaware*

The CAA backfills with Maine, New Hampshire, and possibly Albany (depending on Towson) to replace its departed members.

Year 4
MAC
Missouri State, Northern Iowa, Northern Illinois, Ball State, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Miami-OH, Toledo, Illinois State (FCS transitional), Southern Illinois (FCS transitional)

America East
Eastern Michigan, Bowling Green, Ohio, Akron, Kent, Buffalo, James Madison, Delaware, Stony Brook (FCS transition), Towson (FCS transition)

MVC takes SIUe, Eastern Illinois, Murray State, and SEMO from the OVC

OVC takes North Alabama and Kennesaw State from the Atlantic Sun (Big South football), non-football Lipscomb from the Atlantic Sun, and Chattanooga from the SoCon. The SoCon takes Gardner-Webb from the Big South. The Big South takes USC Upstate from the Atlantic Sun. The Atlantic Sun then takes the non-football contingent from America East.

Atalntic Sun
Vermont, UMass-Lowell, Hartford, NJIT, UMBC, FGCU, UNF, Jacksonville, Stetson

CAA
Maine, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Albany, Hofstra, Drexel, William & Mary, Elon, UNCW, College of Charleston
(Football only: Monmouth, Villanova, Rhode Island, Richmond, Presbyterian, Charleston Southern, Campbell

No, just no.........

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MAC is kind of like the MWC these days in that nobody is going anywhere short of a P5 invite.

Even the AAC. The AAC has if they lose 2, 3, 4 schools they might drop down to an even number like 10 or 8 plus they would be weakened and lose all tweener claims. Its then maybe 1 opening in the AAC when the time comes. MAC universities aren't going to want to add 20 million to their budgets to join when they don't need to.

Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis leave what is left of AAC football? Temple and USF? The depth in AAC football isn't going to be there like it is today.

MAC is not at risk of losing members. The MAC doesn't have financial incentive to gain members.

(08-26-2017 09:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is that you guys want to put New Mexico State somewhere? They should not be in the A_Sun. That should be the WAC point to start with Big Sky, Summit, West Texas A&M, UT-Permian Basin and Southland schools that have football stadiums to be in compliance.

North Alabama do have the capacity with temp seatings to meat the 15,000+. I could use them as a starting point for A-Sun football along with Kennesaw State for FBS. You need them as a bridge point for the Florida schools with James Madison and Delaware. North Alabama in the west part not that far from Jacksonville State and Chattanooga. We need not forget that there are three Southland schools been looking to join FBS as well.

You seem to be missing that schools generally do not vault straight from DII to the FBS. North Alabama isn't even joining the FCS until a few years from now, and it's not like they'll be immediate FBS candidates.

The stupid in this thread started by certain people is just mind boggling.