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I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

people most certainly would be offended if robert lee announced that game. people would shout epsn down because how could anyone be so cruel at a time like this? shame on you epsn, we thought you were cool

(08-23-2017 03:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

Were those fellas who were doing the Nazi salute and screaming obscenities acting with respect and civility,? Seems like they were going more for divisiveness and disrespect. Weren't they likely trying to "bait" others?

(08-23-2017 03:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

Were those fellas who were doing the Nazi salute and screaming obscenities acting with respect and civility?

Not a chance in h*ll. Were the students who staged a walkout at a graduation ceremony of a keynote speaker acting with respect and civility?

(08-23-2017 02:20 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Any chance the mods could begin censoring the words snowflake and trigger? I would be thrilled to never read those words again.

I just wish everyone could use a bit of common sense. Can PC stuff go to far? Of course, but saying that statues(which are essentially shrines meant commemorate something) dedicated to the confederacy ON public lands are the same thing as the car from Dukes of Hazard is just dumb. You would have to be a magnificently stupid person to equate the two.

And you would be a magnificently stupid person to equate Robert E. Lee with nothing but the confederacy. He was more than a confederate general, he was also tremendously important with regard to westward expansion, as he helped secure multiple victories during the Mexican American war and was one of the officers who marched from Vera Cruz to Mexico City. He was also superintendent of West Point(which has a barracks named in honor of him) and during reconstruction, he reached across party lines to help rebuild the country. Yes, he owned slaves. So did the founding fathers.
Further more, confederate soldiers were given the same status as US soldiers in 1958, which means they fall under the same federal protections and their descendants were eligible for the same federal pensions as any other US soldier. They aren't a monolith unto themselves, they are a part of US history.

Only fascists and savages tear down art and burn books. Maybe the people protesting the statues, could get a life, instead of broadcasting their collective ignorance to the world. Then, people might take them as something other than spoiled brats, who feel a need to have their own biases confirmed at every wake and turn. It's not just the statues though, students protesting Halloween costumes, white milk(http://www.dailywire.com/news/14492/coll...t-hamilton) and all sorts of other frivolous things.
At a certain point, as a society I feel we have to do what their parents obviously failed to do, and tell them just to shut the hell up and get a life.

Tearing down confederate statues is no different than Imperial Japan burning Chinese/Korean libraries or Turkey tearing down the Gallipoli monument honoring the dead of WWI.
You can't undo history. Sometimes life sucks but as a functioning adult, we, the rest of planet earth, expect you to get over it. Every day children are disappointed that they can't have everything they want, I don't reward them for their tantrums, why should these ***** be treated any different?

(08-23-2017 03:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

Respect everyone is always a great start. For those who like quick inspirational speeches that are non political ( is it indeed possible? Yes!)
Watch the University of Texas at Austin 2014 Commencement Address - Admiral William H. McRaven. (google it)

(08-23-2017 03:14 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

Were those fellas who were doing the Nazi salute and screaming obscenities acting with respect and civility?

Not a chance in h*ll. Were the students who staged a walkout at a graduation ceremony of a keynote speaker acting with respect and civility?

Nope but you only mentioned white, privileged people being baited. Respect and civility is great as long as it goes both ways.

(08-23-2017 03:19 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 02:20 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  Any chance the mods could begin censoring the words snowflake and trigger? I would be thrilled to never read those words again.

I just wish everyone could use a bit of common sense. Can PC stuff go to far? Of course, but saying that statues(which are essentially shrines meant commemorate something) dedicated to the confederacy ON public lands are the same thing as the car from Dukes of Hazard is just dumb. You would have to be a magnificently stupid person to equate the two.

And you would be a magnificently stupid person to equate Robert E. Lee with nothing but the confederacy. He was more than a confederate general, he was also tremendously important with regard to westward expansion, as he helped secure multiple victories during the Mexican American war and was one of the officers who marched from Vera Cruz to Mexico City. He was also superintendent of West Point(which has a barracks named in honor of him) and during reconstruction, he reached across party lines to help rebuild the country. Yes, he owned slaves. So did the founding fathers.
Further more, confederate soldiers were given the same status as US soldiers in 1958, which means they fall under the same federal protections and their descendants were eligible for the same federal pensions as any other US soldier. They aren't a monolith unto themselves, they are a part of US history.

Only fascists and savages tear down art and burn books. Maybe the people protesting the statues, could get a life, instead of broadcasting their collective ignorance to the world. Then, people might take them as something other than spoiled brats, who feel a need to have their own biases confirmed at every wake and turn. It's not just the statues though, students protesting Halloween costumes, white milk(http://www.dailywire.com/news/14492/coll...t-hamilton) and all sorts of other frivolous things.
At a certain point, as a society I feel we have to do what their parents obviously failed to do, and tell them just to shut the hell up and get a life.

Tearing down confederate statues is no different than Imperial Japan burning Chinese/Korean libraries or Turkey tearing down the Gallipoli monument honoring the dead of WWI.
You can't undo history. Sometimes life sucks but as a functioning adult, we, the rest of planet earth, expect you to get over it. Every day children are disappointed that they can't have everything they want, I don't reward them for their tantrums, why should these ***** be treated any different?

It seems to me that your view is either nothing should ever change or everyone trying to change anything is a whiny, spoiled brat. Is that right?

(08-23-2017 03:48 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  It seems to me that your view is either nothing should ever change or everyone trying to change anything is a whiny, spoiled brat. Is that right?

My view is that people who have the time to stand around, with $700 smart phones and vag out about cultural appropriation and privilege while people in South Sudan don't know whether their family will be gathered together and culled like animals are garbage. Human garbage. They are the privileged ones, they are the pampered, parasitic, irrational, bigoted, vacuous idiots they portray everyone else as being. If you're in 21st century America and you're not a prostitute or a first generation immigrant, **** you for complaining about your first world problems. You are a consumerist fat ass who needs to get over himself. Are things perfect? No. Is tearing down a statue going to improve that? No.

It's a cry for attention, a bunch of dick waving(under the guise of caring no less) by people who get off on virtue signaling to other privileged D'bags. In such instances, I feel the need to wave mine back at 'em. You're not Rosa Parks, you're not MLK, you're not Huey Newton, you're a symptom of a consumerist society that has lost any sense of purpose and identity. Same as those rubes larping as Waffen SS members, the difference is, it's your constant demand for compromise that brought up that lack of purpose or national identity. You're perpetuating the problem, not helping it. If they're so desperate to make a difference, get off the streets and let people who have actual responsibilities and problems get back to work.

They aren't revolutionaries, they're the reality show stars of political organization. No talent, no achievements, no sense of humility or self worth. The Kim Kardashians of political discourse. How you feel about Big Brother or The Bachelorette is how I feel about these folks.

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Same as those rubes larping as Waffen SS members, the difference is, it's your constant demand for compromise that brought up that lack of purpose or national identity.

So to clarify, you are ok with the white supremacists protesting, but no other protesting?

(08-23-2017 03:45 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:14 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

Were those fellas who were doing the Nazi salute and screaming obscenities acting with respect and civility?

Not a chance in h*ll. Were the students who staged a walkout at a graduation ceremony of a keynote speaker acting with respect and civility?

Nope but you only mentioned white, privileged people being baited. Respect and civility is great as long as it goes both ways.

Respect people always...must go both ways. Only mentioned "white, privileged" because of the current media narrative today. Just looking at my notes from Hybels talk, talking about the disrespect from both sides of the aisle, disrespect between numerous groups in America. Easier said than done looking at his rules below...imagine if politicians could have engaging, respectful disagreements while working for the people

10 rules for respect every leader must obey

1. Leaders set the example of how to differ with others without demonizing them.
2. Leaders must set the example of how to have spirited conversations without drawing blood.
3. Leaders must not interrupt others who are talking and must not dominate the conversation.
4. Leaders must set the example of limiting their volume levels and refuse to use belittling words.
5. Leaders must set the example of being courteous in word and deed.
6. Leaders must never stereotype.
7. Leaders must apologize when they’re wrong.
8. Leaders must form opinions carefully and stay open minded if better information comes along.
9. Leaders must set the example of showing up when they say they will show up.
10. Leaders must set rules of respect and enforce them relentlessly.

Civility code

1. We will greet each other and acknowledge each other.
2. We will say please and thank you.
3. We will treat each other with respect.
4. We will be direct, sensitive and honest.
5. We will address incivility whenever it occurs.

(08-23-2017 04:23 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:45 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:14 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:04 PM)SeniorBearcat Wrote:  I'm losing track of causes I should be losing sleep over because it might offend somebody..."In God We Trust" since 1957 on paper currency must go, take down the statues, gender neutral bathrooms, that's (insert Racism), etc etc etc. How many of these groups are looking to “bait” a white person (OBVIOUSLY with a privileged background) into acting / commenting, so that they can be quickly shamed.

Big fan of Bill Hybels and he opened up the 2017 GLS summit with the question of "How do leaders lead in an era of divisiveness and disrespect?" The solution has to begin with me as a leader...respect everyone always. Our world has a civility problem, and it needs leaders to change the course of our world….then went on to talk about rules for respect and civility that are lacking nowadays.

Were those fellas who were doing the Nazi salute and screaming obscenities acting with respect and civility?

Not a chance in h*ll. Were the students who staged a walkout at a graduation ceremony of a keynote speaker acting with respect and civility?

Nope but you only mentioned white, privileged people being baited. Respect and civility is great as long as it goes both ways.

Respect people always...must go both ways. Only mentioned "white, privileged" because of the current media narrative today. Just looking at my notes from Hybels talk, talking about the disrespect from both sides of the aisle, disrespect between numerous groups in America. Easier said than done looking at his rules below...imagine if politicians could have engaging, respectful disagreements while working for the people

10 rules for respect every leader must obey

1. Leaders set the example of how to differ with others without demonizing them.
2. Leaders must set the example of how to have spirited conversations without drawing blood.
3. Leaders must not interrupt others who are talking and must not dominate the conversation.
4. Leaders must set the example of limiting their volume levels and refuse to use belittling words.
5. Leaders must set the example of being courteous in word and deed.
6. Leaders must never stereotype.
7. Leaders must apologize when they’re wrong.
8. Leaders must form opinions carefully and stay open minded if better information comes along.
9. Leaders must set the example of showing up when they say they will show up.
10. Leaders must set rules of respect and enforce them relentlessly.

Civility code

1. We will greet each other and acknowledge each other.
2. We will say please and thank you.
3. We will treat each other with respect.
4. We will be direct, sensitive and honest.
5. We will address incivility whenever it occurs.

All of this stuff seems like common sense doesn't it? Which just echoes what I said earlier. If we all just used some common sense we'd all be a lot better off.

(08-23-2017 03:19 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Sometimes life sucks but as a functioning adult, we, the rest of planet earth, expect you to get over it. Every day children are disappointed that they can't have everything they want, I don't reward them for their tantrums, why should these ***** be treated any different?

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  It's a cry for attention, a bunch of dick waving

Perhaps a mirror is in order.

(08-23-2017 04:32 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:19 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Sometimes life sucks but as a functioning adult, we, the rest of planet earth, expect you to get over it. Every day children are disappointed that they can't have everything they want, I don't reward them for their tantrums, why should these ***** be treated any different?

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  It's a cry for attention, a bunch of dick waving

Perhaps a mirror is in order.

Am I standing in public, protesting something inanimate and completely harmless, like a statue? Am I in people's faces about their costume choices for Halloween? All the while thumping my chest with a bunch of other robots parroting the same bull ****? No. I think not.

(08-23-2017 04:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Same as those rubes larping as Waffen SS members, the difference is, it's your constant demand for compromise that brought up that lack of purpose or national identity.

So to clarify, you are ok with the white supremacists protesting, but no other protesting?

To clarify, anyone has the right to free assembly and free speech. They don't have the right to damage property, private or public.

Nobody, however...has the right to be heard. And nobody, has the right to have their demands met if they violate the rule of law.

That there...is in the good 'ol Constitution!

(08-23-2017 05:05 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 04:32 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 03:19 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Sometimes life sucks but as a functioning adult, we, the rest of planet earth, expect you to get over it. Every day children are disappointed that they can't have everything they want, I don't reward them for their tantrums, why should these ***** be treated any different?

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  It's a cry for attention, a bunch of dick waving

Perhaps a mirror is in order.

Am I standing in public, protesting something inanimate and completely harmless, like a statue? Am I in people's faces about their costume choices for Halloween? All the while thumping my chest with a bunch of other robots parroting the same bull ****? No. I think not.

You forgot marching with torches...screaming inflammatory things... and thumping your chest with a bunch of other robots making Nazi gestures.

(08-23-2017 04:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Same as those rubes larping as Waffen SS members, the difference is, it's your constant demand for compromise that brought up that lack of purpose or national identity.

So to clarify, you are ok with the white supremacists protesting, but no other protesting?

Where did you infer that from? I said without the one, the other isn't nearly as big and noisy. It's attitudes like that, that are going to create even more neo-nazis. If people would stop trying to control what others think and say so much, everyone would be way calmer than they are now. If progressives actually cared about meaningful change rather than just stirring **** up, they would have shut up after the late 80's early 90's. This isn't the Montgomery Bus committee going up against Jim Crow, this is a bunch of pampered man-babies quarreling over a STATUE!
An inanimate object has offered you such offense that you took to the streets with clubs. Why isn't that something to be locked in a looney bin and doped up on Thorazine over? It's certainly not reasonable. At best, you're telling me you're a ******* imbecile. At worst, you're a skitzo who thinks statues can oppress and offend. It's a fixed object, it has no power. Do you understand there are people with medical bills, kids, workplaces that are going under that don't take to the streets and yet, you want to sit there and complain about a statue? Jesus Christ....

(08-23-2017 05:15 PM)Not Duane Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 04:09 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 04:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  Same as those rubes larping as Waffen SS members, the difference is, it's your constant demand for compromise that brought up that lack of purpose or national identity.

So to clarify, you are ok with the white supremacists protesting, but no other protesting?

To clarify, anyone has the right to free assembly and free speech. They don't have the right to damage property, private or public.

Nobody, however...has the right to be heard. And nobody, has the right to have their demands met if they violate the rule of law.

That there...is in the good 'ol Constitution!

Was anyone questioning that?

(08-23-2017 05:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  At best, you're telling me you're a ******* imbecile. At worst, you're a skitzo who thinks statues can oppress and offend.

Well you got me there. Those are undoubtedly the only two possibility.

By the way if the statues are so meaningless, why not just take them down and be done with it?

(08-23-2017 05:24 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-23-2017 05:17 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  At best, you're telling me you're a ******* imbecile. At worst, you're a skitzo who thinks statues can oppress and offend.

Well you got me there. Those are undoubtedly the only two possibility.

Well by all means, please tell me how a rock, this lifeless, voiceless, inanimate object; managed to screw your mom, take your job, burn down an orphanage and sass you about your racial ancestry. I want to hear all about it XD Holy ****
It's stone. Like you do realize there aren't cultists bringing up makeshift alters to make sacrifices to it, right? It's not as though at night time it turns into Robert E Lee himself or a gargoyle or something.

Quote:By the way if the statues are so meaningless, why not just take them down and be done with it?

No meaning, regardless of how offensive, can be justly censored in a free society. If that's a problem, I hear Pyongyang is lovely this time of year.
As for art in general, meaning depends on the viewer. I don't see an offensive expression, I see a finite historical figure, who like you and everybody else was imperfect. Having said that, I have more respect for those who do things that actually make a difference in the world than those who stand on a roadside and ***** about it.