Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

(07-13-2017 04:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

Is the Nashville Star not going to run south through Franklin? I know they were talking about it coming through Hendersonville when I was living there.

No.

(07-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

I've been here 18 years and never been to either track. Fairgrounds or Motor Speedway.

(07-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

Must have felt something as you know the construction of the facility and felt a need to go out of your way to comment about it.

If you do not care about it then do not worry about it or if some would like information on the transit system.

No one is forcing you to read the inquiry.

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  SCREW the greenline. If they move the train yard and it's access lines south of the city then the Southern Ave line eastward should be changed into a mass traffic rail system and some yuppie bikepath..

Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

How much will this be used? I can't think of much. 6 times a year? To transport them 2-3 miles? What other activities will they be going to at the fairgrounds? I like building in Memphis, but I just don't see the demand?

(07-14-2017 12:04 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

How much will this be used? I can't think of much. 6 times a year? To transport them 2-3 miles? What other activities will they be going to at the fairgrounds? I like building in Memphis, but I just don't see the demand?

It wasn't just transportation to the fairgrounds - the fairgrounds/LBS would be a stop on the line that literally runs the entire poplar corridor until just before Perkins, where it follows Southern, then follows down to the South Main area.

The only bad part of this pie-in-the-sky idea is that the way the natural rail line follows isn't as densely populated after you get past cooper-young. It goes left, when ideally it would grab more midtown traffic by going right. It could make stops in Soulsville, but midtowners aren't going to drive/bike 10 minutes to ride downtown when they could drive downtown in the same amount of time.

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:23 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Won't be any train lines or their ROW moved unless it benefits the RR - the RR's have no interest in accommodation at any level.

Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

1. You would not get closer. Uber can drop you off right at the stadium entrance on Hollywood...or right at Tiger Lane.
2. Busses down Central or Southern accomplishes virtually the same thing.

(07-14-2017 01:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:36 AM)UofMark Wrote:  Agree, the railroad isn't going anywhere. It's been there forever, it'll be there forever. As a lifetime East Memphian, I'm used to the constant hit or miss aspect of constantly crossing the rail at Goodlett, Perkins, Colonial, Mendenhall, and Estate, multiple times daily it seems. Those coal trains are the worst, especially when they slowly pull on the extra track just East of Estate to let other trains pass.
But since we're dreaming, I agree with ncrdbl, we've got enough greenline. That particular Southern rail line would be a fantastic light rail route, all the way from the Fayette County Line to downtown. I know it comes into south downtown by Central Station. Once they reinstate the trolley, it would make a great connector. As someone that frequents AutoZone Park, FedExForum and The Orpheum frequently, I would totally park and ride from East Memphis to those places many times.

Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

1. You would not get closer. Uber can drop you off right at the stadium entrance on Hollywood...or right at Tiger Lane.
2. Busses down Central or Southern accomplishes virtually the same thing.

At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

(07-13-2017 07:52 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 06:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Nobody cares about that sh*tty concrete track, just like no one cares about MMP.

Must have felt something as you know the construction of the facility and felt a need to go out of your way to comment about it.

If you do not care about it then do not worry about it or if some would like information on the transit system.

No one is forcing you to read the inquiry.

My reason for never going to either racetrack was due to the overwhelmingly undesirable element that those events attract.

(07-14-2017 01:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:42 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Not to the extent you desire, but if the Tigers are to continue to play at the LB for the next 20 yrs, there is likely enough RR ROW on the north side of Southern to accommodate a light rail line from the campus to the Fairgrounds area which is a no-brainer need to encourage students & remote parkers to use it for Tiger games & any other Fairgrounds activities that might be on the horizon.

I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

1. You would not get closer. Uber can drop you off right at the stadium entrance on Hollywood...or right at Tiger Lane.
2. Busses down Central or Southern accomplishes virtually the same thing.

At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  I imagine most college kids would rather spend a few dollars on an Uber to pick them up and drop them off exactly where they need to be.

You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

1. You would not get closer. Uber can drop you off right at the stadium entrance on Hollywood...or right at Tiger Lane.
2. Busses down Central or Southern accomplishes virtually the same thing.

At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:33 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  You likely will get just as close to LBS with a mass transit train as you would Uber. You do not have to mess with traffic and you are able to travel in a larger group of your friends.

1. You would not get closer. Uber can drop you off right at the stadium entrance on Hollywood...or right at Tiger Lane.
2. Busses down Central or Southern accomplishes virtually the same thing.

At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

(07-13-2017 04:50 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 04:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 03:15 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 12:43 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 11:59 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  There was a suggestion (I think in the Flyer) that had a long term plan of moving the rail yard and its feeder rails south of the city. The main line that follows Poplar and Southern would become another branch of the Greenline. The main point of the article was a reduction in air pollution, an easing of traffic backups that are caused by trains, and a better connection of different parts of the city. The article seemed to suggest that it was actually a possibility because the rail yard needs major updating, and that it may actually be a more cost effective alternative, especially if federal funds can be used (because of the positive environmental impacts).

Anyway, if such a major change did happen, the fairgrounds could have a lot more options in the future including expansion, moving parking to different areas, and having more connection to the university area (and even East Memphis) by bicycle.

If something massive like that happened (and I seriously doubt it will, because the RR always wins in my experience), then that Poplar main line would be ideal for a real discussion about mass transit in this city.

Respectfully, If you think East Memphis, Germantown and Collierville are gonna allow a commuter train into their safehaven then you are dreaming. There is a reason the Atlanta MARTA Red Line ends at Sandy Springs and doesn't go all the way to Alpharetta.

Is the Nashville Star not going to run south through Franklin? I know they were talking about it coming through Hendersonville when I was living there.

It only goes out to Lebanon now.

But that is Phase 1. There were other phases that would expand the routes through Madison and Hendersonville, to Gallatin. And then one phase south all the way to M'boro.

However, right before I moved, Nashville released a plan for a light rail system from airport to downtown. This also had other options to outlying areas. So that may have replaced the Music City Star proposal.

Even worse, the Democrat mayor of Metro Nashville has floated the idea of selling the airport to fund light rail. Genius at work.

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  1. You would not get closer. Uber can drop you off right at the stadium entrance on Hollywood...or right at Tiger Lane.
2. Busses down Central or Southern accomplishes virtually the same thing.

At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Also, after a certain point (four lanes in most instances), adding lanes has a negative effect on desired traffic flow.

(07-14-2017 03:07 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Also, after a certain point (four lanes in most instances), adding lanes has a negative effect on desired traffic flow.

Not to mention the effect that it has on the surrounding neighborhoods.

(07-14-2017 02:55 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:24 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 02:18 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:46 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  At what cost when it comes to time and money. Based on where the students set up it is not much difference from the Central or E Parkway entrance to their spot and the entrance from Southern to their spot. You do not have the traffic congestion which you will find on Southern and Central.

The Tigers leg of the line is just part of the extended line from out east to downtown. Not the primary use of the line but an extra use of it. Line could also be used for Basketball bringing students from campus to the Forum downtown with a connection to the trolley system.

The main issue would be the fact that it is only a single line and you would be limited as to how many trains you can run at a single time. You would have to use the yard at the fairgrounds or the one a couple miles down the line across walker as a junction to allow for trains to bypass each oth4er in opposite directions.

I'm sorry, but I don't know this could be remotely successful.

Public transit is necessary unless you want Poplar to be 10 lanes one day. We don't have an interstate that goes straight through the city. We will have issues with the bridges over the Wolf at some point as well.

We won't have stagnate growth forever.

You need dense population to support a project like this. We don't have that. We aren't New York City where many thousands of workers go to work in Manhatten. Also, many of these people would drive if they could find affordable parking and if their 50 mile drive to work wouldn't take 3-4 hours.

Where would the stops be? Are people really going to drive to a park and ride, then hoof it from there? Why not just drive? Or use Uber? Or expand bus service (which a lot of avoid now)? You could run additional charter buses during peak events.

Again, I just don't see how this project would be successful.

We wouldn't need that much population growth for us to start having problems. I would add it's already a headache for many people to get Downtown.

I don't think public transit would be success either, since I don't think people would put up with the pain it would take to do it right.

But you will have to expand Poplar at some point if we add anymore people, and if more people start to work downtown. Politically, I think that would be a nightmare on the level of Kirby parkway through the farms would be.

I'll say the work they did on the 240-40 exchange will give us some time, but there's just a lot of geographical issues with the way the city is designed. The wolf river, the rail lines, the prevalence of low density housing.

I'm just saying we have issues. We either going to need public transit or wider roads to fix it. At some point, People aren't going to want 10 lane highways everywhere.

Ok, I agree 100%. I don't think the rail plan discussed earlier would be successful at all. Poplar can be miserable, and it either needs to be widened (hard to do, and what a mess it would be in the interim).

I also have doubts about public transportation. It works in some high density cities very well. I was in London recently and their underground and bus system is very utilized. Most US cities are spread out and and rail service only works in certain areas (downtown trolley).

I don't know the answer, but I agree, it does need to be addressed.