(07-08-2017 07:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:49 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:57 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Only a mental midget would think Trump got cucked by Putin.

Putin lied to Trumps face about Russian meddling and Trump accepted it. No recourse, just an agreement to assure we don't meddle their elections.
Putin got protection for his boy Assad in SW Syria.
And
What exactly did we get out of it? A promise that Russia won't interfere next time? Why follow that when "It wasn't me" is so easily accepted by president snowflake?

When did republicans become the soft on Russia party? Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

I read this post multiple times and I still can't find a fact, any fact for that matter. Can you be a peach and point to an actual fact in your post here? Or are you going to continue to be the mental midget we all know you to be?

Lol you mad bro? Do you think ad hominum attacks effect me lol? Let me try one. I'm surprised you can type while sucking Trumps dick you cucked Trumptard. If you would whipe the jizz from your eyes you wouldn't be so blind to your own ignorance.

See how productive this is in furthering conversations? Good times

For what reason would I be mad? Because you think you "schooled" me? First of all you didn't and second of all you still haven't provided one concrete fact to support your ignorant argument.

Nice comeback though. I feel so inferior right now.

Well usually when someone insults someone else out of the blue they are usually butt hurt about something. What do you want me to link? The anti tampering agreement? The absence of denial that Trump accepted Putin's claim they didn't meddle? The ceasefire agreement? You see there is this service called Google and if you use it these things are pretty easy to find. Those of us that don't struggle to read can look and come to our own conclusions. Perhaps I can link you to someone that can do your thinking for you. I can play this game all day but it doesn't seem very productive and to be honest makes me feel like an ******* attacking You personally over and over. Up to you though.

(07-08-2017 08:02 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:49 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Putin lied to Trumps face about Russian meddling and Trump accepted it. No recourse, just an agreement to assure we don't meddle their elections.
Putin got protection for his boy Assad in SW Syria.
And
What exactly did we get out of it? A promise that Russia won't interfere next time? Why follow that when "It wasn't me" is so easily accepted by president snowflake?

When did republicans become the soft on Russia party? Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

I read this post multiple times and I still can't find a fact, any fact for that matter. Can you be a peach and point to an actual fact in your post here? Or are you going to continue to be the mental midget we all know you to be?

Lol you mad bro? Do you think ad hominum attacks effect me lol? Let me try one. I'm surprised you can type while sucking Trumps dick you cucked Trumptard. If you would whipe the jizz from your eyes you wouldn't be so blind to your own ignorance.

See how productive this is in furthering conversations? Good times

For what reason would I be mad? Because you think you "schooled" me? First of all you didn't and second of all you still haven't provided one concrete fact to support your ignorant argument.

Nice comeback though. I feel so inferior right now.

Well usually when someone insults someone else out of the blue they are usually butt hurt about something. What do you want me to link? The anti tampering agreement? The absence of denial that Trump accepted Putin's claim they didn't meddle? The ceasefire agreement? You see there is this service called Google and if you use it these things are pretty easy to find. Those of us that don't struggle to read can look and come to our own conclusions. Perhaps I can link you to someone that can do your thinking for you. I can play this game all day but it doesn't seem very productive and to be honest makes me feel like an ******* attacking You personally over and over. Up to you though.

The thing is the ceasefire agreement outweighs kicking and screaming over propaganga. You arent seeing the picture. Anyone can start a propaganga campaign at a small cost. This is low level schit. Internet trolls. Lol. But on the other hand, a bunch of people get peace if Putin holds up.

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I'll add, there is no way to wipe out ISIS without Putin's heavy involvement. What is more important, wiping out ISIS or revenge over Hillary's unprotected emails and the DNCs unprotected server?

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(07-08-2017 08:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:02 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:49 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I read this post multiple times and I still can't find a fact, any fact for that matter. Can you be a peach and point to an actual fact in your post here? Or are you going to continue to be the mental midget we all know you to be?

Lol you mad bro? Do you think ad hominum attacks effect me lol? Let me try one. I'm surprised you can type while sucking Trumps dick you cucked Trumptard. If you would whipe the jizz from your eyes you wouldn't be so blind to your own ignorance.

See how productive this is in furthering conversations? Good times

For what reason would I be mad? Because you think you "schooled" me? First of all you didn't and second of all you still haven't provided one concrete fact to support your ignorant argument.

Nice comeback though. I feel so inferior right now.

Well usually when someone insults someone else out of the blue they are usually butt hurt about something. What do you want me to link? The anti tampering agreement? The absence of denial that Trump accepted Putin's claim they didn't meddle? The ceasefire agreement? You see there is this service called Google and if you use it these things are pretty easy to find. Those of us that don't struggle to read can look and come to our own conclusions. Perhaps I can link you to someone that can do your thinking for you. I can play this game all day but it doesn't seem very productive and to be honest makes me feel like an ******* attacking You personally over and over. Up to you though.

The thing is the ceasefire agreement outweighs kicking and screaming over propaganga. You arent seeing the picture. Anyone can start a propaganga campaign at a small cost. This is low level schit. Internet trolls. Lol. But on the other hand, a bunch of people get peace if Putin holds up.

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I respectfully disagree. Thank you for not starting our conversion with an insult, some people have a hard time with that. The thing is it wasn't just trolls and Lulz it was the coordinated effort of a foreign adversary to interfere in our elections and a blantant affront to our national sovereignty, meanwhile the President is not standing up for our country. He's giving Putin a pass if Putin promises not to do it again. Anyone who believes he will keep that promise doesn't know Putin. I also have zero interest in capitulating to Russia and allowing areas where Assad can operate with impunity. There is a reason we have to strike them to keep them in check... Let's also not pretend this is a humanitarian objective.

I find it really weird I'm the only one skeptical of Putin and his motives.

(07-08-2017 08:45 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:02 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:49 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Lol you mad bro? Do you think ad hominum attacks effect me lol? Let me try one. I'm surprised you can type while sucking Trumps dick you cucked Trumptard. If you would whipe the jizz from your eyes you wouldn't be so blind to your own ignorance.

See how productive this is in furthering conversations? Good times

For what reason would I be mad? Because you think you "schooled" me? First of all you didn't and second of all you still haven't provided one concrete fact to support your ignorant argument.

Nice comeback though. I feel so inferior right now.

Well usually when someone insults someone else out of the blue they are usually butt hurt about something. What do you want me to link? The anti tampering agreement? The absence of denial that Trump accepted Putin's claim they didn't meddle? The ceasefire agreement? You see there is this service called Google and if you use it these things are pretty easy to find. Those of us that don't struggle to read can look and come to our own conclusions. Perhaps I can link you to someone that can do your thinking for you. I can play this game all day but it doesn't seem very productive and to be honest makes me feel like an ******* attacking You personally over and over. Up to you though.

The thing is the ceasefire agreement outweighs kicking and screaming over propaganga. You arent seeing the picture. Anyone can start a propaganga campaign at a small cost. This is low level schit. Internet trolls. Lol. But on the other hand, a bunch of people get peace if Putin holds up.

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I respectfully disagree. Thank you for not starting our conversion with an insult, some people have a hard time with that. The thing is it wasn't just trolls and Lulz it was the coordinated effort of a foreign adversary to interfere in our elections and a blantant affront to our national sovereignty, meanwhile the President is not standing up for our country. He's giving Putin a pass if Putin promises not to do it again. Anyone who believes he will keep that promise doesn't know Putin. I also have zero interest in capitulating to Russia and allowing areas where Assad can operate with impunity. There is a reason we have to strike them to keep them in check... Let's also not pretend this is a humanitarian objective.

I find it really weird I'm the only one skeptical of Putin and his motives.

I'm very skeptical of Putin's motives and don't trust him in E Europe, but I do think he wants to get rid of ISIS and Fat Boy.

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(07-08-2017 08:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'll add, there is no way to wipe out ISIS without Putin's heavy involvement. What is more important, wiping out ISIS or revenge over Hillary's unprotected emails and the DNCs unprotected server?

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Isis is already on the ropes and is going down fast. They also don't operate in the Assad controlled city of Daraa where the ceasefire was negotiated. It is however home to Hezbollah forces fighting on Assads behalf. You know the terrorist group that literally has a nuclear blast on their flag and constantly threatens to whipe one of our greatest allies, Israel, off the face of the planet. Yeah, I sure am glad they can operate with impunity in an ever increasing power vacuum. This is about 1 thing, resupplying Assad and his outside forces by the Russians. Let's face it Assad is doing next to nothing to effectively fight Isis, not when superpowers will fight them for you. This is a transactional war. The US fights for regional stability and the Russians fight to keep their arms contacts. Isis is not the problem between us and Russia it's what to do about Assad afterword.

(07-08-2017 09:10 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'll add, there is no way to wipe out ISIS without Putin's heavy involvement. What is more important, wiping out ISIS or revenge over Hillary's unprotected emails and the DNCs unprotected server?

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Isis is already on the ropes and is going down fast. They also don't operate in the Assad controlled city of Daraa where the ceasefire was negotiated. It is however home to Hezbollah forces fighting on Assads behalf. You know the terrorist group that literally has a nuclear blast on their flag and constantly threatens to whipe one of our greatest allies, Israel, off the face of the planet. Yeah, I sure am glad they can operate with impunity in an ever increasing power vacuum. This is about 1 thing, resupplying Assad and his outside forces by the Russians. Let's face it Assad is doing next to nothing to effectively fight Isis, not when superpowers will fight them for you. This is a transactional war. The US fights for regional stability and the Russians fight to keep their arms contacts. Isis is not the problem between us and Russia it's what to do about Assad afterword.

That is where you and I differ. I could nit care less abot Assad. He is probably a bad man, but he is no threat to us.

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Quote:
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process.

The Democrats and their media lap-dogs have done more to undermine public faith in the Democratic process than anything Russia could do.

denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.

As if Clinton did nothing to harm her electability? She was under FBI investigation during the entire campaign. But I'm sure Russia was behind that. fact is you folks ran a terrible candidate. Unlikable and not a very shrewd politician. I find it baffling she never learned anything from Bill.

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly
contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

Can anyone tell me why the Russians would favor Trump? Is it that Hillary is so gifted and tough that they would be shaking in their boots? I'm sorry, I watched her as SOS and I did not see anything special. In fact her work in Libya turned into a disaster.

The Russians aren't the reason Hillary Clinton lost.

Hillary Clinton is.

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(07-08-2017 08:02 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:49 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Putin lied to Trumps face about Russian meddling and Trump accepted it. No recourse, just an agreement to assure we don't meddle their elections.
Putin got protection for his boy Assad in SW Syria.
And
What exactly did we get out of it? A promise that Russia won't interfere next time? Why follow that when "It wasn't me" is so easily accepted by president snowflake?

When did republicans become the soft on Russia party? Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

I read this post multiple times and I still can't find a fact, any fact for that matter. Can you be a peach and point to an actual fact in your post here? Or are you going to continue to be the mental midget we all know you to be?

Lol you mad bro? Do you think ad hominum attacks effect me lol? Let me try one. I'm surprised you can type while sucking Trumps dick you cucked Trumptard. If you would whipe the jizz from your eyes you wouldn't be so blind to your own ignorance.

See how productive this is in furthering conversations? Good times

For what reason would I be mad? Because you think you "schooled" me? First of all you didn't and second of all you still haven't provided one concrete fact to support your ignorant argument.

Nice comeback though. I feel so inferior right now.

Well usually when someone insults someone else out of the blue they are usually butt hurt about something. What do you want me to link? The anti tampering agreement? The absence of denial that Trump accepted Putin's claim they didn't meddle? The ceasefire agreement? You see there is this service called Google and if you use it these things are pretty easy to find. Those of us that don't struggle to read can look and come to our own conclusions. Perhaps I can link you to someone that can do your thinking for you. I can play this game all day but it doesn't seem very productive and to be honest makes me feel like an ******* attacking You personally over and over. Up to you though.

You know, for someone who decries the use of ad hominem attacks, you seem to have zero trouble subtly dropping them in your replies.

Hypocisy, thy name is Godzilla.

(07-08-2017 09:40 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 08:02 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 07:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:49 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 06:31 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I read this post multiple times and I still can't find a fact, any fact for that matter. Can you be a peach and point to an actual fact in your post here? Or are you going to continue to be the mental midget we all know you to be?

Lol you mad bro? Do you think ad hominum attacks effect me lol? Let me try one. I'm surprised you can type while sucking Trumps dick you cucked Trumptard. If you would whipe the jizz from your eyes you wouldn't be so blind to your own ignorance.

See how productive this is in furthering conversations? Good times

For what reason would I be mad? Because you think you "schooled" me? First of all you didn't and second of all you still haven't provided one concrete fact to support your ignorant argument.

Nice comeback though. I feel so inferior right now.

Well usually when someone insults someone else out of the blue they are usually butt hurt about something. What do you want me to link? The anti tampering agreement? The absence of denial that Trump accepted Putin's claim they didn't meddle? The ceasefire agreement? You see there is this service called Google and if you use it these things are pretty easy to find. Those of us that don't struggle to read can look and come to our own conclusions. Perhaps I can link you to someone that can do your thinking for you. I can play this game all day but it doesn't seem very productive and to be honest makes me feel like an ******* attacking You personally over and over. Up to you though.

You know, for someone who decries the use of ad hominem attacks, you seem to have zero trouble subtly dropping them in your replies.

Hypocisy, thy name is Godzilla.

The difference is you started with an ad hominum attack I just responded in kind. It wasn't me that started this nonsense. It's like for some reason you are surprised someone started insulting you back... No worries though, water under the bridge.

(07-08-2017 05:52 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:57 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:22 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Putin said Trump accepted his denial of election tampering. WH refuses to deny this claim. Our president just got cucked on the world stage.

Only a mental midget would think Trump got cucked by Putin.

Putin lied to Trumps face about Russian meddling and Trump accepted it. No recourse, just an agreement to assure we don't meddle their elections.
Putin got protection for his boy Assad in SW Syria.
And
What exactly did we get out of it? A promise that Russia won't interfere next time? Why follow that when "It wasn't me" is so easily accepted by president snowflake?

When did republicans become the soft on Russia party? Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

We have already punished Putin. Sanctions are in place. Compounds were impounded and not returned. We carved out a no fly zone and an American sphere of influence in Syria. Syria will now never be a unified nation under Assad. We desroyed much of Syrias AF. We stopped the use of chemical weapons in that country. And, Trump got an agreement that will defuse a potential incident that could cause WWIII. Putin was confronted and he lied. Putin was confronted in Syria and he backed away from the US zone.

If Hillary had done the same thing you'd be as happy as a puppy with 2 peckers. You should be happy, Trump just cleaned up Obama's mess (he could stopped the Russian election meddling but didnt and he failed to confron Russia in Syria---which is why we are where we are there). Trump still has to clean up the N Korean Obama mess. Obama was fricken joke in foriegn affairs. Dude got played by everyone everyday and twice on Sundays.

Oh so Obama's sanctions and expulsions are adequate? Isn't it still party line to call his actions feckless? American sphere of influence in the new ceasefire zone? Bwahahaha. That is Russian controlled turf now. We went from being able to strike anywhere we needed, to giving a genocidal dictator a safe space... We didn't destroy their air force, hell we didn't even destroy their runways for more than a couple hrs. Russia is currently blocking sanctions on NK at the UN security council and increasing trade with them as China backs off... Yet Tbag does nothing. You cheerleaders are delusional when it comes to Trump in foreign affairs. He was played like a fiddle.

Your describing the mess Obama left us in. What exactly are you looking for? Trump isnt going lob a 10,000 pound Daisy Cutter bomb at the Kremlin because the DNC got hacked. Hell, Obama knew about it and did nothing.

Trump confronted Putin and Putin predictably denied it. World leaders dont do an hours worth of "did too"--"did not". It gets you nowhere.

The biggest problem with this type of thing is we do it too (and we have probably tried to influence Russian politics in the past). I know for a fact we denied flying spy missions over Russia until they shot down a U-2. We denied having anything to do with the Iranian centrifuges blowing up due to a computer malfunctions due to the Stuxnet Virus. Recently released wikipedia documents indicate we have an entire suite of spy ware and virus's designed to not only hack into secure systems of other governments---but to do it in such a way that it leaves the finger prints of other nations hacking tools. That suite of spyware was supposedly stolen recently. So...its absoutlely possible that another nation in possesion of that software could have hacked the DNC and made it look like the Russians (since thats exactly what the software was designed to do).

Bottom line---We both do this kind of thing to one another and other countries---so, our outrage has to be somewhat tempered. Its time to move on and see what kind of relationship can be salvaged so we arent lobbing nukes at one another because of a worthless bombed out city in Syria.

(07-08-2017 04:50 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:41 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:22 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Putin said Trump accepted his denial of election tampering. WH refuses to deny this claim. Our president just got cucked on the world stage.

That would be the view of someone that would trash whatever he said or didn't say. I guess Trump,should have held a presser and called Putin a liar.

If he had a spine he would. He ran as a tough guy and in his first meeting with our greatest foreign adversary he basically bent over and said be gentle. Capitulation of the Russians is not something I want coming from a president.

QueenZil, "the 80's are calling and they want their foreign policy back."

Where was zerO when the scurrilous ROOSKIES!!! were a-meddlin' last summer? Nowhere, like usual.

Ya'll so two-faced it's embarrassing to watch.

(07-08-2017 05:52 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 05:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:57 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:22 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Putin said Trump accepted his denial of election tampering. WH refuses to deny this claim. Our president just got cucked on the world stage.

Only a mental midget would think Trump got cucked by Putin.

Putin lied to Trumps face about Russian meddling and Trump accepted it. No recourse, just an agreement to assure we don't meddle their elections.
Putin got protection for his boy Assad in SW Syria.
And
What exactly did we get out of it? A promise that Russia won't interfere next time? Why follow that when "It wasn't me" is so easily accepted by president snowflake?

When did republicans become the soft on Russia party? Reagan must be rolling over in his grave.

We have already punished Putin. Sanctions are in place. Compounds were impounded and not returned. We carved out a no fly zone and an American sphere of influence in Syria. Syria will now never be a unified nation under Assad. We desroyed much of Syrias AF. We stopped the use of chemical weapons in that country. And, Trump got an agreement that will defuse a potential incident that could cause WWIII. Putin was confronted and he lied. Putin was confronted in Syria and he backed away from the US zone.

If Hillary had done the same thing you'd be as happy as a puppy with 2 peckers. You should be happy, Trump just cleaned up Obama's mess (he could stopped the Russian election meddling but didnt and he failed to confron Russia in Syria---which is why we are where we are there). Trump still has to clean up the N Korean Obama mess. Obama was fricken joke in foriegn affairs. Dude got played by everyone everyday and twice on Sundays.

Oh so Obama's sanctions and expulsions are adequate? Isn't it still party line to call his actions feckless? American sphere of influence in the new ceasefire zone? Bwahahaha. That is Russian controlled turf now. We went from being able to strike anywhere we needed, to giving a genocidal dictator a safe space... We didn't destroy their air force, hell we didn't even destroy their runways for more than a couple hrs. Russia is currently blocking sanctions on NK at the UN security council and increasing trade with them as China backs off... Yet Tbag does nothing. You cheerleaders are delusional when it comes to Trump in foreign affairs. He was played like a fiddle.

Uhhh, he's been there 5+ whole months?

The isis a-holes and this entire thing was a creation of the leader-from-behinder bailing out of a commitment nearly a decade ago.

Cleaning 10 years worth of schit off the streets takes a little time...

And good policy.

(07-08-2017 05:57 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  Trump can't confront Putin as long as he has the pee tape. I'm willing to bet the hacking conversation lasted less than 3 minutes, with Putin doing the talking. It probably ended with Putin giving him assurance he would be able to help again in the next election. I wonder at what point of the two plus hour conversation did Donald clear the room so he could get his marching orders.

How did Pootey-poot help in this election?

Like "I'll have more flexibility after the next campaign/election"?!?

Thx.

(07-08-2017 04:50 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:41 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(07-08-2017 04:22 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Putin said Trump accepted his denial of election tampering. WH refuses to deny this claim. Our president just got cucked on the world stage.

That would be the view of someone that would trash whatever he said or didn't say. I guess Trump,should have held a presser and called Putin a liar.

If he had a spine he would. He ran as a tough guy and in his first meeting with our greatest foreign adversary he basically bent over and said be gentle. Capitulation of the Russians is not something I want coming from a president.

You sure weren't bitching this much about oblunder when he got gangbanged by Iran and Russia.


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By the way, just as an aside, the intelligence community NEVER states anything as an absolute. If they say Russia interfered with the US election, it means they BELIEVE they did---it doesn't mean the can PROVE they did with 100% confidence. So when Trump leaves room for doubt, he is FAR more reflective of the any actual conclusion in the report than the press (which acts as if the US intelligence agencies have rock solid 100% proof---they don't).

(07-09-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  By the way, just as an aside, the intelligence community NEVER states anything as an absolute. If they say Russia interfered with the US election, it means they BELIEVE they did---it doesn't mean the can PROVE they did with 100% confidence. So when Trump leaves room for doubt, he is FAR more reflective of the any actual conclusion in the report than the press (which acts as if the US intelligence agencies have rock solid 100% proof---they don't).

Exactly, "we assess" is basically "we speculate" or "we make an educated guess that." I find it telling that the NSA which would likely have the best evidence if any exists, only had "moderate confidence." That's striking to me given that this report was prepared at Obama's behest. It's all much ado about nothing.

(07-09-2017 02:17 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  By the way, just as an aside, the intelligence community NEVER states anything as an absolute. If they say Russia interfered with the US election, it means they BELIEVE they did---it doesn't mean the can PROVE they did with 100% confidence. So when Trump leaves room for doubt, he is FAR more reflective of the any actual conclusion in the report than the press (which acts as if the US intelligence agencies have rock solid 100% proof---they don't).

Exactly, "we assess" is basically "we speculate" or "we make an educated guess that." I find it telling that the NSA which would likely have the best evidence if any exists, only had "moderate confidence." That's striking to me given that this report was prepared at Obama's behest. It's all much ado about nothing.

I suspect we have some evidence...software finger prints, information from cultivated sources, etc. That said, we never even examined the DNC servers....we know our software suite--which is capable of leaving the fingerprints of other nations behind---was stolen (and we dont even know who stole it). We can peice together a most likley culprit---but its nothing like the 100% certainty that the press likes to present. I'd also add that it is COMPLETELY plausible that the Russians had NOTHING to do with the hack of the DNC and that the released documents and emails were an inside job from a angry Sanders supporter. So, a reasonable explanation is that the Russians WANTED to disrupt our election---they tried to disrupt the election---but failed. Meanwhile, a leak from the inside the DNC occurred due to a disgruntled Bernie supporter. In other words---the two events could be completely unrelated.

Point being---we dont have anywhere near 100% certainty.

(07-09-2017 02:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 02:17 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 01:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  By the way, just as an aside, the intelligence community NEVER states anything as an absolute. If they say Russia interfered with the US election, it means they BELIEVE they did---it doesn't mean the can PROVE they did with 100% confidence. So when Trump leaves room for doubt, he is FAR more reflective of the any actual conclusion in the report than the press (which acts as if the US intelligence agencies have rock solid 100% proof---they don't).

Exactly, "we assess" is basically "we speculate" or "we make an educated guess that." I find it telling that the NSA which would likely have the best evidence if any exists, only had "moderate confidence." That's striking to me given that this report was prepared at Obama's behest. It's all much ado about nothing.

I suspect we have some evidence...software finger prints, information from cultivated sources, etc. That said, we never even examined the DNC servers....we know our software suite--which is capable of leaving the fingerprints of other nations behind---was stolen (and we dont even know who stole it). We can peice together a most likley culprit---but its nothing like the 100% certainty that the press likes to present. I'd also add that it is COMPLETELY plausible that the Russians had NOTHING to do with the hack of the DNC and that the released documents and emails were an inside job from a angry Sanders supporter. So, a reasonable explanation is that the Russians WANTED to disrupt our election---they tried to disrupt the election---but failed. Meanwhile, a leak from the inside the DNC occurred due to a disgruntled Bernie supporter. In other words---the two events could be completely unrelated.

Point being---we dont have anywhere near 100% certainty.

The report mentions Putin hiring internet trolls to spread propaganda. Ok, so we going to war over using an open communications venue to try to change peoples minds? I just don't see the big deal.

There is no way for any government entity to know what happened to the DNC because nobody has seen the servers. Could have been Putin, could have been a Russian acting on his own, could have been an overweight 15 year old American in moms basement in Idaho, could have been Seth Rich. I highly doubt Putin was involved though. If he was he would have held onto the info and used it to do whatever the phuck he wanted to when she was elected... you know... extortion.

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