(07-05-2017 09:41 AM)mphsfan Wrote: Parks will play more than Enoh.
Probably so. I think also that Parks will play the 5 with Azab. It would seem that Enoh would play the 4 with Davenport. In that case Parks and Davenport may start.
(07-05-2017 09:34 AM)Dylan Wrote: It's what's to be expected. We're returning 2 players and there isn't a clear improvement on paper in talent. We probably have a roster that's between 7-10 in the conference when you gauge it by just what's on paper.
There's teams every year that surprise. Let's hope we are one of them.
I do hope that we are a team that surprises. I expect a winning conference record at least and probably more. Too much has been made on the "paper" evaluations of the talent coming into the program. I would rather trust that the coaches made very good evaluations of the new players. They are paid to evaluate the talent based on actually seeing the players play and years of experience.
The team has certainly addressed the physical limitations of last year's team.
Tubby shares your outlook. He said we will have "a very good team" and "we'll be one of the most competitive teams" in the AAC.
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2017 09:47 AM by Tiger1983.)
(07-05-2017 12:18 AM)memtigbb Wrote: Yep, and every single person in Memphis wanted those people fired. If Tubby ends this season 6-9 and makes the statement that he reached what was expected, I hope every single one of you who have defended him come here and call for his firing. If he reaches 1-3 in conference, I will be the first to say he did a great job and earned his 3mil.
I defend the Memphis head coach...not Calipari, or Pastner, or Smith.
I hope so. If we manage that we should be a top 100 team.
I am suspect about 3 teams ahead of us. We will see. Houston only claim to their spot is Rob Gray. After that a bunch of filler players and jucos.
Sounds like us without the 20 ppg scorer.
But, again...That 20 ppg scorer was one of those unranked out of high school, borderline 3-star juco players. Averaged 18 points in juco, so should average 9 points in college.
So you can't really exclude him from the comparison to our roster.
(07-04-2017 11:42 AM)Stammers Wrote: What we do know (I think) is that at least a couple of players will play at a higher level than their ranking and will score more than their sample group, because they will be getting minutes that they would not get otherwise, and they will get shot attempts that they would not be getting otherwise.
If a team returns 2 starters, their 1st and 3rd best scorers and let's say 5 of their top 9, you would expect that the two starters and another 2 returnees would get the bulk of the shots, and there would be an opportunity for 1 or 2 of the newcomers to emerge, given their ranking.
The deal this year is a free for all. Unless there is a drastic change, Rivers is limited in practice and games because of his back, so he is probably going to be limited to 22-25 minutes per game. I expect him to have a breakout year and double his output.
Unless Martin's right hand has improved and he is able to get into the lane more, he isn't going to be able to put up many more shots and he won't have Dedric to throw the ball to with 10 seconds left in the clock to bail him out.
The new guys are going to be able to put up as many shots as they want. Some of them are going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity the same way that Martin was able to last season. Hopefully, it will work out, but if you look at all the variables...
Agree with most of the overall theory here - regardless of your underlying tone.
However, your summarization of Martin's game (bolded above) is off the mark, IMO. He didn't use Dedric to bail him out. The offense was centered around Dedric so much that he used much of the clock just trying to get it in to him. Dedric was not a "bail out" option. He was the best player, and he was the focal point. Rightly so - although it constricted the offense at times. Some of Martin's best play was late in games when he was allowed to playmake after we had gone away from the Dedric-only option. I expect we will see Martin's shots increase to at least 10 per game.
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2017 10:56 AM by Tiger87.)
(07-04-2017 11:42 AM)Stammers Wrote: What we do know (I think) is that at least a couple of players will play at a higher level than their ranking and will score more than their sample group, because they will be getting minutes that they would not get otherwise, and they will get shot attempts that they would not be getting otherwise.
If a team returns 2 starters, their 1st and 3rd best scorers and let's say 5 of their top 9, you would expect that the two starters and another 2 returnees would get the bulk of the shots, and there would be an opportunity for 1 or 2 of the newcomers to emerge, given their ranking.
The deal this year is a free for all. Unless there is a drastic change, Rivers is limited in practice and games because of his back, so he is probably going to be limited to 22-25 minutes per game. I expect him to have a breakout year and double his output.
Unless Martin's right hand has improved and he is able to get into the lane more, he isn't going to be able to put up many more shots and he won't have Dedric to throw the ball to with 10 seconds left in the clock to bail him out.
The new guys are going to be able to put up as many shots as they want. Some of them are going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity the same way that Martin was able to last season. Hopefully, it will work out, but if you look at all the variables...
Agree with most of the overall theory here - regardless of your underlying tone.
However, your summarization of Martin's game (bolded above) is off the mark, IMO. He didn't use Dedric to bail him out. The offense was centered around Dedric so much that he used much of the clock just trying to get it in to him. Dedric was not a "bail out" option. He was the best player, and he was the focal point. Rightly so - although it constricted the offense at times. Some of Martin's best play was late in games when he was allowed to playmake after we had gone away from the Dedric-only option. I expect we will see Martin's shots increase to at least 10 per game.
At any time early in the clock, Martin could have penetrated; created his own shot or given someone an opportunity to get one. Opposing defenses know that he isn't good with his right hand, which severely limits his ability to create opportunities.
He did do an adequate job at the end of the clock driving to the basket, but that isn't the most efficient way to run an offense. What teams will do this year, is to pack it in and force someone to make shots from the outside. If we don't have someone that can at least keep the defense honest, I had no idea how we are going to score.
(07-04-2017 11:42 AM)Stammers Wrote: What we do know (I think) is that at least a couple of players will play at a higher level than their ranking and will score more than their sample group, because they will be getting minutes that they would not get otherwise, and they will get shot attempts that they would not be getting otherwise.
If a team returns 2 starters, their 1st and 3rd best scorers and let's say 5 of their top 9, you would expect that the two starters and another 2 returnees would get the bulk of the shots, and there would be an opportunity for 1 or 2 of the newcomers to emerge, given their ranking.
The deal this year is a free for all. Unless there is a drastic change, Rivers is limited in practice and games because of his back, so he is probably going to be limited to 22-25 minutes per game. I expect him to have a breakout year and double his output.
Unless Martin's right hand has improved and he is able to get into the lane more, he isn't going to be able to put up many more shots and he won't have Dedric to throw the ball to with 10 seconds left in the clock to bail him out.
The new guys are going to be able to put up as many shots as they want. Some of them are going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity the same way that Martin was able to last season. Hopefully, it will work out, but if you look at all the variables...
Agree with most of the overall theory here - regardless of your underlying tone.
However, your summarization of Martin's game (bolded above) is off the mark, IMO. He didn't use Dedric to bail him out. The offense was centered around Dedric so much that he used much of the clock just trying to get it in to him. Dedric was not a "bail out" option. He was the best player, and he was the focal point. Rightly so - although it constricted the offense at times. Some of Martin's best play was late in games when he was allowed to playmake after we had gone away from the Dedric-only option. I expect we will see Martin's shots increase to at least 10 per game.
At any time early in the clock, Martin could have penetrated; created his own shot or given someone an opportunity to get one. Opposing defenses know that he isn't good with his right hand, which severely limits his ability to create opportunities.
He did do an adequate job at the end of the clock driving to the basket, but that isn't the most efficient way to run an offense. What teams will do this year, is to pack it in and force someone to make shots from the outside. If we don't have someone that can at least keep the defense honest, I had no idea how we are going to score.
Martin did a wonderful job penetrating given his limited right hand, that I can agree with.
With Dedric gone this year Martin will need to start the offense and set others up and he hasn't really shown the ability to CREATE for others off the dribble, last year when he penetrated he was going to the hole but man could he finish through contact with the best of them
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2017 11:26 AM by macgar32.)
(07-04-2017 11:42 AM)Stammers Wrote: What we do know (I think) is that at least a couple of players will play at a higher level than their ranking and will score more than their sample group, because they will be getting minutes that they would not get otherwise, and they will get shot attempts that they would not be getting otherwise.
If a team returns 2 starters, their 1st and 3rd best scorers and let's say 5 of their top 9, you would expect that the two starters and another 2 returnees would get the bulk of the shots, and there would be an opportunity for 1 or 2 of the newcomers to emerge, given their ranking.
The deal this year is a free for all. Unless there is a drastic change, Rivers is limited in practice and games because of his back, so he is probably going to be limited to 22-25 minutes per game. I expect him to have a breakout year and double his output.
Unless Martin's right hand has improved and he is able to get into the lane more, he isn't going to be able to put up many more shots and he won't have Dedric to throw the ball to with 10 seconds left in the clock to bail him out.
The new guys are going to be able to put up as many shots as they want. Some of them are going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity the same way that Martin was able to last season. Hopefully, it will work out, but if you look at all the variables...
Agree with most of the overall theory here - regardless of your underlying tone.
However, your summarization of Martin's game (bolded above) is off the mark, IMO. He didn't use Dedric to bail him out. The offense was centered around Dedric so much that he used much of the clock just trying to get it in to him. Dedric was not a "bail out" option. He was the best player, and he was the focal point. Rightly so - although it constricted the offense at times. Some of Martin's best play was late in games when he was allowed to playmake after we had gone away from the Dedric-only option. I expect we will see Martin's shots increase to at least 10 per game.
At any time early in the clock, Martin could have penetrated; created his own shot or given someone an opportunity to get one. Opposing defenses know that he isn't good with his right hand, which severely limits his ability to create opportunities.
He did do an adequate job at the end of the clock driving to the basket, but that isn't the most efficient way to run an offense. What teams will do this year, is to pack it in and force someone to make shots from the outside. If we don't have someone that can at least keep the defense honest, I had no idea how we are going to score.
Martin did a wonderful job penetrating given his limited right hand, that I can agree with.
With Dedric gone this year Martin will need to start the offense and set others up and he hasn't really shown the ability to CREATE for others off the dribble, last year when he penetrated he was going to the hole but man could he finish through contact with the best of them
And that is with everyone knowing that he was coming. We really didn't have a true power forward on the roster last year. With our size and depth it won't necessarily be a bad thing if Martin drives more and drives earlier even if he misses. We should do a better job of rebounding.
Also, when Dedric had the ball, a lot of the time the other bigs weren't even bothering going to the glass. They knew that they were badly undersized. This year I would think that we will do a much better job on both ends of the boards.
One of our bigs has to be able to make other teams pay OR Brewton is going to have to be able to beat his man off of the dribble every now and then. If the opposing guards are standing 21' from the basket because they have to guard against the 3, we have a chance. If they can camp out 18' from the basket and not worry about us making the shot, we are in huge trouble.
(07-04-2017 11:42 AM)Stammers Wrote: What we do know (I think) is that at least a couple of players will play at a higher level than their ranking and will score more than their sample group, because they will be getting minutes that they would not get otherwise, and they will get shot attempts that they would not be getting otherwise.
If a team returns 2 starters, their 1st and 3rd best scorers and let's say 5 of their top 9, you would expect that the two starters and another 2 returnees would get the bulk of the shots, and there would be an opportunity for 1 or 2 of the newcomers to emerge, given their ranking.
The deal this year is a free for all. Unless there is a drastic change, Rivers is limited in practice and games because of his back, so he is probably going to be limited to 22-25 minutes per game. I expect him to have a breakout year and double his output.
Unless Martin's right hand has improved and he is able to get into the lane more, he isn't going to be able to put up many more shots and he won't have Dedric to throw the ball to with 10 seconds left in the clock to bail him out.
The new guys are going to be able to put up as many shots as they want. Some of them are going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity the same way that Martin was able to last season. Hopefully, it will work out, but if you look at all the variables...
Agree with most of the overall theory here - regardless of your underlying tone.
However, your summarization of Martin's game (bolded above) is off the mark, IMO. He didn't use Dedric to bail him out. The offense was centered around Dedric so much that he used much of the clock just trying to get it in to him. Dedric was not a "bail out" option. He was the best player, and he was the focal point. Rightly so - although it constricted the offense at times. Some of Martin's best play was late in games when he was allowed to playmake after we had gone away from the Dedric-only option. I expect we will see Martin's shots increase to at least 10 per game.
At any time early in the clock, Martin could have penetrated; created his own shot or given someone an opportunity to get one. Opposing defenses know that he isn't good with his right hand, which severely limits his ability to create opportunities.
He did do an adequate job at the end of the clock driving to the basket, but that isn't the most efficient way to run an offense. What teams will do this year, is to pack it in and force someone to make shots from the outside. If we don't have someone that can at least keep the defense honest, I had no idea how we are going to score.
Martin did a wonderful job penetrating given his limited right hand, that I can agree with.
With Dedric gone this year Martin will need to start the offense and set others up and he hasn't really shown the ability to CREATE for others off the dribble, last year when he penetrated he was going to the hole but man could he finish through contact with the best of them
And that is with everyone knowing that he was coming. We really didn't have a true power forward on the roster last year. With our size and depth it won't necessarily be a bad thing if Martin drives more and drives earlier even if he misses. We should do a better job of rebounding.
Also, when Dedric had the ball, a lot of the time the other bigs weren't even bothering going to the glass. They knew that they were badly undersized. This year I would think that we will do a much better job on both ends of the boards.
One of our bigs has to be able to make other teams pay OR Brewton is going to have to be able to beat his man off of the dribble every now and then. If the opposing guards are standing 21' from the basket because they have to guard against the 3, we have a chance. If they can camp out 18' from the basket and not worry about us making the shot, we are in huge trouble.
I think we will rebound better but when we played small last year (without Chad) it kind of opened the floor up for driving lanes early in the season. Later in the season when teams quit guarding KJ at the 3 point line and Markel wouldn't/couldn't shoot the 3 the lane got clogged.
The same could happen this year if we cant put 2 threats out there to hit an open 3 pointer.
(07-05-2017 02:53 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: Hey if we finish 9th, Tubby can say he met expectations... heck, we may finish 8th and he can say we went above and beyond
If we finish 3rd, you will say we were lucky. If we finish 1st you will say the league is down.
(07-05-2017 02:53 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: Hey if we finish 9th, Tubby can say he met expectations... heck, we may finish 8th and he can say we went above and beyond
If we finish 3rd, you will say we were lucky. If we finish 1st you will say the league is down.
I'll say this, if he wins the American with this roster and all the turmoil in the offseason, forget being in the hall of fame, they should name the hall of fame after him.
I think everyone that is doubting and criticizing the performance so far would gladly eat crow and say they were wrong.
(07-05-2017 02:53 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: Hey if we finish 9th, Tubby can say he met expectations... heck, we may finish 8th and he can say we went above and beyond
If we finish 3rd, you will say we were lucky. If we finish 1st you will say the league is down.
I'll say this, if he wins the American with this roster and all the turmoil in the offseason, forget being in the hall of fame, they should name the hall of fame after him.
I think everyone that is doubting and criticizing the performance so far would gladly eat crow and say they were wrong.
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