While waiting for Lad to compile his list, I would like to discuss the Hillary quote that is that last part of my sig.

A resistance generally pops up when there has been a coup or a country has been conquered. Think the French Resistance. Think Bay of Pigs. The use of the phrase seems apt here, as the left is acting as if there has been a coup, albeit a bloodless one. How could the usurper have taken over our country without the aid of outside forces inimical to us? Thus we get the collusion theory. And so we get the investigation mania, that we need bring to bring this coup to light and set things right - i.e., get the usurpers out. The theory seems to be, something must be wrong, since in a sane world this could not happen.

Well, it's not exactly like the French Resistance - nobody is is blowing up bridges, only one so far has taken up arms, and only one actor has said he thought it was time an actor once again assassinated a president(Depp) - but the spirit of fighting the usurpers in every way possible brings to mind the Churchill speech We shall fight them in the fields.

Maybe it is time we all stopped looking at the other side as usurpers that must be stopped and started working together again. I cannot pinpoint when it became more important to win than to govern, but it is time to get back to governing through compromise and cooperation.

(06-23-2017 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  While waiting for Lad to compile his list, I would like to discuss the Hillary quote that is that last part of my sig.

A resistance generally pops up when there has been a coup or a country has been conquered. Think the French Resistance. Think Bay of Pigs. The use of the phrase seems apt here, as the left is acting as if there has been a coup, albeit a bloodless one. How could the usurper have taken over our country without the aid of outside forces inimical to us? Thus we get the collusion theory. And so we get the investigation mania, that we need bring to bring this coup to light and set things right - i.e., get the usurpers out. The theory seems to be, something must be wrong, since in a sane world this could not happen.

Well, it's not exactly like the French Resistance - nobody is is blowing up bridges, only one so far has taken up arms, and only one actor has said he thought it was time an actor once again assassinated a president(Depp) - but the spirit of fighting the usurpers in every way possible brings to mind the Churchill speech We shall fight them in the fields.

Maybe it is time we all stopped looking at the other side as usurpers that must be stopped and started working together again. I cannot pinpoint when it became more important to win than to govern, but it is time to get back to governing through compromise and cooperation.

Sorry OO, been in the field the last few days and managing a few projects in the evening, and now I'm traveling. I'll get back to you in a few days when I'm not as busy.

But I like that you're waiting for my reply!

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/339...out-russia

"...73 percent said they’re worried that the ongoing investigations are preventing Congress from tackling issues more vital to them.

“While the voters have a keen interest in any Russian election interference, they are concerned that the investigations have become a distraction for the president and Congress that is hurting rather than helping the country,” said Harvard-Harris co-director Mark Penn."

(06-23-2017 12:24 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  While waiting for Lad to compile his list, I would like to discuss the Hillary quote that is that last part of my sig.

A resistance generally pops up when there has been a coup or a country has been conquered. Think the French Resistance. Think Bay of Pigs. The use of the phrase seems apt here, as the left is acting as if there has been a coup, albeit a bloodless one. How could the usurper have taken over our country without the aid of outside forces inimical to us? Thus we get the collusion theory. And so we get the investigation mania, that we need bring to bring this coup to light and set things right - i.e., get the usurpers out. The theory seems to be, something must be wrong, since in a sane world this could not happen.

Well, it's not exactly like the French Resistance - nobody is is blowing up bridges, only one so far has taken up arms, and only one actor has said he thought it was time an actor once again assassinated a president(Depp) - but the spirit of fighting the usurpers in every way possible brings to mind the Churchill speech We shall fight them in the fields.

Maybe it is time we all stopped looking at the other side as usurpers that must be stopped and started working together again. I cannot pinpoint when it became more important to win than to govern, but it is time to get back to governing through compromise and cooperation.

Sorry OO, been in the field the last few days and managing a few projects in the evening, and now I'm traveling. I'll get back to you in a few days when I'm not as busy.

But I like that you're waiting for my reply!

I am, with baited breath.

I mean, bated.

I was forwarded this paragraph and found it amusing.

I don't think our progressive friends here will see the humor to the extent I do, but, since it came from a political blog (in which they were discussing recipes and food and such), I did find it a cute juxtaposition and pointedly well-written. (In a PJ O'Rourke-type fashion, I guess...)

"[I]t is time to discuss the inescapable reality that recipes are not received wisdom, that they are, at least for people who are comfortable in the kitchen, guidelines and ideas, not rigid and immutable laws.

Sort of like the US Constitution is for liberals."

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Looks like the travel ban made the SCOTUS docket for the next term, as did the Colorado gay wedding cake baker case.

(06-22-2017 08:17 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 06:38 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 11:43 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 05:27 PM)Barrett Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 05:12 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I wonder what it would take the Trump admin doing to finally get OO to say that it is a bad idea.

I think it's a pretty looooong runway . . .

There's the problem. You guys think this is in defense of Trump. Just saying, the press can still report the news.

As for pretty bad ideas, I have been saying for a year now the Wall is stupid. HELLO? Is this thing on?

I guess I will just have to repeat everything again, since y'all are so selective in your hearing. Trump has done/is doing/wants to do some things I like. he also has done/is doing/wants to do some things I don't like.

When the original list of 17 candidates announced for the nomination, he was about 14-16 on my list. Kasich was first. When it was reduced to 4, Kasich was first again. In between, I went for other candidates - Fiorena, Rubio, others, bu tas they dropped out, I still did not become a Trumpster. I voted for Rubio in the primary. I did not cast a vote for president in the general. Originally, there was one democratic candidate who might have gotten my vote against Trump, Jim Webb. Democrats hated him. Hooda thunk it, Democrats and me like different things.

I think Trump has a lot of bad qualities, some of which are not qualities I would like in a President and some of which are not qualities I would like in a person. Among his bad qualities are NOT collusion with the Russians and obstruction of justice. Those are just formless smoke thrown up to serve the interests of the Democratic party in 2018.
Yet I still would not see him as a role model for my grandsons.

I would not ever vote for Hillary, as she is one of the worst human beings in North America. The deal was sealed for me when she sidled up to Susan Smith and whispered the lie du jour into the ear of a grieving mother. How you guys can overlook that behavior is beyond me. Totally reprehensible and self-serving. True, didn''t much like her before. Zero accomplishments in office and in life, yet she deserves it, it's her turn. Better with Hillary. Snobbish and entitled are not attractive qualities to me. But what the heck, i'm just a deplorable.

Nothing above is new. You have all heard it before. Yet we get the {quoted above}statements purporting that I rubberstamp everything Trump does or says.

A little honesty, fellows, goes a long way.

Why is Clinton being brought up? I find it interesting how frequently she is brought up by our conservative leaning posters.

And we stated, in essence, that you rubberstamp everything Trump does or say because, since the election, you have. Pretty much any time ANY criticism is leveled, you've come to the defense of Trump either directly or by trying to divert the criticism somewhere else. Here are a few examples (a lot of which don't even deal with Russia or obstruction of justice):

Your pushback on a hypothetical about requiring a test be administered to presidential candidates after an interview with Trump (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-142...id14299891)

Your defense about Trump's flub about Andre Jackson (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14306331)

Your tangential argument that one example of Trump's bad habit of parroting the last thing he heard was not him lying (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14307429)

Supporting Trump's decision to allow Russian media into a closed door meeting, and not the US (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14326986)

After I posted photos of Trump treating the Russian ambassador nicely and being ice to Angela Merkel, you pivot immediately away from it without commenting on your thoughts on how Trump is now seemingly doing the same thing you were criticizing Obama for (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14335841)

Ah, the ol' Trump bow in Saudi Arabia and somehow you disagreeing with me about his avoidance of a term by agreeing with me (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...id14351827)

Support of various Trump members incorrectly filling out their security clearance paperwork (http://csnbbs.com/thread-797972-post-143...14365806).

And I'm sure I could keep going.

I will 100% admit that I am very critical of this president, and I have been since he started running. Perhaps your pushback/deflection is just a natural reaction to the team dynamics of this thing, which is understandable. Pretty much everyone is willing to brush off more things that their side did as opposed to the other.

Clinton is being brought up because she was the democratic candidate that Trump defeated. She was the alternative. Your pushback would lead one to think that I was a Trump supporter from the git-go and have blindly rubberstamped his policies just because they were Trump's policies, when in fact I opposed his election and oppose many of his policies and/or his way of implementing them.

Saying I rubberstamp everything when in fact you know I don't is exactly the sort of statement that has led some people to say that Trump lies all the time.

But when I see nonsense, I call nonsense. When I see shades of gray when others are yelling "black and white", I say so. When the crowd is hollering "she's a witch", and all I see is a scapegoat, I say so.

A lot of nonsense and scapegoating going on.

Yep, you and I disagree on a lot of things, Lad, but not on everything, so why do you continue to fight to prove it is everything?

So what is the problem with the press corp taking notes? Is it because it was the Trump Administration that ordered this? Seems to be that way. What is the loss of freedom or the furtherance of the Russians that one sees in this?

I think you are more on a team that I am, so maybe you know more about team dynamics. Maybe I have missed it, but what are the Trump actions that you applauded and support? What choices has he made in economics, foreign policy, and staffing that you have publicly supported? Or what are the Democrats' accusations that you disagree with? I made my opposition to various Trump policies publicly known from the beginning, and you have forgotten that, and with this last post, pointedly ignored it. Go Team!

Trump is president. Not my first choice, nor my last, not my preference, except in comparison with Hillary (his opponent, remember?). I don't like his manner oftentimes, I don't like his tweeting, but I can find things i like, and not just knee jerk like everything or hate everything, as some do.

Tell me what you like about him. I have told you some of the things I don't like about him.

I guess we will have to do without that list.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/three-r...li=BBnb7Kz

CNN, the most trusted name in news, even if they do say so themselves, is tightening up. Finally.

Time out for some humor.

A Republican and a Democrat go shopping together. The find a $200 item on sale for $100. The Democrat buys one and thinks she saved $100. The Republican passes and thinks she saved $100.




I hope somebody smiled.

Tough crowd.

Back to our regular warfare.

So what's the latest in the collusion matter, other than the Van Jones thingie? Have we yet discovered what Trump promised Vlad?

(06-29-2017 07:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So what's the latest in the collusion matter, other than the Van Jones thingie? Have we yet discovered what Trump promised Vlad?

That's what the investigation of the entire Trump administration is for...

But if you're asking for related news, Manafort registered retroactively as a foreign agent for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party yesterday. That's the second time a campaign official for Trump has retroactively registered (Flynn and Turkey being the first).

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27...ine-240027

Also, I'll try and get back to your original request sometime soon, I keep getting distracted with other posts though.

Glad to see the president is spending his time this morning focusing on important issues in a mature and responsible way:

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I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...2310776832

(06-29-2017 09:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 07:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So what's the latest in the collusion matter, other than the Van Jones thingie? Have we yet discovered what Trump promised Vlad?

That's what the investigation of the entire Trump administration is for...

But if you're asking for related news, Manafort registered retroactively as a foreign agent for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party yesterday. That's the second time a campaign official for Trump has retroactively registered (Flynn and Turkey being the first).

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27...ine-240027

Also, I'll try and get back to your original request sometime soon, I keep getting distracted with other posts though.

I'd written off the other request. I am impressed that you have not.

So how is the Manafort registration a brick in the collusion wall? What is the narrative that it supports? That Manafort has always been a secret agent, working for Mother Russia? And that he has done this at Trump's request, to help Trump keep his promises to Vlad? Maybe Trump should just tell Vlad he can be more flexible later. Sufficiently vague.

(06-29-2017 09:16 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad to see the president is spending his time this morning focusing on important issues in a mature and responsible way:

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I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...2310776832

...and just saw that the WH social media director tweeted something about "Dumb as a rock Mika" WTF is wrong with these people?

(06-29-2017 09:50 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:16 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad to see the president is spending his time this morning focusing on important issues in a mature and responsible way:

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I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!
-------


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...2310776832

...and just saw that the WH social media director tweeted something about "Dumb as a rock Mika" WTF is wrong with these people?

miss George W. yet?

he took the attacks from the left with silence and didn't fire back. Still hasn't
i admire his resolve not to respond to wthe criticism, even lies that circulated and still circulate, but I don't know if it is the best way to handle things.

(06-29-2017 12:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:50 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:16 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad to see the president is spending his time this morning focusing on important issues in a mature and responsible way:

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I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...2310776832

...and just saw that the WH social media director tweeted something about "Dumb as a rock Mika" WTF is wrong with these people?

miss George W. yet?

(06-29-2017 12:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:50 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:16 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Glad to see the president is spending his time this morning focusing on important issues in a mature and responsible way:

------
I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!
-------


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...2310776832

...and just saw that the WH social media director tweeted something about "Dumb as a rock Mika" WTF is wrong with these people?

miss George W. yet?

he took the attacks from the left with silence and didn't fire back. Still hasn't
i admire his resolve not to respond to wthe criticism, even lies that circulated and still circulate, but I don't know if it is the best way to handle things.

You were similarly admirable of Obama?

I kind of viewed that as a trait that the President needed to have, which was a huge disqualifier in my book for Trump.

(06-29-2017 09:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 07:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So what's the latest in the collusion matter, other than the Van Jones thingie? Have we yet discovered what Trump promised Vlad?

That's what the investigation of the entire Trump administration is for...

But if you're asking for related news, Manafort registered retroactively as a foreign agent for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party yesterday. That's the second time a campaign official for Trump has retroactively registered (Flynn and Turkey being the first).

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27...ine-240027

Also, I'll try and get back to your original request sometime soon, I keep getting distracted with other posts though.

I'd written off the other request. I am impressed that you have not.

So how is the Manafort registration a brick in the collusion wall? What is the narrative that it supports? That Manafort has always been a secret agent, working for Mother Russia? And that he has done this at Trump's request, to help Trump keep his promises to Vlad? Maybe Trump should just tell Vlad he can be more flexible later. Sufficiently vague.

If you're asking for theories...

Manafort was paid by a Pro-Russian Ukranian outfit to explicitly get Trump to accept and promote Pro-Russian ideas.

Ever hear about how the language about Russia's incursion in Ukraine was softened during the Republican Convention, and the rumors were that Trump's people were leading that change?

So: $$ from Russians -> Manafort -> pushes through changes in how we treat Russia's incursion into Ukraine

I've said this time and again, I will be shocked if Trump was integrally involved with anything relating to Russia. It is the people who surround him that have me more concerned.

As a general rule, when Republican members of Congress are using the hashtag #StopTheTwitterTantrums referring to the POTUS, that's not good...

(06-29-2017 03:58 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  As a general rule, when Republican members of Congress are using the hashtag #StopTheTwitterTantrums referring to the POTUS, that's not good...

Good, some are growing a spine that they should have. Trump has been a garbage human being since he entered the race. Glad a few are finally getting that after this last tweet.

(06-29-2017 09:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 09:13 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 07:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  So what's the latest in the collusion matter, other than the Van Jones thingie? Have we yet discovered what Trump promised Vlad?

That's what the investigation of the entire Trump administration is for...

But if you're asking for related news, Manafort registered retroactively as a foreign agent for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party yesterday. That's the second time a campaign official for Trump has retroactively registered (Flynn and Turkey being the first).

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27...ine-240027

Also, I'll try and get back to your original request sometime soon, I keep getting distracted with other posts though.

I'd written off the other request. I am impressed that you have not.

So how is the Manafort registration a brick in the collusion wall? What is the narrative that it supports? That Manafort has always been a secret agent, working for Mother Russia? And that he has done this at Trump's request, to help Trump keep his promises to Vlad? Maybe Trump should just tell Vlad he can be more flexible later. Sufficiently vague.

OO - per this headline, apparently Trump just hadn't thought of the things to give Putin. Lololololol

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-put...sia-2017-6

(I don't buy this yet, but found it timely)