I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

You are right. Tubby is great, Memphis sucks.

Does that make you happy?

last I checked, Randolph Morris, Rajan Rondo and Joe Crawford aren't coming thru this door

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Great point.. using these parameters we should have hired Nolan Richardson – better resume..

(06-06-2017 09:53 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  last I checked, Randolph Morris, Rajan Rondo and Joe Crawford aren't coming thru this door

Interesting you said this. I have a feeling that Tubby stopped recruiting this type of players after this class.
1. Rondo was a jerk as he is now. He would not pass the ball to Joe
2. Crawford had his own issues
3. Morris was trying to save his body for NBA so he was a bust

The best player in that class was Bradley who had fewer stars but much bigger heart. He actually helped BCG greatly.

Very good example.

Go Tigers

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

(06-06-2017 09:13 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  You are right. Tubby is great, Memphis sucks.

Does that make you happy?

That was my post originally. So who are you asking the question of?

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(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Every one of those players had issues that kept the blue bloods from making them a number 1 priority.
Shaq got call out by the USA basketball staff for his work effort.
Adonis had no heart.
Even Joe who did more for Pastner than probably any other player during his time here almost transferred out...TWICE.
Crawford really didn't have that much drama but also didn't create that much hype compared to the others
Face it. Pastner usually got the elite players that the blue blood schools had cooled on for one reason or another. Those reasons usually manifested themselves on the floor or in the locker room over the course of a season. That is why we rarely achieved up to the level of our recruit ranking or even the team's preseason ranking. Pastner recruited to please the fans not to build a solid well-balanced team.


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(06-07-2017 10:19 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

According to KenPom in 2016, Texas Tech played the 10th toughest schedule in the nation.

(06-07-2017 06:56 AM)big12tigers Wrote:  Great point.. using these parameters we should have hired Nolan Richardson – better resume..

Was he interested in the job?

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(06-07-2017 11:49 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Every one of those players had issues that kept the blue bloods from making them a number 1 priority.
Shaq got call out by the USA basketball staff for his work effort.
Adonis had no heart.
Even Joe who did more for Pastner than probably any other player during his time here almost transferred out...TWICE.
Crawford really didn't have that much drama but also didn't create that much hype compared to the others
Face it. Pastner usually got the elite players that the blue blood schools had cooled on for one reason or another. Those reasons usually manifested themselves on the floor or in the locker room over the course of a season. That is why we rarely achieved up to the level of our recruit ranking or even the team's preseason ranking. Pastner recruited to please the fans not to build a solid well-balanced team.


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You are being revisionist after the fact...At the time of their recruitment they had no issues

Shaq with USA Basketball was after he was already committed...
Adonis Heart was not questioned in High School...He was a beast
JJ wanting to transfer was not HS baggage

These kids were high level players when they left high school and by most accounts good kids.

I am more of the belief that Pastner couldn't coach the kids he recruited and that is why we didn't get to where their recruiting rankings suggested.

If what you say is true heck we probably should have kept Pastner because eventually he would have figured out how to weed out bad apples and been successful here. You are putting all of Pastners failures on the back of the players.

(06-07-2017 10:19 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

As I have said, I don't think Tubby is the guy that is going to get us back to a national championship game. I do think he is going to get us back to a level of respectability that allows us to hire that guy. I believe this is his last run. As far as all those other schools he coached, they are the reason I think we will get there. Memphis would have gotten to the dance with TT's record if we had been in the B12 and were playing Kansas, Baylor, OK and OK St. In 2016. At Georgia Tubby made the tournament and had to go up against KY, FL and even a decent UT (makes me gag to admit it) team consistently. He did well enough to get offered a job from an in conference rival who must have seen something in the the guy after pmaying him twice a season. Did pretty good at KY. MN actually had his success spread across his tenure evidenced by the fact that he took his team to the dance the last year he was there. Did the same thing at TT and then we hired him. Is TT as good as Memphis in terms of brand ... No. But that team was better than we have been lately and Tubby is a great program builder/rebuilder.

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(06-07-2017 12:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 11:49 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Every one of those players had issues that kept the blue bloods from making them a number 1 priority.
Shaq got call out by the USA basketball staff for his work effort.
Adonis had no heart.
Even Joe who did more for Pastner than probably any other player during his time here almost transferred out...TWICE.
Crawford really didn't have that much drama but also didn't create that much hype compared to the others
Face it. Pastner usually got the elite players that the blue blood schools had cooled on for one reason or another. Those reasons usually manifested themselves on the floor or in the locker room over the course of a season. That is why we rarely achieved up to the level of our recruit ranking or even the team's preseason ranking. Pastner recruited to please the fans not to build a solid well-balanced team.


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You are being revisionist after the fact...At the time of their recruitment they had no issues

Shaq with USA Basketball was after he was already committed...
Adonis Heart was not questioned in High School...He was a beast
JJ wanting to transfer was not HS baggage

These kids were high level players when they left high school and by most accounts good kids.

I am more of the belief that Pastner couldn't coach the kids he recruited and that is why we didn't get to where their recruiting rankings suggested.

If what you say is true heck we probably should have kept Pastner because eventually he would have figured out how to weed out bad apples and been successful here. You are putting all of Pastners failures on the back of the players.

Just using the issues that came up to show the point.
Shaq's flippant attitude was well discussed among coaches before he ever got out of high school.
Adonis was a tweener and that may have been more of a reason.
Joe was a size issue more than posse coming out of high school.
In fairness, Austin was probably the "can't miss" pick whose issues no one saw coming. Kind of got pressured to stay home and it may have destroyed him or he may not have had the fortitude to handle adversity anywhere. Just a big waste unfortunately.

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(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Just win. Neither he nor pastner won enough games that mattered to justify $3M.

(06-07-2017 11:53 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:19 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

According to KenPom in 2016, Texas Tech played the 10th toughest schedule in the nation.

Exhibition

11/02/2015*
7:00 PM, Texas Tech TV Concordia (TX) W 100–49

11/09/2015*
7:00 PM, Texas Tech TV West Texas A&M W 91–74


Non-conference

11/13/2015*
High Point W 77–73

No. 16 Utah
Puerto Rico Tip-Off quarterfinals L 63–73

11/20/2015*
Mississippi State
Puerto Rico Tip-Off consolation round W 76–74

11/22/2015*
Minnesota
Puerto Rico Tip-Off 5th place game W 81–68

11/28/2015*
3:00 PM, FSSW+ Hawaii W 82–74

12/02/2015*
Sam Houston State W 71–56

12/09/2015*
Tennessee–Martin W 68–49

12/16/2015*
South Dakota State W 79–67

12/19/2015*
Arkansas–Pine Bluff W 94–54

12/22/2015*
Arkansas–Little Rock W 65–53

12/29/2015*
Richmond W 85–70

Conference games

01/02/2016
Texas W 82–74

01/06/2016
No. 13 Iowa State L 69–76

01/09/2016
No. 1 Kansas L 59–69

01/12/2016
at Kansas State L 70–83

01/16/2016
No. 22 Baylor L 60–63

01/18/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNU at TCU W 76–69

01/23/2016
No. 6 West Virginia L 76–80

01/26/2016
No. 1 Oklahoma L 67–91

at Arkansas
Big 12/SEC Challenge L 68–75 OT

02/03/2016
Oklahoma State W 63–61 OT

02/06/2016
1:00 PM, LHN at Texas L 59–69

02/10/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 14 Iowa State W 85–82 OT

02/13/2016
at No. 21 Baylor W 84–66

02/17/2016
No. 3 Oklahoma W 65–63

02/20/2016
at Oklahoma State W 71–61

02/23/2016
TCU W 83–79

02/27/2016
No. 2 Kansas L 58–67

03/02/2016
No. 10 West Virginia L 68–90

03/05/2016
Kansas State W 80–71

Big 12 Tournament
03/09/2016
8:30 PM, ESPNU (7) vs. (10) TCU
First round L 62–67

NCAA Tournament
03/17/2016*
11:40 AM, TruTV (8 MW) vs. (9 MW) Butler
First round L 61–71

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80...tball_team

Subjectively: 10-1 after wins vs Highpoint, Miss St, Minn, Hawaii, Sam Houston St, Tennessee Martin, South Dakota St, Arkansas Pine Bluff, Arkansas Little Rock, Richmond than finished 19-11 (9-9 in Big12), 3-8 vs Ranked Opponents. Split with Oklahoma who went to Final4, Split with Baylor (ranked) who lost 1st Rd NCAA Tourney, 0-2 vs Baylor (ranked) who lost 1st Rd Tourney, Split w/Iowa St (ranked) who went to Sweet 16, 0-2 vs Kansas (to Elite 8)

Oklahoma, Baylor, Iowa St wins are huge if you're to consider this a great season.

Yeah...tell ya what, I'll remove opinion/subjectivity.....you be the judge......

(06-07-2017 10:19 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 08:57 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  I have coached national champions in 3 different sports (in fairness and full disclosure, none of those sports was basketball). I also have a degree in psychology and a masters in kinesiology both with an emphasis in sports psyc and motor learning. I may not know a lot but I can watch a game and tell when players are tanking. Considering our position regarding roster and bench (admittedly Tubby's own fault) I don't know what he could have done except play the walk-ons to make a point. If he goes that route he would have had to throw the Lawsons under the bus at the press conference after the game. So far, I have yet to see him do that to any ayer on his team. He never wanted dad there but had to take him. Maybe this was his way of saying "See they are a distraction." without actually saying it. No matter how much anyone complains, at this point in his career, Tubby is going to do things exactly his way. If you look at his coaching career, Tubby has done 3 things that the Memphis program has not...
1. Over the length of his career, Tubby has gotten to the dance more than Memphis.
2. Tubby has traditionally overperformed compared to his level of program/talent while Memphis has traditionally underperformed.
3. Tubby's got a national championship. The best Memphis has is 1st loser.

Even if you want to make the "what has he done recently" argument, Tubby at least had to make hotel reservations for the NCAA tournament more recently than we have. The fact of the matter is this, everyone is running around saying Memphis is a better job than Tubby is a coach but the facts (results in the end are all that matter) say that Tubby is better than Memphis. I know people want Tubby to move more quickly to right the ship (me included) but that just isn't going to happen. The man is a grinder and pretty stubborn. Its just the way it is. But in the long run, he gets it done. As far as Saul goes, Tubby will always surround himself with those he trusts first (1st reason Keelon wasn't going to last here. Even before Tubby got here the guy had nothing to make anyone trust him. Look at all the games he played during recruitment). Others have also thought highly of Saul for example Tom Izzo (who I would personally take over ANY coach in the nation if that option was ever available). I do wish Tubby would hire a great recruiter but that guy would be hamstrung by having to get "Tubby's kind of guys". Tubby will always take "no baggage" over talent. Pastner was the exact opposite. He never had talent that didn't have baggage attached. Name one top player he got that didn't have something going on. That is why all those teams underperformed. Some of those players panned out (Will, Joe, Geron, Shaq) but most succumbed to the issues that allowed Josh to get them over the blue bloods in the first place. If you want good solid teams over the long run Tubby will get you that but its not going to happen fast. Sorry so long a post. I'm done

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

You are wrong about TTech that season. Their RPI was 36 and they beat 3 ranked teams in a row in Feb. If Memphis has such a resume, we would be in as well. A 36 RPI team is rarely left out of the tourney. As for TCU (6-12 in the Big 12) they beat KU in the Big 12 tourney this year; does that negate KU's season?

(06-07-2017 01:12 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 11:53 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:19 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 09:10 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  

Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

According to KenPom in 2016, Texas Tech played the 10th toughest schedule in the nation.

Date
Time, TV

Rank#

Opponent#

Result

Record

High points

High rebounds

High assists

Site (Attendance)
City, State


Exhibition

11/02/2015*
7:00 PM, Texas Tech TV Concordia (TX) W 100–49
15 – Tied 15 – Ross 5 – Williamson United Supermarkets Arena (4,677)
Lubbock, TX
11/09/2015*
7:00 PM, Texas Tech TV West Texas A&M W 91–74
23 – Gotcher 8 – Manderson 4 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (5,236)
Lubbock, TX

Non-conference

11/13/2015*
8:00 PM, FCS High Point W 77–73 1–0
26 – Williams 8 – Williams 3 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (5,881)
Lubbock, TX
11/19/2015*
6:00 PM, ESPN2 vs. No. 16 Utah
Puerto Rico Tip-Off quarterfinals L 63–73 1–1
12 – Gotcher 8 – Smith 5 – Gotcher Roberto Clemente Coliseum (1,947)
San Juan, PR
11/20/2015*
4:00 PM, ESPNU vs. Mississippi State
Puerto Rico Tip-Off consolation round W 76–74 2–1
15 – Williams 10 – Odiase 3 – Williams Roberto Clemente Coliseum (2,001)
San Juan, PR
11/22/2015*
1:30 PM, ESPNU vs. Minnesota
Puerto Rico Tip-Off 5th place game W 81–68 3–1
21 – Williams 9 – Ross 5 – Evans Roberto Clemente Coliseum (1,492)
San Juan, PR
11/28/2015*
3:00 PM, FSSW+ Hawaii W 82–74 4–1
19 – Williams 7 – Williams 4 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (7,132)
Lubbock, TX
12/02/2015*
8:00 PM, FSSW+ Sam Houston State W 71–56 5–1
16 – Odiase 14 – Smith 4 – Smith United Supermarkets Arena (6,545)
Lubbock, TX
12/09/2015*
8:00 PM, FSSW+ Tennessee–Martin W 68–49 6–1
20 – Gotcher 7 – Ross 7 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (5,767)
Lubbock, TX
12/16/2015*
7:00 PM, FSSW+ South Dakota State W 79–67 7–1
17 – Gotcher 6 – Smith 4 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (5,438)
Lubbock, TX
12/19/2015*
3:00 PM, FSSW+ Arkansas–Pine Bluff W 94–54 8–1
15 – Ross 7 – Odiase 4 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (6,612)
Lubbock, TX
12/22/2015*
2:00 PM, FSSW Arkansas–Little Rock W 65–53 9–1
12 – Gotcher 12 – Smith 3 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (5,955)
Lubbock, TX
12/29/2015*
4:00 PM, FSSW+ Richmond W 85–70 10–1
17 – Williams 9 – Odiase 5 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (1,994)
Lubbock, TX

Conference games

01/02/2016
1:00 PM, ESPNU Texas W 82–74 11–1
(1–0) 23 – Williams 7 – Odiase 3 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (12,689)
Lubbock, TX
01/06/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU at No. 13 Iowa State L 69–76 11–2
(1–1) 14 – Gray 9 – Gray 8 – Gotcher Hilton Coliseum (14,384)
Ames, IA
01/09/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 1 Kansas L 59–69 11–3
(1–2) 14 – Odiase 6 – Smith 3 – Thomas United Supermarkets Arena (14,231)
Lubbock, TX
01/12/2016
7:00 PM, FSSW at Kansas State L 70–83 11–4
(1–3) 23 – Gray 8 – Gray 4 – Ross Bramlage Coliseum (12,316)
Manhattan, KS
01/16/2016
2:00 PM, FSSW No. 22 Baylor L 60–63 11–5
(1–4) 16 – Williams 7 – Smith 3 – Odiase United Supermarkets Arena (12,827)
Lubbock, TX
01/18/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNU at TCU W 76–69 12–5
(2–4) 16 – Ross 9 – Smith 5 – Smith Schollmaier Arena (5,905)
Fort Worth, TX
01/23/2016
12:00 PM, ESPNews No. 6 West Virginia L 76–80 12–6
(2–5) 18 – Z. Smith 6 – Gray 3 – Thomas United Supermarkets Arena (10,732)
Lubbock, TX
01/26/2016
6:00 PM, ESPN2 at No. 1 Oklahoma L 67–91 12–7
(2–6) 20 – Gray 14 – Z. Smith 4 – Evans Lloyd Noble Center (10,682)
Norman, OK
01/30/2016*
3:00 PM, ESPNU at Arkansas
Big 12/SEC Challenge L 68–75 OT 12–8
19 – Smith 9 – Ross 3 – Evans Bud Walton Arena (15,975)
Fayetteville, AR
02/03/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNews Oklahoma State W 63–61 OT 13–8
(3–6) 22 – Ross 8 – Z. Smith 2 – Thomas United Supermarkets Arena (10,032)
Lubbock, TX
02/06/2016
1:00 PM, LHN at Texas L 59–69 13–9
(3–7) 14 – Evans 7 – Z. Smith 4 – Z. Smith Frank Erwin Center (14,951)
Austin, TX
02/10/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 14 Iowa State W 85–82 OT 14–9
(4–7) 20 – Ross 7 – Z. Smith 7 – Gotcher United Supermarkets Arena (6,715)
Lubbock, TX
02/13/2016
7:00 PM, ESPNU at No. 21 Baylor W 84–66 15–9
(5–7) 21 – Evans 9 – Z. Smith 5 – Evans Ferrell Center (7,540)
Waco, TX
02/17/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 3 Oklahoma W 65–63 16–9
(6–7) 17 – Ross 9 – Z. Smith 3 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (14,471)
Lubbock, TX
02/20/2016
8:30 PM, ESPNU at Oklahoma State W 71–61 17–9
(7–7) 24 – Gotcher 9 – Tied 4 – Evans Gallagher-Iba Arena (4,679)
Stillwater, OK
02/23/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNews TCU W 83–79 18–9
(8–7) 25 – Ross 8 – Z. Smith 3 – 3 tied United Supermarkets Arena (9,676)
Lubbock, TX
02/27/2016
11:00 AM, ESPN at No. 2 Kansas L 58–67 18–10
(8–8) 20 – Gotcher 14 – Z. Smith 5 – Evans Allen Fieldhouse (16,300)
Lawrence, KS
03/02/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNU at No. 10 West Virginia L 68–90 18–11
(8–9) 15 – Gray 5 – Ross 2 – 5 tied WVU Coliseum (12,680)
Morgantown, WV
03/05/2016
2:00 PM, ESPNews Kansas State W 80–71 19–11
(9–9) 20 – Tied 6 – Tied 3 – Tied United Supermarkets Arena (12,359)
Lubbock, TX

Big 12 Tournament

03/09/2016
8:30 PM, ESPNU (7) vs. (10) TCU
First round L 62–67 19–12
13 – Tied 15 – Z. Smith 5 – Williams Sprint Center (18,972)
Kansas City, MO

NCAA Tournament

03/17/2016*
11:40 AM, TruTV (8 MW) vs. (9 MW) Butler
First round L 61–71 19–13
18 – Williams 7 – Evans 5 – Evans PNC Arena (19,722)
Raleigh, NC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80...tball_team

Yeah....you be the judge......

WUT?

(06-07-2017 01:17 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 01:12 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 11:53 AM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 10:19 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-07-2017 03:57 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Good Post but Pastner got some good players without baggage

Shaq, Adonis, King, JJ, Tarik, Crawford and Austing to name a few.

Exactly! Tubby can "succeed" based on what your definition of succeed is. I hope Tubby has Pitino on the line to get us a Natl contender put together.

Do I want the Texas Tech NCAA Tourney Team? The 18-13 vs poor competition, 3-8 vs ranked opponents (if I remember correctly), bounced from Big12 tourney by pre Jamie Dixon 10 seen TCU (if memory serves).....NO! In fact, that team doesn't get in with MEMPHIS across the chest. We don't get that kind of respect. Nor do I think that is good enough....at MEMPHIS. At Texas Tech, that's great. Tulsa...good for them. Georgia at 4th in SEC....way to go! That's great!

Does Tubby have accomplishments? Yes!

Is he a Hall of Famer? Not in my book. Not by a long shot. Tubby knows the game. Tubby doesn't.....from outward appearances.....break NCAA rules. At least I hope not! If you cheat, you should be competitive! Tubby grooms young men. Men with often less than optimal family situations (most the NCAA BBall landscape). But I want BBall results. I want to take a school with Top 25 pedigree that recruits Top 25 talent and competes at Top 25 level. Tubby hasn't proven to be that guy. Squeeking into the field of 64/68 does not impress me.

According to KenPom in 2016, Texas Tech played the 10th toughest schedule in the nation.

Date
Time, TV

Rank#

Opponent#

Result

Record

High points

High rebounds

High assists

Site (Attendance)
City, State


Exhibition

11/02/2015*
7:00 PM, Texas Tech TV Concordia (TX) W 100–49
15 – Tied 15 – Ross 5 – Williamson United Supermarkets Arena (4,677)
Lubbock, TX
11/09/2015*
7:00 PM, Texas Tech TV West Texas A&M W 91–74
23 – Gotcher 8 – Manderson 4 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (5,236)
Lubbock, TX

Non-conference

11/13/2015*
8:00 PM, FCS High Point W 77–73 1–0
26 – Williams 8 – Williams 3 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (5,881)
Lubbock, TX
11/19/2015*
6:00 PM, ESPN2 vs. No. 16 Utah
Puerto Rico Tip-Off quarterfinals L 63–73 1–1
12 – Gotcher 8 – Smith 5 – Gotcher Roberto Clemente Coliseum (1,947)
San Juan, PR
11/20/2015*
4:00 PM, ESPNU vs. Mississippi State
Puerto Rico Tip-Off consolation round W 76–74 2–1
15 – Williams 10 – Odiase 3 – Williams Roberto Clemente Coliseum (2,001)
San Juan, PR
11/22/2015*
1:30 PM, ESPNU vs. Minnesota
Puerto Rico Tip-Off 5th place game W 81–68 3–1
21 – Williams 9 – Ross 5 – Evans Roberto Clemente Coliseum (1,492)
San Juan, PR
11/28/2015*
3:00 PM, FSSW+ Hawaii W 82–74 4–1
19 – Williams 7 – Williams 4 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (7,132)
Lubbock, TX
12/02/2015*
8:00 PM, FSSW+ Sam Houston State W 71–56 5–1
16 – Odiase 14 – Smith 4 – Smith United Supermarkets Arena (6,545)
Lubbock, TX
12/09/2015*
8:00 PM, FSSW+ Tennessee–Martin W 68–49 6–1
20 – Gotcher 7 – Ross 7 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (5,767)
Lubbock, TX
12/16/2015*
7:00 PM, FSSW+ South Dakota State W 79–67 7–1
17 – Gotcher 6 – Smith 4 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (5,438)
Lubbock, TX
12/19/2015*
3:00 PM, FSSW+ Arkansas–Pine Bluff W 94–54 8–1
15 – Ross 7 – Odiase 4 – Williams United Supermarkets Arena (6,612)
Lubbock, TX
12/22/2015*
2:00 PM, FSSW Arkansas–Little Rock W 65–53 9–1
12 – Gotcher 12 – Smith 3 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (5,955)
Lubbock, TX
12/29/2015*
4:00 PM, FSSW+ Richmond W 85–70 10–1
17 – Williams 9 – Odiase 5 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (1,994)
Lubbock, TX

Conference games

01/02/2016
1:00 PM, ESPNU Texas W 82–74 11–1
(1–0) 23 – Williams 7 – Odiase 3 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (12,689)
Lubbock, TX
01/06/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU at No. 13 Iowa State L 69–76 11–2
(1–1) 14 – Gray 9 – Gray 8 – Gotcher Hilton Coliseum (14,384)
Ames, IA
01/09/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 1 Kansas L 59–69 11–3
(1–2) 14 – Odiase 6 – Smith 3 – Thomas United Supermarkets Arena (14,231)
Lubbock, TX
01/12/2016
7:00 PM, FSSW at Kansas State L 70–83 11–4
(1–3) 23 – Gray 8 – Gray 4 – Ross Bramlage Coliseum (12,316)
Manhattan, KS
01/16/2016
2:00 PM, FSSW No. 22 Baylor L 60–63 11–5
(1–4) 16 – Williams 7 – Smith 3 – Odiase United Supermarkets Arena (12,827)
Lubbock, TX
01/18/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNU at TCU W 76–69 12–5
(2–4) 16 – Ross 9 – Smith 5 – Smith Schollmaier Arena (5,905)
Fort Worth, TX
01/23/2016
12:00 PM, ESPNews No. 6 West Virginia L 76–80 12–6
(2–5) 18 – Z. Smith 6 – Gray 3 – Thomas United Supermarkets Arena (10,732)
Lubbock, TX
01/26/2016
6:00 PM, ESPN2 at No. 1 Oklahoma L 67–91 12–7
(2–6) 20 – Gray 14 – Z. Smith 4 – Evans Lloyd Noble Center (10,682)
Norman, OK
01/30/2016*
3:00 PM, ESPNU at Arkansas
Big 12/SEC Challenge L 68–75 OT 12–8
19 – Smith 9 – Ross 3 – Evans Bud Walton Arena (15,975)
Fayetteville, AR
02/03/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNews Oklahoma State W 63–61 OT 13–8
(3–6) 22 – Ross 8 – Z. Smith 2 – Thomas United Supermarkets Arena (10,032)
Lubbock, TX
02/06/2016
1:00 PM, LHN at Texas L 59–69 13–9
(3–7) 14 – Evans 7 – Z. Smith 4 – Z. Smith Frank Erwin Center (14,951)
Austin, TX
02/10/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 14 Iowa State W 85–82 OT 14–9
(4–7) 20 – Ross 7 – Z. Smith 7 – Gotcher United Supermarkets Arena (6,715)
Lubbock, TX
02/13/2016
7:00 PM, ESPNU at No. 21 Baylor W 84–66 15–9
(5–7) 21 – Evans 9 – Z. Smith 5 – Evans Ferrell Center (7,540)
Waco, TX
02/17/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNU No. 3 Oklahoma W 65–63 16–9
(6–7) 17 – Ross 9 – Z. Smith 3 – Evans United Supermarkets Arena (14,471)
Lubbock, TX
02/20/2016
8:30 PM, ESPNU at Oklahoma State W 71–61 17–9
(7–7) 24 – Gotcher 9 – Tied 4 – Evans Gallagher-Iba Arena (4,679)
Stillwater, OK
02/23/2016
8:00 PM, ESPNews TCU W 83–79 18–9
(8–7) 25 – Ross 8 – Z. Smith 3 – 3 tied United Supermarkets Arena (9,676)
Lubbock, TX
02/27/2016
11:00 AM, ESPN at No. 2 Kansas L 58–67 18–10
(8–8) 20 – Gotcher 14 – Z. Smith 5 – Evans Allen Fieldhouse (16,300)
Lawrence, KS
03/02/2016
6:00 PM, ESPNU at No. 10 West Virginia L 68–90 18–11
(8–9) 15 – Gray 5 – Ross 2 – 5 tied WVU Coliseum (12,680)
Morgantown, WV
03/05/2016
2:00 PM, ESPNews Kansas State W 80–71 19–11
(9–9) 20 – Tied 6 – Tied 3 – Tied United Supermarkets Arena (12,359)
Lubbock, TX

Big 12 Tournament

03/09/2016
8:30 PM, ESPNU (7) vs. (10) TCU
First round L 62–67 19–12
13 – Tied 15 – Z. Smith 5 – Williams Sprint Center (18,972)
Kansas City, MO

NCAA Tournament

03/17/2016*
11:40 AM, TruTV (8 MW) vs. (9 MW) Butler
First round L 61–71 19–13
18 – Williams 7 – Evans 5 – Evans PNC Arena (19,722)
Raleigh, NC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80...tball_team

Yeah....you be the judge......

WUT?

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