https://www.rt.com/news/391164-ontario-g...-children/

Quote:Legislation passed by the Canadian province of Ontario has granted authorities the right to take children away from parents who refuse to accept their children’s “gender identity.” Critics of the new measure launched a petition aiming for a repeal of the “totalitarian” child abuse bill.
Out of Ontario’s 86 legislators, 63 voted in favor of Bill 89 or “The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017” on June 1.

The legislation replaces the Child and Family Services Act which used to govern child protection, foster care and adoption services in the province.

The new law includes “gender identity” and “gender expression” as factors to be considered by child protection services “in the best interests of the child.”

It deprives parents of their earlier right to “direct the child’s education and religious upbringing.”

The family is now only allowed to “direct the child or young person’s education and upbringing, in accordance with the child’s or young person’s creed, community identity and cultural identity.”

what the actual ****?

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This seems short sighted.

(06-06-2017 06:49 PM)q5sys Wrote:  https://www.rt.com/news/391164-ontario-g...-children/

Quote:Legislation passed by the Canadian province of Ontario has granted authorities the right to take children away from parents who refuse to accept their children’s “gender identity.” Critics of the new measure launched a petition aiming for a repeal of the “totalitarian” child abuse bill.
Out of Ontario’s 86 legislators, 63 voted in favor of Bill 89 or “The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017” on June 1.

The legislation replaces the Child and Family Services Act which used to govern child protection, foster care and adoption services in the province.

The new law includes “gender identity” and “gender expression” as factors to be considered by child protection services “in the best interests of the child.”

It deprives parents of their earlier right to “direct the child’s education and religious upbringing.”

The family is now only allowed to “direct the child or young person’s education and upbringing, in accordance with the child’s or young person’s creed, community identity and cultural identity.”

First of all, the article is from a government (RT is the Russian Government) that is running literal concentration camps for Gays in one of its regions. So there's that.

Next, yes, if a parent wishes to beat the Gay or Trans out of the kid, yep..the kids should be taken away from the parents.

Do you think parents should be able to drive LGBT kids to suicide, or beat them or isolate them simply because they are LGBT?

If so, you'd be an awful parent.

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By the way, the bill only authorizes the child's sexual orientation and/or gender identity to be CONSIDERED.

(06-06-2017 07:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  First of all, the article is from a government that is running literal concentration camps for Gays in one of its regions. So there's that.

Citation needed.

Here are other sources for the same article, since you want to dismiss it because of 'muh russians'.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/canadas-...-identity/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ransition/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/05/ontari...ild-abuse/

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/05...-identity/

By the way, the main target of this bill are....Canadian Muslims and Canadian immigrants from anti-Gay countries in Africa, who sometimes engage in extreme abuses of LGBT kids.

I thought y'all were upset about that abuse.....

By the way, the law says....consider as a factor....not the only factor.

(06-06-2017 07:19 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  First of all, the article is from a government that is running literal concentration camps for Gays in one of its regions. So there's that.

Citation needed.

Here are other sources for the same article, since you want to dismiss it because of 'muh russians'.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/canadas-...-identity/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ransition/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/05/ontari...ild-abuse/

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/05...-identity/

Spare me with your white nationalist websites

The fact that Putin's Russia has Concentration Camps for LGBT persons is so obvious by this point....that I can just go to the Wikipedia for it. At the bottom of the item, there are EIGHTY-SIX references....knock yourself out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_concen...n_Chechnya

You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

(06-06-2017 07:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

Yep. My son doesn't want to wear dresses, but I don't let him wear basketball jerseys to school. Am I driving him to suicide?

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(06-06-2017 07:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

Yep. My son doesn't want to wear dresses, but I don't let him wear basketball jerseys to school. Am I driving him to suicide?

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If your child was LGBT, and you isolated him from any supportive or non-hateful associations, or beat him for it, or punished him for 'being him', or tried to kidnap him and send him back to his evangelical cousins in Nigeria so he could get beat up daily....yea, that could drive a kid to suicide.

(06-06-2017 07:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

Yep. My son doesn't want to wear dresses, but I don't let him wear basketball jerseys to school. Am I driving him to suicide?

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If your child was LGBT, and you isolated him from any supportive or non-hateful associations, or beat him for it, or punished him for 'being him', or tried to kidnap him and send him back to his evangelical cousins in Nigeria so he could get beat up daily....yea, that could drive a kid to suicide.

What does that have to do with any of this? Abuse is already covered. No new law needed.

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(06-06-2017 07:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

Yep. My son doesn't want to wear dresses, but I don't let him wear basketball jerseys to school. Am I driving him to suicide?

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If your child was LGBT, and you isolated him from any supportive or non-hateful associations, or beat him for it, or punished him for 'being him', or tried to kidnap him and send him back to his evangelical cousins in Nigeria so he could get beat up daily....yea, that could drive a kid to suicide.

Seemed to have hit the wrong quote.

(06-06-2017 07:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  First of all, .... Attacks the source

Next, .... Compares "acceptance" and non acceptance to "Beating"

By the way, Says it's ok because it only allows consideration

And you have the nerve to piss and moan about your rights tom... You're ok with taking peoples kids away based on straw men..

(06-06-2017 07:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

THIS.... Every time a little boy decides he wants to play with barbies a liberal parent will regender the damn kid and get a pat on the back for it from their community.

(06-06-2017 07:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:40 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:34 PM)Paul M Wrote:  You're a bad parent if you let little Billy wear a dress and don't correct his idiotic notion he's a girl.

Yep. My son doesn't want to wear dresses, but I don't let him wear basketball jerseys to school. Am I driving him to suicide?

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If your child was LGBT, and you isolated him from any supportive or non-hateful associations, or beat him for it, or punished him for 'being him', or tried to kidnap him and send him back to his evangelical cousins in Nigeria so he could get beat up daily....yea, that could drive a kid to suicide.

Beating was always illegal. Allowing a 6 year old who thinks they are the other sex to pretend they are is a form of child abuse as much as depriving them of proper clothing and such a parent shouldn't be a parent, although I'm not sure I would override their parental rights. This law is offensive on two levels-one overriding parents rights and two enforcing mistreatment of children.

Would taking the child to a psychiatrist (who is an MD) be considered child abuse?

(06-06-2017 07:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The fact that Putin's Russia has Concentration Camps for LGBT persons is so obvious by this point....that I can just go to the Wikipedia for it. At the bottom of the item, there are EIGHTY-SIX references....knock yourself out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_concen...n_Chechnya

Shall I take this to mean that you are ok with just outright killing of LGBT people then? Because you never speak up about what happens the hunting down and killing of LGBT people in Muslim countries and only rage about 'Russia'.

This just goes to show how sick you really are. You condemn these camps, rightly so, but then you ignore things far worse. The only thing left for us to assume is that you think that these camps are worse than throwing LGBT people off buildings and hanging them in public squares.

(06-07-2017 08:16 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:27 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The fact that Putin's Russia has Concentration Camps for LGBT persons is so obvious by this point....that I can just go to the Wikipedia for it. At the bottom of the item, there are EIGHTY-SIX references....knock yourself out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_concen...n_Chechnya

Shall I take this to mean that you are ok with just outright killing of LGBT people then? Because you never speak up about what happens the hunting down and killing of LGBT people in Muslim countries and only rage about 'Russia'.

This just goes to show how sick you really are. You condemn these camps, rightly so, but then you ignore things far worse. The only thing left for us to assume is that you think that these camps are worse than throwing LGBT people off buildings and hanging them in public squares.

I'm upset about Muslim extremism. I just see that the BEST way to combat it is to have people in the West stop tolerating it. Our US Dept of State does nothing about it. Your President just went to Saudi Arabia and didn't criticize. He also won't criticize Russia (and has directed the State Department to refuse visas for LGBT asylum seekers from Russia too). His HUD Secretary went to Hungary to endorse a group defending the legality of murders and jailings of persons simply because they are Gay. He has appointed several criminalization advocates to UN boards. He hangs out with criminalization defenders, like Tony Perkins.

By the way, Russia has executed more people for being LGBT than any Muslim country has this year.

The camps are worse than ISIS. Because its being done by a state, which is endorsed by the POTUS.

Thats hilarious right there! A kind cant even tie his own shoe and the leftists government thinks it knows what his "sexual identity" is?!?!

(06-07-2017 07:51 AM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  Would taking the child to a psychiatrist (who is an MD) be considered child abuse?

So long as that MD is compliant with standard Psychological practices such as the APA (or in Canada, the Canadian Psychological Assn) in his or her treatment of the child...no problem.

If the parents send them to a quack, then it would be a problem.