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(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Rutgers is in New Jersey

Syracuse is private

Being in New Jersey or private won't prevent New York state residents from rooting for them.

Just being specific, I am asking which university the majority of New York residents are rooting for. I know some NYC residents only care for and root for Rutgers or UConn because they are close by. But since NYC has only 8.5 million of 20 million NY population, it is safe to say it is a contest between Buffalo and Syracuse. Syracuse has the upper hand now but the day B1G come to knock Buffalo's door, it will be instant switch. Actually I remember there were days that most of my family and friends in NJ only watched Princeton's games on TV and don't care Rutgers at all. But since Rutgers joined B1G, Rutgers has replaced Princeton and becomes New Jersey's flagship institution.

In other words you do not want to know what is the flagship university but rather is the biggest TV draw or who has the most t-shirt fans.

Stony Brook

I thought the answer was the New York Yankees not matter the sport. Also, NY Giants for Jersy.

(05-31-2017 01:35 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  In other words you do not want to know what is the flagship university but rather is the biggest TV draw or who has the most t-shirt fans.

I am saying being the biggest draw makes you the flagship of the state.

It really isn't that hard and schools are not deemed "flagship" because they may draw the most fans nor can a University suddenly grow and become the State's flagship University. Buffalo is New York's flagship.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-colle...niversity/

(05-31-2017 01:17 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Rutgers is in New Jersey

Syracuse is private

Being in New Jersey or private won't prevent New York state residents from rooting for them.

Just being specific, I am asking which university the majority of New York residents are rooting for. I know some NYC residents only care for and root for Rutgers or UConn because they are close by. But since NYC has only 8.5 million of 20 million NY population, it is safe to say it is a contest between Buffalo and Syracuse. Syracuse has the upper hand now but the day B1G come to knock Buffalo's door, it will be instant switch. Actually I remember there were days that most of my family and friends in NJ only watched Princeton's games on TV and don't care Rutgers at all. But since Rutgers joined B1G, Rutgers has replaced Princeton and becomes New Jersey's flagship institution.

That's an entirely different question, and it also depends on the sport, and part of New York. The downstate areas would be a mix of Rutgers/Syracuse/Penn State/Notre Dame and probably UConn. For basketball season, Syracuse/UConn/St. John's/Seton Hall will also draw their share.

Hard to tell what following Buffalo has.

Army has a nationwide draw.

Rutgers would have outdrawn Princeton from the time of the Ivy league getting classified 1AA -- but neither school was televised often. Princeton had a larger fan base for a while, probably through to the 80s.

(05-31-2017 01:17 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Rutgers is in New Jersey

Syracuse is private

Being in New Jersey or private won't prevent New York state residents from rooting for them.

Just being specific, I am asking which university the majority of New York residents are rooting for. I know some NYC residents only care for and root for Rutgers or UConn because they are close by. But since NYC has only 8.5 million of 20 million NY population, it is safe to say it is a contest between Buffalo and Syracuse. Syracuse has the upper hand now but the day B1G come to knock Buffalo's door, it will be instant switch. Actually I remember there were days that most of my family and friends in NJ only watched Princeton's games on TV and don't care Rutgers at all. But since Rutgers joined B1G, Rutgers has replaced Princeton and becomes New Jersey's flagship institution.

New York State residents dont root for Rutgers, although there maybe a few Rutgers fans in NYC . A large pert of New Jersey is a part of NYC's tv market. Rutgers is New Jerseys flagship and everyone knows that. Its been that way for a long time.

Only one thing that you said that you got right is that being private wont stop NYS residents from watching a team whether its private or public. Syracuse is the most popular team in the State of New York, by far, PERIOD. Syracuse is very popular in Rochester, Buffalo and Albany. And most folks dont know that SU is a private, nor do they care.

From Buffalo to Albany and up to Messena NY and the Thousand Islands down to the Southern Tier and Penn border, Syracuse is the most popular team by far. Different areas have other rooting interests in addition to Syracuse, like in Buffalo, you have UB and Canisus etc..., in Albany, you have Sienna and maybe Army. The Southern Tier may have some Penn State fans. NYC is Syracuse, Uconn, Rutgers, Duke, Michigan, Penn State, ND etc... ND may have the largest fan following in NYC followed by Penn state. But none of this has anything to do with which school is the Flagship. For sports, Syracuse is the only school which gets treated like a flagship. Its the only private that I know of in the entire country that the State was willing to give it $200 million for a new sports complex (Dome).

(05-31-2017 01:57 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  It really isn't that hard and schools are not deemed "flagship" because they may draw the most fans nor can a University suddenly grow and become the State's flagship University. Buffalo is New York's flagship.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-colle...niversity/

Buffalo is one of 4. NY takes great pains to keep saying that. Buffalo is the only one with an FBS program and is probably closest to what many people here would visualize as a flagship in a major population state so it makes sense that some websites like this college raptor might ignore the reality of the situation.

(05-31-2017 02:09 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 01:17 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Rutgers is in New Jersey

Syracuse is private

Being in New Jersey or private won't prevent New York state residents from rooting for them.

Just being specific, I am asking which university the majority of New York residents are rooting for. I know some NYC residents only care for and root for Rutgers or UConn because they are close by. But since NYC has only 8.5 million of 20 million NY population, it is safe to say it is a contest between Buffalo and Syracuse. Syracuse has the upper hand now but the day B1G come to knock Buffalo's door, it will be instant switch. Actually I remember there were days that most of my family and friends in NJ only watched Princeton's games on TV and don't care Rutgers at all. But since Rutgers joined B1G, Rutgers has replaced Princeton and becomes New Jersey's flagship institution.

That's an entirely different question, and it also depends on the sport, and part of New York. The downstate areas would be a mix of Rutgers/Syracuse/Penn State/Notre Dame and probably UConn. For basketball season, Syracuse/UConn/St. John's/Seton Hall will also draw their share.

[b]Hard to tell what following Buffalo has[/b].

Army has a nationwide draw.

Rutgers would have outdrawn Princeton from the time of the Ivy league getting classified 1AA -- but neither school was televised often. Princeton had a larger fan base for a while, probably through to the 80s.

Buffalo's following doesnt extend beyond Erie County, where the city of Buffalo is the county seat. And its totally kooky talk when folks think that UB will be getting an invite from the BIG anytime soon, if ever.

(05-31-2017 01:51 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 01:35 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  In other words you do not want to know what is the flagship university but rather is the biggest TV draw or who has the most t-shirt fans.

I am saying being the biggest draw makes you the flagship of the state.

Notre Dame is certainly the biggest overall draw from the state of Indiana and yet I (and I imagine many other people) would not refer to ND as the "flagship" of the state of Indiana. I think using the term "flagship" for this purpose is creating confusion in this whole conversation which is why you are not getting answers to what you really want.

(05-31-2017 02:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 02:09 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 01:17 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Rutgers is in New Jersey

Syracuse is private

Being in New Jersey or private won't prevent New York state residents from rooting for them.

Just being specific, I am asking which university the majority of New York residents are rooting for. I know some NYC residents only care for and root for Rutgers or UConn because they are close by. But since NYC has only 8.5 million of 20 million NY population, it is safe to say it is a contest between Buffalo and Syracuse. Syracuse has the upper hand now but the day B1G come to knock Buffalo's door, it will be instant switch. Actually I remember there were days that most of my family and friends in NJ only watched Princeton's games on TV and don't care Rutgers at all. But since Rutgers joined B1G, Rutgers has replaced Princeton and becomes New Jersey's flagship institution.

That's an entirely different question, and it also depends on the sport, and part of New York. The downstate areas would be a mix of Rutgers/Syracuse/Penn State/Notre Dame and probably UConn. For basketball season, Syracuse/UConn/St. John's/Seton Hall will also draw their share.

[b]Hard to tell what following Buffalo has[/b].

Army has a nationwide draw.

Rutgers would have outdrawn Princeton from the time of the Ivy league getting classified 1AA -- but neither school was televised often. Princeton had a larger fan base for a while, probably through to the 80s.

Buffalo's following doesnt extend beyond Erie County, where the city of Buffalo is the county seat. And its totally kooky talk when folks think that UB will be getting an invite from the BIG anytime soon, if ever.

That's about what I thought the first time I saw someone mention Buffalo getting a B1G invite.

Sorry, ain't happening. When the next round of realignment takes place and if the B1G can't get TX or OK, they sure as heck aren't going to say, "hey, let's get Buffalo instead"..

(05-31-2017 02:10 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 01:17 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 10:48 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Rutgers is in New Jersey

Syracuse is private

Being in New Jersey or private won't prevent New York state residents from rooting for them.

Just being specific, I am asking which university the majority of New York residents are rooting for. I know some NYC residents only care for and root for Rutgers or UConn because they are close by. But since NYC has only 8.5 million of 20 million NY population, it is safe to say it is a contest between Buffalo and Syracuse. Syracuse has the upper hand now but the day B1G come to knock Buffalo's door, it will be instant switch. Actually I remember there were days that most of my family and friends in NJ only watched Princeton's games on TV and don't care Rutgers at all. But since Rutgers joined B1G, Rutgers has replaced Princeton and becomes New Jersey's flagship institution.

New York State residents dont root for Rutgers, although there maybe a few Rutgers fans in NYC . A large pert of New Jersey is a part of NYC's tv market. Rutgers is New Jerseys flagship and everyone knows that. Its been that way for a long time.

Only one thing that you said that you got right is that being private wont stop NYS residents from watching a team whether its private or public. Syracuse is the most popular team in the State of New York, by far, PERIOD. Syracuse is very popular in Rochester, Buffalo and Albany. And most folks dont know that SU is a private, nor do they care.

From Buffalo to Albany and up to Messena NY and the Thousand Islands down to the Southern Tier and Penn border, Syracuse is the most popular team by far. Different areas have other rooting interests in addition to Syracuse, like in Buffalo, you have UB and Canisus etc..., in Albany, you have Sienna and maybe Army. The Southern Tier may have some Penn State fans. NYC is Syracuse, Uconn, Rutgers, Duke, Michigan, Penn State, ND etc... ND may have the largest fan following in NYC followed by Penn state. But none of this has anything to do with which school is the Flagship. For sports, Syracuse is the only school which gets treated like a flagship. Its the only private that I know of in the entire country that the State was willing to give it $200 million for a new sports complex (Dome).

Really? Maybe a few Rutgers grads live in the state of NY? Really?

"Flagship" a stupid concept that's usually forced. Not every state has one, and the concept has no bearing on NCAA athletics in and of itself.

NY doesn't have a flagship. The correct answer is none of the above.

(05-31-2017 03:25 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  NY doesn't have a flagship. The correct answer is none of the above.

Absolutely correct. New York did not follow the Jeffersonian model of education, and there was no premier public school where the elites were expected to receive their training on public service. This is a historic term that isn't used anymore, but New York politics had a "big 5" of private school powerhouses, namely Columbia University, New York University, Cornell University, Syracuse University, and Alfred University. Arguably, Alfred has fallen off in reputation (still a great school), but those others should all be the expected big-name schools. Some are bigger in athletics than others. They ensured that the public schools were focused more on teacher training and agriculture than on becoming major universities. It wasn't until Gov. Rockefeller came along that this changed, and by then the G.I. bill money had mostly boomed and busted. The state never named one of its public schools ahead of any of the others. You could argue that Buffalo has the others beat by some metrics, but Albany, Binghamton, and Stony Brook are considered equivalents in standing. Gov. Spitzer tried to elevate Buffalo and Stony Brook over Albany and Binghamton, but after he left, that fizzled out. Gov. Cuomo has been favoring the new SUNY Polytechnic Institute for more of the state's prominent projects lately. In any case, the term flagship doesn't really apply to any one school in New York.

First of all, New York is really two distinct areas separate from each other. There is New York City and it's suburbs, and then there is upstate New York which is basically everything north of Westchester. In upstate New York, I'm assuming Syracuse would be the most popular school from an athletic perspective. In New York City, pro sports dominate, but as far as college football goes, Notre Dame and Penn St probably have the most T shirt fans. That is due to the fact they are the only two teams that normally have any meaningful success most seasons. However, if in some bizarre, upside down, abnormal world, Rutgers, Syracuse and UCONN were all powerful forces and were scheduled to play each other, Rutgers is the team NYC would adopt as it's own. It's the only one where you could go to a game starting at 1pm and be able to return home in time for dinner. Syracuse would get a smattering of support, due to alums in the area. Most delusional are the UCONN people and the idiotic 6th borough nonsense. Few people in NYC could tell you UCONN is located in a place called Storrs, or where in the hell in the state that is. As far as college basketball goes, allegiances are divided a number of ways, but most popular are the local teams. People in the City don't need to look hundreds of miles away to find someone to root for.

I'll echo a few others...there is no real State Flagship in New York. Binghamton is a harder school to get in than UB but it is smaller and doesn't play football. None of the schools lord over the others. Fun Fact: The private schools carry a lot of prestige and weight in NY. More than any other state save for Massachusetts.

Academically the flagship IMHO is Cornell...but this is a sports board. Syracuse is the only P5 school located in the state. No other local area school comes close to drawing fans in the state in person or on TV. USMA is a special case but is strong in the vicinity of the Academy and has a nationwide following among military vets and families. As Cuseroc stated, UB only has a fan base directly tied to the school...it's fan base is basically Erie County and Erie County is Bills/Sabres territory. If the Buffalo Bills ever left...it would be a different story. Rochester lies 60 miles east of Buffalo and 85 miles west of Syracuse...but Rochester is solidly behind the Cuse. More likely to have a UM, ND or tOSU fan in Rochester than a UB fan.

Syracuse is Upstate NY's team and one of the top draws in NYC (props to ND, Army, some B1G schools, Duke, UNC and UConn in hoops). As a private school Syracuse has a lot of influential alumni in the NYC area...so the school is well represented for employment downstate. NYU and Columbia (as well as all the other Ivies) have powerful school connections and are key to getting in the door for professional employment in NYC and probably all rate above Syracuse in most fields.

So the answer is..it is complicated.

(05-31-2017 11:55 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 11:33 AM)megadrone Wrote:  Rutgers is A flagship.

Just not New York's.

Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey, is the school's official title.

Yup.

The flagship of New York is neither Buffalo nor Stony Brook, rather Columbia, a private school which has a partnershipship with the State of NY for their big Medical school.

Or Cornell, which owns the other half of that med school and just built a NYC campus on Roosevelt Island (via a NYS grant), and has 3 public colleges that are part of the university...

And my point isn't actually that Cornell is NY's flagship. It's that there isn't one - at least not in the sense of some other states.

(05-31-2017 02:13 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(05-31-2017 01:57 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  It really isn't that hard and schools are not deemed "flagship" because they may draw the most fans nor can a University suddenly grow and become the State's flagship University. Buffalo is New York's flagship.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/find-colle...niversity/

Buffalo is one of 4. NY takes great pains to keep saying that. Buffalo is the only one with an FBS program and is probably closest to what many people here would visualize as a flagship in a major population state so it makes sense that some websites like this college raptor might ignore the reality of the situation.

You do realize that being a flagship has nothing to do with sports? The website isn't ignoring anything, they are listing the flagships and the methodology of how a school is deemed the State's flagship. They aren't guessing as to who is the most popular. It is a classification based on criteria. Oldest, prestigious, academics, public institution. That's how it works. Again, it has nothing to do with sports or how many t-shirts a school sells.