(05-20-2017 12:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But you do realize that a public university IS part of the state government.

Of course it's not. You do understand the difference between the state government, itself, and organizations that receive state public funding, I hope.

Maybe it works differently in Minny and ND but in New York, the units within the state university system are fully integrated into state government structure.
...the office of the budget description of their functions includes "operates educational institutions"
...the top officials at each school are appointed and selected by a state agency (the Board of Regents)
...the budgets are approved by the state legislature
...teachers and administrators are employees of the state
...teachers and administrators are in the state employee pension system
...when my company sold products to the state schools, the checks came from the state comptroller's office; not from the school

By any standard, that makes the state university part of state government, no different than the state police, state prisons, tourism department, or any other functional unit. If it were just "funded" then once the funds reached the schools, they would manage everything independent of the state government.

I love Tennessee.

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(05-20-2017 01:46 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:26 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Sometimes you just gotta challenge someone's tightly held beliefs, to their cores, such that they can't even think of something to respond with and have to run away.

Are you planning to start challenging any time soon? I mean, with actual valid points.

That would be work. And when it comes to actual work, she probably has a "sick day" she will use to get out of it.

After 10 years on this site I've finally put my first person on ignore. It takes a special one.

(05-20-2017 11:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  There is nothing inherently wrong with a school canceling the invitation of an invited speaker.

Generally, I don't think a
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public universities.
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It could set a bad precedent.

lol, considering they pay the bills I think the state should do whatever the hell it wants.

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(05-20-2017 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  All I did was ignore it, it's what conservative folks do in college.

Ah, so you were the guys not getting laid.
No wonder you adopted such an angry political viewpoint.

why would he try to get laid at a gay sex expo?

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(05-20-2017 02:45 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  All I did was ignore it, it's what conservative folks do in college.

Ah, so you were the guys not getting laid.
No wonder you adopted such an angry political viewpoint.

why would he try to get laid at a gay sex expo?

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Let him get his barbs in, I have the twit on ignore.

(05-20-2017 01:03 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I do wish when you ignore someone it would just remove their posts entirely from your feed.

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Me too, or at least a block option to do so.

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(05-20-2017 12:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 12:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But you do realize that a public university IS part of the state government.

Of course it's not. You do understand the difference between the state government, itself, and organizations that receive state public funding, I hope.

(05-20-2017 12:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Other than the fact that it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Most certainly is not unconstitutional to cancel the invitation of an invited speaker. What a silly thing to say!

It most certainly is if it is done to limit free speech.

(05-20-2017 01:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  sucker punching someone with a padlock or throwing bottles

Whatever it is you think you're citing, has nothing to do with me or my political views.

(05-20-2017 01:25 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  So, let's recap:
An entity is established by state government.
An entity is governed by a state agency.
An entity is funded primarily from state funds.

I know it's going out on a limb here, but I'm inclined to say that entity is a state institution.

He said it was the state government itself, which is incorrect and silly. I corrected that, and we can move on now.

(05-20-2017 01:56 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  If it were just "funded" then once the funds reached the schools, they would manage everything independent of the state government.

Not sure what to tell you, that is how it works in MN. The U of MN is not part of the Minnesota State Government, which is the governor, the house, and the senate, existing at the state capitol. Full stop.

Everything else that is considered a state agency or is funded by state money, is not actually part of the MSG.


Most likely, that's true in NY too ... and maybe that's even what you meant, but you just worded your statement very poorly.

(05-20-2017 02:44 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  considering they pay the bills I think the state should do whatever the hell it wants.

They help pay some of the bills. And most certainly should not get to dictate anything.

(05-20-2017 06:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It most certainly is if it is done to limit free speech.

OK, then since uninviting an invited speaker isn't limiting anyone's free speech, then sound like we're good there.

(05-21-2017 11:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  sucker punching someone with a padlock or throwing bottles

Whatever it is you think you're citing, has nothing to do with me or my political views.

If it has nothing to do with you or your views, then you would have spoke how about those are disgusting acts of violence. We notice how you didnt do that.

But nows your chance.

(05-21-2017 11:07 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If it has nothing to do with you or your views, then you would have spoke how about those are disgusting acts of violence.

How do you figure that? I'm not anyone's spokesperson.

(05-21-2017 11:17 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 11:07 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If it has nothing to do with you or your views, then you would have spoke how about those are disgusting acts of violence.

How do you figure that? I'm not anyone's spokesperson.

cant do it, can you?

I have no problem calling the act of a liberal professor sucker punching someone with a padlock "hateful violence." I have no problem calling a social justice loon who dresses like a member of isis and throws bottles being guilty of hateful violence. Why cant you?

Any act of senseless violence, regardless of claimed motivation, is wrong.


Just because the violent person claims that he/she performed the act because of such and such motivation, doesn't mean we get to blindly and stupidly associate the act with that organization or cause, without questioning the validity of such an association.

(05-21-2017 11:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-20-2017 01:24 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  sucker punching someone with a padlock or throwing bottles

Whatever it is you think you're citing, has nothing to do with me or my political views.

(05-20-2017 01:25 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  So, let's recap:
An entity is established by state government.
An entity is governed by a state agency.
An entity is funded primarily from state funds.

I know it's going out on a limb here, but I'm inclined to say that entity is a state institution.

He said it was the state government itself, which is incorrect and silly. I corrected that, and we can move on now.

I understand you wanting to move on... ha... Move On (get it?).

But the fact is state universities are exactly that. STATE

State established
State governed
State funded

I read the law....


it said dont bring that stupid cowardly antifa **** to the South.

https://youtu.be/r3iGexhML7A


Bwahahahaha ...get your pole

(05-21-2017 11:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Everything else that is considered a state agency or is funded by state money, is not actually part of the MSG.

So we're back to what the definition of the word "is" is. In this case your understanding of "state government" is wrong. By definition, "government is the means by which state policy is enforced" or "the continuous exercise of authority over and the performance of functions for a political unit." You seem to think that government is limited to the functions directly performed by the governor and legislature, but by the above definitions, you are wrong. So any state agency is part of state government.

(05-21-2017 12:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But the fact is state universities are exactly that. STATE

They're not literally the state government, which is what he incorrectly said, and I corrected him on.

(05-21-2017 01:27 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  You seem to think that government is limited to the functions directly performed by the governor and legislature

That's the definition, and that's what you incorrectly used in your post. I corrected you. Moving on

(05-21-2017 02:46 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  But the fact is state universities are exactly that. STATE

They're not literally the state government, which is what he incorrectly said, and I corrected him on.

(05-21-2017 01:27 PM)LeFlâneur Wrote:  You seem to think that government is limited to the functions directly performed by the governor and legislature

That's the definition, and that's what you incorrectly used in your post. I corrected you. Moving on

You lost

(05-21-2017 02:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You lost

minutes from my life? True

(05-21-2017 02:57 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 02:49 PM)shere khan Wrote:  You lost

minutes from my life? True

careful, any more stress and you're likely to have to use a sick day. Tomorrow is Monday already.