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It made Deadspin;
http://deadspin.com/liberty-was-so-despe...1795243660

This is a win/win and great for the State and FBS football in general. Anytime we can be involved in higher profile contest, the better.

(05-16-2017 10:26 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:21 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Our President's like each other. AD's like each other.

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

There is no reason to make this more than it is.

Liberty needed a team willing to play there on short notice and has some local notoriety in Lynchburg.

We're playing you because were in a far flung league and you're relatively close. If ECU was available or JMU made the jump, we would not be playing.

It's a marriage of convenience.

Seriously doubt this is based in fact. ODU is very likely to end up playing LU in the future both at home and away assuming both stay in BCS. No reason not to.

Assuming JMU was FBS and in a different league than ODU, do you really think we would schedule a home-and-home with Liberty over JMU or ECU? Of course not.

And I know we will get into a lengthy scheduling arrangement with Liberty. But that has more to do with convenience and availability than anything else.

You appear to be stuck on this being an either/or situation and it simply isn't.

ODU has played all of the schools you mentioned (Liberty, JMU, and ECU) in the past and as schedules and agreements allow will continue to do so in the future. To answer your question, just look at upcoming scheduling. ODU already has scheduled games with ECU, yet it went ahead and scheduled a game with Liberty. It's not a question of scheduling one over the other. There are plenty of games to be played over the course of time to make agreements with both.

JMU is currently hurt by the fact that among the three schools you brought up they are the only one that is not either in or currently heading to being a BCS participant. It is probably cheaper to pay for a home game with Norfolk State, or Hampton under those circumstances than to pay JMU since they have much farther to travel. Besides that, Norfolk State and Hampton are more of a regional thing which also creates some interest in those games if ODU chose to schedule an FCS school. Even if JMU moved up to BCS, I would bet that ODU would schedule Liberty ahead of JMU if Liberty paid a higher price for ODU to go there than JMU would. Money talks.

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  We love ODU. Loved the game at your place in 2013. Our Presidents like each other. ADs like each other.

Check out page 152 of this report and see what Dr. James Koch has to say about LU: https://www.stateofthecommonwealth.com/w...111716.pdf

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

I'm a little confused by this.... Dr Koch was a former President... and page 152 is from an anonymous source, which is a little troublesome. Why would someone say, "Liberty is awesome.... but don't quote me? There is nothing there that mentions Liberty's love for ODU or ODU's love for Liberty. BTW I made out with my girlfriend in that little chapel at the top of the hill.

(05-16-2017 10:54 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  It made Deadspin;
http://deadspin.com/liberty-was-so-despe...1795243660

It should at least move up to the level of the National Enquirer before it is posted on the boards. In this case they are covered though since the Virginian Pilot had it in the paper today.

(05-16-2017 01:22 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  You appear to be stuck on this being an either/or situation and it simply isn't.

ODU has played all of the schools you mentioned (Liberty, JMU, and ECU) in the past and as schedules and agreements allow will continue to do so in the future. To answer your question, just look at upcoming scheduling. ODU already has scheduled games with ECU, yet it went ahead and scheduled a game with Liberty. It's not a question of scheduling one over the other. There are plenty of games to be played over the course of time to make agreements with both.

JMU is currently hurt by the fact that among the three schools you brought up they are the only one that is not either in or currently heading to being a BCS participant. It is probably cheaper to pay for a home game with Norfolk State, or Hampton under those circumstances than to pay JMU since they have much farther to travel. Besides that, Norfolk State and Hampton are more of a regional thing which also creates some interest in those games if ODU chose to schedule an FCS school. Even if JMU moved up to BCS, I would bet that ODU would schedule Liberty ahead of JMU if Liberty paid a higher price for ODU to go there than JMU would. Money talks.

It would be an either/or situation in my hypothetical of JMU being an FBS member in a different league. We wouldnt have 3 G5 openings to schedule each season. We only have 2, since we have at least 1 P5 every year and 1 FCS game. But since its a hypothetical due to JMU not having the intestinal fortitude, it's semantics.

If we could (again hypothetical), our ideal schedule would be a mix of UVA, VT, ECU, JMU and an FCS. Again, this requires something that I already noted isnt happening. In the years where we can't schedule those 3 schools (JMU not included), we have an opening for schools like Liberty, Buffalo and Wake.

More importantly, in this hypothetical, it wouldnt be a situation of who pays more because this is a one time deal with Liberty. We won't be scheduling buy games with them in the future. They'll be H/H agreements.

Lastly, I stand by my original post; This is a marriage of convenience.

(05-16-2017 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  We love ODU. Loved the game at your place in 2013. Our Presidents like each other. ADs like each other.

Check out page 152 of this report and see what Dr. James Koch has to say about LU: https://www.stateofthecommonwealth.com/w...111716.pdf

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

How do you know this? Ian McCaw is a disgrace of a man. Hard to believe anyone likes him.

Read:

https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...b.amp.html

(05-16-2017 07:18 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  We love ODU. Loved the game at your place in 2013. Our Presidents like each other. ADs like each other.

Check out page 152 of this report and see what Dr. James Koch has to say about LU: https://www.stateofthecommonwealth.com/w...111716.pdf

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

How do you know this? Ian McCaw is a disgrace of a man. Hard to believe anyone likes him.

Read:

https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...b.amp.html

Am I missing something? McCaw says he admires Wood and Bobby. But there wasn't a single quote from an ODU employee in that article to show the feeling is mutual.

(05-16-2017 07:43 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 07:18 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  We love ODU. Loved the game at your place in 2013. Our Presidents like each other. ADs like each other.

Check out page 152 of this report and see what Dr. James Koch has to say about LU: https://www.stateofthecommonwealth.com/w...111716.pdf

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

How do you know this? Ian McCaw is a disgrace of a man. Hard to believe anyone likes him.

Read:

https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...b.amp.html

Am I missing something? McCaw says he admires Wood and Bobby. But there wasn't a single quote from an ODU employee in that article to show the feeling is mutual.

""ODU athletic director Wood Selig said he was surprised and pleased to hear of the NCAA waiver. ODU beat Liberty in 2013, and at the time, expressed a willingness to schedule the Flames if they moved up.

However, ODU’s football schedules are full through 2020.

“I’m happy for Liberty,” Selig said. “I’m happy for any university that accomplishes the goals that they established for their institution. This has been a longstanding desire for Liberty.”""

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/e...e91eb.html

You guys should read Harry more often - writes about Liberty and ODU in the same article quite often. We love reading him over here in the 'Burg. There are more. Selling has spoken highly of us many times. All in Harry's articles.

(05-16-2017 07:43 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 07:18 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  We love ODU. Loved the game at your place in 2013. Our Presidents like each other. ADs like each other.

Check out page 152 of this report and see what Dr. James Koch has to say about LU: https://www.stateofthecommonwealth.com/w...111716.pdf

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

How do you know this? Ian McCaw is a disgrace of a man. Hard to believe anyone likes him.

Read:

https://www.google.com/amp/pilotonline.c...b.amp.html

Am I missing something? McCaw says he admires Wood and Bobby. But there wasn't a single quote from an ODU employee in that article to show the feeling is mutual.

""""Many at ODU would love to see James Madison or Liberty University replace UAB. Liberty has announced it wants to move up to the Football Bowl Subdivision. JMU has expressed an interest in moving up."""

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...aeff2.html

Many more...I could waste time finding them or you could just trust me. I've read them all. ODU wants this too.

So you bring up a politically correct quote from a different article and state our desire to add another regional school to our far flung league from another article? It still doesnt answer the original question in regard to McCaw.

As I stated earlier in the thread, I am not enthusiastic about playing Liberty in a one game road deal. However $1.3M is more than satisfactory for a payout IMO. Kudos to all involved on ODU's side. I think Liberty is getting fleeced in this one.

(05-16-2017 10:33 PM)Jackie Moon Wrote:  As I stated earlier in the thread, I am not enthusiastic about playing Liberty in a one game road deal. However $1.3M is more than satisfactory for a payout IMO. Kudos to all involved on ODU's side. I think Liberty is getting fleeced in this one.

Article said that most of that cost is being covered by their game against Auburn.

Did ODU have to pay to drop the game to make room? If so, how much?

They just moved games around. I think it cost them $20,000.

(05-16-2017 01:22 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:26 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:21 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 09:44 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Our President's like each other. AD's like each other.

Our newfound ties run much deeper than football - behind the scenes we've become friends.

There is no reason to make this more than it is.

Liberty needed a team willing to play there on short notice and has some local notoriety in Lynchburg.

We're playing you because were in a far flung league and you're relatively close. If ECU was available or JMU made the jump, we would not be playing.

It's a marriage of convenience.

Seriously doubt this is based in fact. ODU is very likely to end up playing LU in the future both at home and away assuming both stay in BCS. No reason not to.

Assuming JMU was FBS and in a different league than ODU, do you really think we would schedule a home-and-home with Liberty over JMU or ECU? Of course not.

And I know we will get into a lengthy scheduling arrangement with Liberty. But that has more to do with convenience and availability than anything else.

You appear to be stuck on this being an either/or situation and it simply isn't.

ODU has played all of the schools you mentioned (Liberty, JMU, and ECU) in the past and as schedules and agreements allow will continue to do so in the future. To answer your question, just look at upcoming scheduling. ODU already has scheduled games with ECU, yet it went ahead and scheduled a game with Liberty. It's not a question of scheduling one over the other. There are plenty of games to be played over the course of time to make agreements with both.

JMU is currently hurt by the fact that among the three schools you brought up they are the only one that is not either in or currently heading to being a BCS participant. It is probably cheaper to pay for a home game with Norfolk State, or Hampton under those circumstances than to pay JMU since they have much farther to travel. Besides that, Norfolk State and Hampton are more of a regional thing which also creates some interest in those games if ODU chose to schedule an FCS school. Even if JMU moved up to BCS, I would bet that ODU would schedule Liberty ahead of JMU if Liberty paid a higher price for ODU to go there than JMU would. Money talks.

^Basically.

Liberty has also signed future home games with Wake Forest, Army, Virginia and BYU, and will play Ole Miss, Rutgers and Auburn on the road. They been busy to put that together in 3 months. They are a player in the region and have some games I would like to see us get on the schedule.

I have zero problem with this game at all, especially if it fills the coffers a little for JJ's replacement next year.

Extinguish the flame!

It just occurred to me that Tony Mercurio must be livid at seeing JMU getting left behind by everyone. Even Liberty has passed them now.

(05-16-2017 10:35 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(05-16-2017 10:31 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Ian McCaw is a disgrace of a man. Hard to believe anyone likes him.

He should be in jail.

Glad to see that you guys are more familiar with his culpability in Baylor's scandals than the investigators. Show me one piece of evidence that he had anything to do with what occurred in the football program's ghastly actions. As someone who lives in Texas and used to cover the Baylor program, a head football coach has more power than an AD. None of the allegations state that McCaw had direct knowledge of the facts and covered it up. The more that comes out from the Title IX lawsuits the more this will become clear.

I totally get the furor over what happened at Baylor. It was reprehensible. But McCaw is not the person you think he is.

(05-17-2017 12:36 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  None of the allegations state that McCaw had direct knowledge of the facts and covered it up.

The allegations made today look pretty bad;
http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...ix-lawsuit

Quote:According to a legal filing by members of the Baylor board of regents in response to a lawsuit filed earlier this year, when the woman told Barnes what happened in April 2013, he reported it to Briles and McCaw. It states that when Barnes showed Briles the paper with the players' names on it, he studied the names and said, "Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

Neither one of them reported it to judicial affairs either, the regents said. According to their report, McCaw told Barnes that it was up to the woman to take action and if she didn't press charges, there was nothing else they could do. The woman's lawsuit states that information was "not provided to plaintiff or her parents." According to the regents' filing, McCaw also suggested Barnes ask the woman to call Baylor's general counsel's office. "When the coach relayed the number to the student-athlete and her mother, they declined to make the call," it states. Although not addressed in the lawsuit, the woman's attorney told ESPN that he did not believe that number was ever provided.